Topic: I don't get it?! (Read 1005 times)

Yes, probably.  But some people's theories are more that Bitcoin will be a settlement layer because of the value given by its (near) immutability.  Altcoins can revolve around Bitcoin for trading and long-term funds can be stored in Bitcoin when people are using altcoins and it's safer that way, especially considering that ETH, for example, might change its supply system in the long term.

Therefore its value is likely to rise but it's at a crossroads right now for why that'll happen: being e-cash and an asset, or just an asset.

Its a sabotage attempt honestly but so far it's all in thin air, so far nothing has happened and I don't think it will happen. What's worrying you and many other newbies is why is transactions getting stuck so you could just up the prices and it will sail through. As far other problems, I would not really read to much into it, the price is strong, the fundamentals looks strong, so I would just buy on dips and wait before something concrete happens so far nothing has happened.

are you trolling?! i am going to assume not so i'll answer.

maybe you are only using bitcoin to transfer millions but [newsflash] there are a lot of us who use bitcoin for a lot of other reasons, many of them small transactions.
and fees have not been 20-30 cents for a very long time. at the peak of spam attack fees are about $1 for a small transaction. so lets say i wanted to buy a VPN for a month and pay $4-$10 that $1 fee is not acceptable (read below why it is not)

we all know they are people but we also know very well that they are being paid $20,000 each block they mine. and this is why it is not acceptable.
fees are there for two reason:
1. compensate miners in far away future when block reward is small.
2. prevent someone from flooding the network with spam. and this one is hurting us.

people being mad is not just about them paying higher fee, it is about paying higher fee then have their transaction stuck, they paying higher fee and still being stuck, then raise it again next day and still get stuck.

people who have been using bitcoin for some time know this, but new members are always going to get stuck.

we are a long way from going mainstream. and this has nothing to do with that. the adoption has grown and there are more transactions but not 100,000 unconfirmed ones. these are spam attack.

Where the fuck is that 20-30 cents being paid? The fees are going crazy nowadays that one would pay $1 as fees for a $1 transaction to be confirmed in a few minutes, 100% as fees is completely absurd and unacceptable.
Besides, I don't think Satoshi made Bitcoin to transfer 'millions' of dollars daily, but I am not sure if he wanted it for the day-to-day transactions either. All he wanted was to eliminate banks with their trust (middleman) system. Allowing businesses to be performed peer-to-peer without any outside intervention.

So as I see we might never really get a solution for it and most likely Segwit is never going to happen at all?! 
What will happen is some kind of "fixing with ducttape"

It has taken an extremely long time already.  The problem is that Bitcoin is quite hard to change as no one is willing to compromise or agree on a solution.  

There's also a solution called the Lightning Network, which would use a partially offchain system to try and increase the capacity.  They believe that it would be best with SegWit, but in theory it's also possible without either consensus being reached.

No schedule. Everything is happening randomly at random times. BU can have >%80 support in a blink of an eye and HF can happen in a flash.

Same goes for segwit but as the other dude above said, we need >95% for segwit and because of that it's is (probably) never going to happen and BU's main supporter is Bitmain which happens to be the manufacturer of Antminers.  

thanks!

And is there some kind of schedule we are following?  Or could it easily take a year until the decision is taken?

yeah, Litecoin stayed at a fixed (stable) price around $4 for a very long time. i am not denying the problems this coin have but staying at a fixed price is not a small thing.


well they just copied code from Bitcoin SegWit, and that is what they have always been doing
and yes, as far as i can see it is doing the same thing on Litecoin as it is supposed to do on Bitcoin.

we are share some noun 's define in our QQ group,and we study each other,maybe you could invite some old player to teach you something.
good luck to you

Miner signalling support can be found here:

https://coin.dance/blocks

Bigger blocks hard fork signalling = Bitcoin Unlimited + 8MB proposals.

I doubt anyone would attempt any type of fork with a simple 51% majority. It would be a complete unpredictable and economically damaging clusterfuck.

Listening node support can be found here:

https://coin.dance/nodes

So actually Litecoin incoporated the tech from the start on? And Segwit is just announcing to do the same with btc?

for litecoin it is not exactly a hype and it is not a fixer-of-all-problems-making-litecoin-replace-bitcoin kind of deal.
it is still a very good improvement on an old and good altcoin called Litecoin. and litecoin is being used by many people, even as a currency, but all of it is in a very small scale (bigger than most altcoins but very much smaller than bitcoin).
so it is not just a "show of concept". but yeah we can see how SegWit and eventually lightning network are going to work on a real cryptocurrency and in real action.

Ok perfect now I got all of this!
Last question where can I see if the simple majority supports HF of BTC or not?

Greetings!

You got that right. LTC had any problems before segwit anyway. So it is just a temporary hype. LTC stayed a 4$ coin without any trading volume for decades and after segwit announced it went to the moon. When people get bored of it, it will go back to where it was before.

If segwit ever gets to bitcoin, imagine the possible hype. freehint: 10k$

HF can happen as soos as BU supporting miners get the majority of hashpower. (>%50) No need any further consensus for it to happen.
Segwit needs much more support to get activated. (I can't remember the exact number but its around %90 i guess)

Mindrust, Meauh and Nagadota

Thank you for your amazing answer  !
Now I get it!

But that means actually LTC is just a "show of concept" which has basically nothing to do with the final outcome of BTC?
Like a demonstrator of Segwits technique?

And if the hard fork would happen but there wouldn't be a consense, is it likely that we would see to different BTCs in the end of the process like with ETH? Or is it unlikely with BTC?

Thank you!

Okay, here we go.

Bitcoin Core is the current development team, started by Satoshi.  Currently, the network can supposedly handle about 7 transactions per second, but in practice it's more like half of that or a bit more.  Currently, the demand for transactions exceeds the network's capacity to handle them so there needs to be a solution.

You could look at a "fork" like a coin having two potential paths.  In the case of a "soft fork", the change is backwards compatible, whereas in the case of a "hard fork" it's not.  As Coindesk puts a hard fork:


In both cases, there needs to be a consensus from miners.  For either type of fork to happen, a significant majority of the hashrate (computing power directed to the network), has to support the change.

Bitcoin Core has suggested their own solution to the problem called SegWit.  In ideal circumstances it would double the transaction capacity without increasing the amount of data that users of full nodes need to download at a quicker rate.  This proposal is a soft fork.

A different development team, Bitcoin Unlimited, has proposed a hard fork which makes the transaction capacity more flexible, but in their case whenever the transaction capacity increases, so will the rate at which the blockchain grows because they increase the block size (the amount of data that fits into each collection of transactions).

Currently neither solution has the consensus needed but Litecoin currently has a very high consensus for SegWit and it's likely for SegWit to be implemented soon on there.  As it will make Litecoin better than Bitcoin in transaction capacity (it already is to some extent) some people believe that the price will rise.  However, this would only be a speculative bubble as Litecoin processes nowhere near the amount of transactions that it can yet.  We'll see if the price rise remains.

Problem ? Where ?





























NOW. PRESENT.

The problem basically is, bitcoin's price keeps rising and fees are rising along with it. So small transactions started to take more fees than it used to be. That's problem number #1

Second problem is, when so many people make bitcoin transfers,  the confirmation times for the transactions are taking longer than also it used to be.

There are possible solutions luckily;  

#1: Segwit network upgrade.
#2: Bitcoin Unlimited HardFork.

To activate either of these solutions, there should be a consensus. But since we are all greedy motherfuckers, there won't be one.

So unluckily, there isn't a solution.  

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LTC activated (or about to activate, i missed this) Segwit and while it had no problems with the confirmation times/delays/fees already, it shows us an example about the fundamentals of Segwit. So that's important.

Thank you for the quick reply!!!! Very informative!

But about the integration of the LTC, what is the idea behind it?