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BTC doesn't have to fight gold, does it?
In fact, BTC is made to defeat fiat. Gold is something different. You can have both BTC and gold. why force yourself to choose one over another?
Gold is good. It made stunning jewelry.
BTC is good. It pays for my coffee.

this is the right sentence, why should you be hostile to gold, while gold is a form of jewelry...

I like gold (because it is to beautify the appearance of women at parties & gold value is stable and easy to sell in an emergency), I also like Bitcoin (as my investment). In long-term investment, both also have their respective advantages.
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Gold is also an asset, a more stable asset than bitcoin.
Bitcoin is an investment and can also be used as a currency because the purpose of the satoshi that created bitcoin is to turn it into currency.
But there's really no need to compare them, both are great for investing and storing assets.
Bitcoin cannot be used as jewelry and gold cannot provide greater returns than bitcoin. Each has its own use, cannot be put on the scale to compare.
Do we really want a stable asset though? I mean just because you could earn like a few percent from it, meanwhile bitcoin is making that much daily. I personally prefer bitcoin a lot more, and it's cool that it's volatile because it means even though there are big falls, that means there are big ups as well which earns us a good chunk of profit.

I do not know what to say to people who are not sure about what bitcoin will help them with when they have other "options" to invest as assets. If you think other options are good, then go ahead and do that and you will see that it is not really as good of a thing as you think it would be, it's actually quite bad compared to bitcoin.
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There are two indicators related to gold to watch out for. The first indicator is production and the second is gold reserves.

Gold is quite steady in its production, takes a decade to establish a gold mine.   They are trying to setup the largest gold mine in Europe and its taken so many years including locals setting fire to equipment to protest the idea of capitalism.   Still no gold is being taken out just money put in, so its not easy but world production has/will rise perhaps double in the end.

They will liquidate the Fort Knox gold reserves one day I think.   Before its all over I think it happens such is the outstanding liabilities it would be required as payment; overall trend is higher reserves vs a weaker dollar.  
  There has been Gold net buying by central banks for over a decade.   China which had previously zero gold held is both the largest buyer of gold and the largest producing nation, actual total reserves are unclear.  I do think also some countries will throw out their gold, Venezuela was trying to raid the central bank to sell it; they were stopped by legal issues as to ownership since the military took over the country and now drug run for revenues their gold remains held awaiting settlement, previously some sold by Chávez.
  The net effect is towards more gold held toward global trade and value exchange.   I think BTC and a couple other standards such as competing FIAT or commodity standards will also see growth in usage vs less Dollar usage and eventual realization of lost value.    Inflation is expansion of a monetary base, if we do respect that measure the value lost is gigantic.  The counter argument is higher GDP, expanding usage but USD was already the global reserve currency the best guess is obviously this effect is in decline and with good reason from overt bias and losses such as QE spending with failure to repay.
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Meanwhile, gold production has increased every year. Unlike Bitcoin, which is limited to 21 million and this amount can no longer be added by anyone and will be more valuable when the amount runs out.
But the unique thing is that the price of gold does not decrease too much every year and so does the increase every year, so some people say that gold tends to have a stable price and little profit if used for investment. And in fact it is very different from Bitcoin, although it does not have a stable price in the market, but many people have benefited by investing and trading through Bitcoin on several exchanges.
In simple, gold is risk free investment whereas bitcoin is completely against that. Gold being set as a standard on different needs makes it to be worth high against bitcoin. In future same as we've got gold as standard we'll see bitcoin as the reference asset. The metal has got availability and that doesn't mean it is limited. Upon exploration people keeps finding location with gold, but it isn't the same with bitcoin.
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Meanwhile, gold production has increased every year. Unlike Bitcoin, which is limited to 21 million and this amount can no longer be added by anyone and will be more valuable when the amount runs out.
But the unique thing is that the price of gold does not decrease too much every year and so does the increase every year, so some people say that gold tends to have a stable price and little profit if used for investment. And in fact it is very different from Bitcoin, although it does not have a stable price in the market, but many people have benefited by investing and trading through Bitcoin on several exchanges.
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Why need to compare bitcoin to gold? if you have something to invest with this better pick two since for sure both of this assets is good to have and they have different usage according to what people's intention. I guess people need to stop comparison between two assets because we cannot get accurate answer with this since every people who support both of those assets have a different opinion and everyone is right according to what they believe on that discussion made.
You spoke my mind, if one is looking for something to invest in then picking both Gold and Bitcoin for investment is the best option, Gold is more stable in price than Bitcoin but then Bitcoin has higher chances of giving the investment quick profits because of the volatile nature of Bitcoin market. Gold is old and Gold has been in existence for almost hundreds of decades like Bitcoin which is just a decade old. Since investment is more secured through diversification buying both assets will be a good investment method so there is no need to compare both of them since they can operate together without interference.
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BTC doesn't have to fight gold, does it?
BTC is made to defeat fiat. Gold is something different. You can have both BTC and gold. why force yourself to choose one over another?
Gold is good. It made stunning jewelry.
BTC is good. It pays for my coffee.

Exactly and very simple explanation of the two assets, the analogy is simple.
Gold= jewelry.
Bitcoin= currency+asset.
And that is why just in the few years of Bitcoin's existence, bitcoin has surpassed gold in market volume and price, and Gold which has been around for several decades may have not made so much market impact as Bitcoin and that is because Bitcoin has a dual purpose.
1 bitcoin is an asset.
2 Bitcoin is a currency.
So these factors made Bitcoin different from gold, bitcoin, and gold can co-exist in the same market environment since their not serve the same purpose. Those who are in Bitcoin because of its value and volatile nature take bitcoin as an asset and they hold Bitcoin as an investment just like Gold is an investment also, but while gold is used for the production of jewelry and other precious materials, Bitcoin, on the other hand, is used as a currency.

Gold is also an asset, a more stable asset than bitcoin.
Bitcoin is an investment and can also be used as a currency because the purpose of the satoshi that created bitcoin is to turn it into currency.
But there's really no need to compare them, both are great for investing and storing assets.
Bitcoin cannot be used as jewelry and gold cannot provide greater returns than bitcoin. Each has its own use, cannot be put on the scale to compare.
legendary
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Why need to compare bitcoin to gold? if you have something to invest with this better pick two since for sure both of this assets is good to have and they have different usage according to what people's intention. I guess people need to stop comparison between two assets because we cannot get accurate answer with this since every people who support both of those assets have different opinion and everyone is right according to what they believe on that discussions made.
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BTC doesn't have to fight gold, does it?
BTC is made to defeat fiat. Gold is something different. You can have both BTC and gold. why force yourself to choose one over another?
Gold is good. It made stunning jewelry.
BTC is good. It pays for my coffee.

Exactly and very simple explanation of the two assets, the analogy is simple.
Gold= jewelry.
Bitcoin= currency+asset.
And that is why just in the few years of Bitcoin's existence, bitcoin has surpassed gold in market volume and price, and Gold which has been around for several decades may have not made so much market impact as Bitcoin and that is because Bitcoin has a dual purpose.
1 bitcoin is an asset.
2 Bitcoin is a currency.
So these factors made Bitcoin different from gold, bitcoin, and gold can co-exist in the same market environment since their not serve the same purpose. Those who are in Bitcoin because of its value and volatile nature take bitcoin as an asset and they hold Bitcoin as an investment just like Gold is an investment also, but while gold is used for the production of jewelry and other precious materials, Bitcoin, on the other hand, is used as a currency.
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What we have to understand is the number or stock of bitcoin is locked or fixed and cannot be added, if the number of users continues to increase it will make demand continue to increase and the price will skyrocket, many people always compare with gold, but what makes me curious is whether bitcoin is whether bitcoin whether bitcoin Can you last 50 years? While gold was used and recognized thousands of years ago.
If we think about the sustainability of gold then undoubtedly gold will be ahead of Bitcoin because gold is recognized as a valuable asset since ancient times. If we judge it based on its price or next generation adoption then Bitcoin is the best what many have repeatedly emphasized is the limited supply of Bitcoin, which has no limitation in the case of Gold. I think bitcoin is just the beginning as the population is gradually increasing. As the demand gradually increasing the importance of bitcoin will also increase from all aspects.
These two are not comparable because this is depending in which who we ask. of course if we will question this for cryptonians then Bitcoin will be the one to choose but for those who does not believe in Bitcoin? then it is Gold .
yes it is from ancient time but remember that we are in computer age now in which everything is depending in technology and almost the physical one are not that trustworthy , maybe not now but sooner in the future.
Of course yes, because gold has a source of creation but bitcoin does not, and as we all know bitcoin has a limited supply for worldwide use not today but forever.
as long as bitcoin continues to exist gradually everyone will get to know bitcoin and understand the difference between bitcoin and gold that they are ultimately interested in getting involved.
the bitcoin = gold narrative is an easy crutch because bitcoin shares many characteristics with gold. It's rare, portable, valuable, shareable, doesn't degrade over time, and has value despite having no cash flow.
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What we have to understand is the number or stock of bitcoin is locked or fixed and cannot be added, if the number of users continues to increase it will make demand continue to increase and the price will skyrocket, many people always compare with gold, but what makes me curious is whether bitcoin is whether bitcoin whether bitcoin Can you last 50 years? While gold was used and recognized thousands of years ago.
If we think about the sustainability of gold then undoubtedly gold will be ahead of Bitcoin because gold is recognized as a valuable asset since ancient times. If we judge it based on its price or next generation adoption then Bitcoin is the best what many have repeatedly emphasized is the limited supply of Bitcoin, which has no limitation in the case of Gold. I think bitcoin is just the beginning as the population is gradually increasing. As the demand gradually increasing the importance of bitcoin will also increase from all aspects.
These two are not comparable because this is depending in which who we ask. of course if we will question this for cryptonians then Bitcoin will be the one to choose but for those who does not believe in Bitcoin? then it is Gold .
yes it is from ancient time but remember that we are in computer age now in which everything is depending in technology and almost the physical one are not that trustworthy , maybe not now but sooner in the future.
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Gold is produced from natural products and it is limitless. While Bitcoin is limited to only 21 million worldwide. Many sources say that currently the volume of Bitcoin is starting to dwindle from that amount because it has been mined and it is predicted that there are currently around 2.1 million left and you can check the accuracy of the data yourself in various sources.

As far as I know, currently the number of BTC circulating is around 18 million if I'm not mistaken and the possibility of this 18 million number will continue to grow considering that buying and selling activities are very active on various available exchanges.
Of course Bitcoin will become scarce someday when the amount of 21 Million has been exhausted.
with a never-changing amount of bitcoin from the beginning it was created and continues to decrease with the number of users for several reasons such as mining, lost or deposited wallets in the wallet due to small amounts and other reasons, it is clear that this is very different from gold because we don't know how much gold is on this earth but with continuous mining it is also possible that gold will run out and it will take several centuries to return so that fossils turn back into gold.
in fact bitcoin will run out faster or extinct than gold as bitcoin is used more and more
There are two indicators related to gold to watch out for. The first indicator is production and the second is gold reserves.
According to data from the USGS, gold production from 2016 to 2020 is around 3,200 tons, as shown in the graph below.



Meanwhile, gold production has increased every year. Unlike Bitcoin, which is limited to 21 million and this amount can no longer be added by anyone and will be more valuable when the amount runs out.
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Of course Bitcoin is scarcer than gold because Bitcoin has a fixed supply. There can only be 21 million Bitcoin ever. That won't change. As to gold, not only has humanity been mining gold for thousands of years already, it is still mining until today. And they always come up with additional supply. And not only that, there is also reason to believe that there is indeed abundant gold outside the earth that humans might be able to source in the years to come.
I think the supply of bitcoins on the exchanges now exceeds 21,000,000, especially when you consider the number of different surrogates in the form of wrapped bitcoins in other blockchains. It is the same situation with gold, which is very much only on paper, but absent in reality. When the bankers get involved, the situation is the same with any asset.
If you are talking about all the wrapped ones, maybe? At the end of the day, there are layers upon layers which makes it higher, but the reality is that if you have bitcoin and you can withdraw it and hold it yourself, then it's fine and it's yours and there is only 21 million of that, the original real bitcoin. Not like everyone will withdraw at the same time, but the same goes for banks as well.

Wrapped Bitcoins may not be real Bitcoins but they are backed by real Bitcoins. In every WBTC in existence, there is a real BTC behind it. So this will not make the limited supply of Bitcoin exceed 21,000,000. Of course I am assuming that there isn't any cheating behind this. It seems there isn't when it comes to WBTC. This is not like the Bitcoins traded inside centralized exchanges that may not be representing real Bitcoins.

In case every owner of WBTC converts into real BTC, they can all do it. But in case every Bitcoin owner in centralized exchanges makes a withdrawal, these centralized exchanges may fall short.
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Its not the supply that is questionable so much as the demand growth and utility to wider populations.  If BTC is used and useful then its without doubt we have a rising price because supply doesn't expand.  My view of BTC is as similar to commodities and most commodities will expand production when in demand, this explains why price accelerates so fast upwards in BTC from this unusual constriction vs potentially global demand.
Correct, when the price of gold skyrockets since there is a lot of demand for it mining companies can now try to exploit mines that in the past were not profitable, this expands the supply and it helps to meet the demand, bitcoin on the other hand does not work this way, if the demand increases it does not matter if more miners try to mine bitcoin, on average they are still going to mine the same amount of bitcoin once the difficulty increases, this makes bitcoin a very special asset and in part it explains its high value.
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Its not the supply that is questionable so much as the demand growth and utility to wider populations.  If BTC is used and useful then its without doubt we have a rising price because supply doesn't expand.  My view of BTC is as similar to commodities and most commodities will expand production when in demand, this explains why price accelerates so fast upwards .
Bitcoin is a commodity and investing in cryptocurrency and especially bitcoin it seems as asset. So i will totally agree with you, because if bitcoin get a new revolution when the demand is of a higher potential. So what makes bitcoin marketcap to have another structure is when the demand is equivalent with the supply. So from my perspective i think, this is one of the factors that gives rise for Bitcoin productive.
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Gold is produced from natural products and it is limitless. While Bitcoin is limited to only 21 million worldwide. Many sources say that currently the volume of Bitcoin is starting to dwindle from that amount because it has been mined and it is predicted that there are currently around 2.1 million left and you can check the accuracy of the data yourself in various sources.

As far as I know, currently the number of BTC circulating is around 18 million if I'm not mistaken and the possibility of this 18 million number will continue to grow considering that buying and selling activities are very active on various available exchanges.
Of course Bitcoin will become scarce someday when the amount of 21 Million has been exhausted.
with a never-changing amount of bitcoin from the beginning it was created and continues to decrease with the number of users for several reasons such as mining, lost or deposited wallets in the wallet due to small amounts and other reasons, it is clear that this is very different from gold because we don't know how much gold is on this earth but with continuous mining it is also possible that gold will run out and it will take several centuries to return so that fossils turn back into gold.
in fact bitcoin will run out faster or extinct than gold as bitcoin is used more and more
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Its not the supply that is questionable so much as the demand growth and utility to wider populations.  If BTC is used and useful then its without doubt we have a rising price because supply doesn't expand.  My view of BTC is as similar to commodities and most commodities will expand production when in demand, this explains why price accelerates so fast upwards in BTC from this unusual constriction vs potentially global demand.
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In the month of June and July, lots of FUD spread due to the bear market and how the price of Bitcoin was affected. Those who still believed that Bitcoin can never be devalued nor crash bought Bitcoin when price dropped to $17k and if they had sold on July 30 2022 with Bitcoin opening price of $24,581, they would still have made have made $7k+.
  In cryptocurrency, Bear and Bull market will always come, but some people are only concern about the bull market but always cause FUD when bear market begin. 
  Bitcoin price On June 10 2021 was $36k+, same day an expert of crypto-asset said Bitcoin could surge to $1 million in 6 years as it becomes more scarce than gold (https://www.kitco.com/news/2021-06-10/Bitcoin-to-surge-to-1-million-in-6-years-as-it-becomes-more-scarce-than-gold-says-crypto-asset-expert.html#:~:text=Interviews-,Bitcoin%20could%20surge%20to%20%241%20million%20in%206%20years%20as,gold%2C%20says%20crypto%2Dasset%20expert ). Five months after then, Bitcoin grew over $68k (https://time.com/nextadvisor/investing/cryptocurrency/bitcoin-price-history/amp/). That has given me the reason to see that Bitcoin will be as scarce as Gold in years to come.
Gold is produced from natural products and it is limitless. While Bitcoin is limited to only 21 million worldwide. Many sources say that currently the volume of Bitcoin is starting to dwindle from that amount because it has been mined and it is predicted that there are currently around 2.1 million left and you can check the accuracy of the data yourself in various sources.

As far as I know, currently the number of BTC circulating is around 18 million if I'm not mistaken and the possibility of this 18 million number will continue to grow considering that buying and selling activities are very active on various available exchanges.
Of course Bitcoin will become scarce someday when the amount of 21 Million has been exhausted.
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Of course Bitcoin is scarcer than gold because Bitcoin has a fixed supply. There can only be 21 million Bitcoin ever. That won't change. As to gold, not only has humanity been mining gold for thousands of years already, it is still mining until today. And they always come up with additional supply. And not only that, there is also reason to believe that there is indeed abundant gold outside the earth that humans might be able to source in the years to come.
I think the supply of bitcoins on the exchanges now exceeds 21,000,000, especially when you consider the number of different surrogates in the form of wrapped bitcoins in other blockchains. It is the same situation with gold, which is very much only on paper, but absent in reality. When the bankers get involved, the situation is the same with any asset.
If you are talking about all the wrapped ones, maybe? At the end of the day, there are layers upon layers which makes it higher, but the reality is that if you have bitcoin and you can withdraw it and hold it yourself, then it's fine and it's yours and there is only 21 million of that, the original real bitcoin. Not like everyone will withdraw at the same time, but the same goes for banks as well.

If everyone decided to withdraw their money from all banks all over the world, first of all banking system will bankrupt and everything will be terrible, but even before that, people wouldn't be able to withdraw their money eventually and that’s always a big trouble for sure.
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What we have to understand is the number or stock of bitcoin is locked or fixed and cannot be added, if the number of users continues to increase it will make demand continue to increase and the price will skyrocket, many people always compare with gold, but what makes me curious is whether bitcoin is whether bitcoin whether bitcoin Can you last 50 years? While gold was used and recognized thousands of years ago.
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