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sr. member
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July 25, 2010, 01:41:39 PM
#15
The calculator is useful, but some people misunderstand how to apply the figures.

Suppose you're running 1000 kilo hash per second. The calculator says: 50% chance in 6 days, average is 9 days, 95% chance in 27 days.

Now if you run for 9 days and haven't generated anything, you might think you only have 18 more days to go until you are up to 95% chance (based on 27 days minus the 9 days you've already spent).

Uh uh, it doesn't work that way.

After you have spent some time generating hashes without gaining any coins, that time is lost and doesn't affect the future. So if you haven't generated any coins after 9 days, on average you need to wait another 9 days to generate coins, and you need to wait another 27 days from that point until you have 95% chance of having generated coins.

For the record I'm on 2000 kHash/s and have generated 50 coins in 9 days.
I wrote that calculator.

My understanding was always that (based on those numbers) in any 27 day period, you have a 95% chance of generating one or more blocks. In any 6 day period, you have a 50% chance of generating one or more blocks. I might have screwed up the math somewhere - I don't know stats that well. The formulae came from a friend of mine who read the design paper. Apparently it has some code for calculating block generation.
P(p,t)=1-e^(-pt)
Where p is the probability that you will win in one second: p=khps*1000*target/2^256, and t is the number of seconds.

So I solved for t:
t = -ln(1-P)/p

If anyone has a better understanding of the math and sees a mistake, let me know!

I'm not sure about the math, but from my anecdotal experience with the calculator and my setup, bitcoins are generated a little bit faster than it estimates, but that may be because although I'd don't have a totally sick setup, I do have a decent setup which I try to keep well maintained to generate as many bitcoins as possible. Also, I have a theory that the amount of hashes to blocks generated isn't a straight line, but is rather slightly curved with the people with faster machines getting a slightly better rate of blocks per hash than people with slower machines. Kinda like the people who have worked out the probability to small lotteries and buy up certain percentages of tickets depending on the amount of tickets available and the size of the payout to get a probability advantage over the many individuals who buy a small number of tickets. It would be interesting to me to know whether people with different speeds of computers have different impressions of whether the calculator overestimates or underestimates.
full member
Activity: 210
Merit: 105
July 25, 2010, 01:22:28 PM
#14
The calculator is useful, but some people misunderstand how to apply the figures.

Suppose you're running 1000 kilo hash per second. The calculator says: 50% chance in 6 days, average is 9 days, 95% chance in 27 days.

Now if you run for 9 days and haven't generated anything, you might think you only have 18 more days to go until you are up to 95% chance (based on 27 days minus the 9 days you've already spent).

Uh uh, it doesn't work that way.

After you have spent some time generating hashes without gaining any coins, that time is lost and doesn't affect the future. So if you haven't generated any coins after 9 days, on average you need to wait another 9 days to generate coins, and you need to wait another 27 days from that point until you have 95% chance of having generated coins.

For the record I'm on 2000 kHash/s and have generated 50 coins in 9 days.
I wrote that calculator.

My understanding was always that (based on those numbers) in any 27 day period, you have a 95% chance of generating one or more blocks. In any 6 day period, you have a 50% chance of generating one or more blocks. I might have screwed up the math somewhere - I don't know stats that well. The formulae came from a friend of mine who read the design paper. Apparently it has some code for calculating block generation.
P(p,t)=1-e^(-pt)
Where p is the probability that you will win in one second: p=khps*1000*target/2^256, and t is the number of seconds.

So I solved for t:
t = -ln(1-P)/p

If anyone has a better understanding of the math and sees a mistake, let me know!
newbie
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Merit: 0
July 25, 2010, 04:07:14 AM
#13
24/7
this not difficult for me:P
topic for close tnx evrybody
sr. member
Activity: 252
Merit: 268
July 25, 2010, 04:03:16 AM
#12
if i have 768khash/s i need wait
Average   11 days, 18 hours, 1 minute
50%   8 days, 3 hours, 28 minutes
95%   35 days, 4 hours, 51 minutes
?! 24/7?
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newbie
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Merit: 0
July 25, 2010, 03:54:56 AM
#11
if i have 768khash/s i need wait
Average   11 days, 18 hours, 1 minute
50%   8 days, 3 hours, 28 minutes
95%   35 days, 4 hours, 51 minutes
?! 24/7?
sr. member
Activity: 252
Merit: 268
July 25, 2010, 03:50:55 AM
#10
It will take a very very long time to generate coins, but if you leave it running long enough, you will eventually get some bitcoins. Here's a calculator where you can get an estimate of how long it will take. The rate changes roughly every two weeks, so check the calculator again after a few weeks. Like I said, a very very long time. The easier way to get some bitcoins is to work for them or to just buy them.
newbie
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Merit: 0
July 25, 2010, 03:38:39 AM
#9
the border?
1 hours 1 day? 1 week?
newbie
Activity: 7
Merit: 0
July 25, 2010, 03:30:34 AM
#8
i have 829khash/s and my balance is 0.00 why?
how many minutes at changing the state of my account?
There is no "definite" formula. It takes time, so just run in the background and don't worry about it.
newbie
Activity: 7
Merit: 0
July 25, 2010, 03:06:11 AM
#7
OMG!!!!!!
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/1858/taaa.png
Port 8333 is open.
@up
thanks u
@edit
i have 829khash/s and my balance is 0.00 why?
how many minutes at changing the state of my account?
full member
Activity: 152
Merit: 100
July 25, 2010, 03:02:03 AM
#6
You seem to be shifting the port numbers by one (8332 -> 8333; 8333 -> 8334). Perhaps that's the problem? Try putting 8332 in the first Private Port field.
newbie
Activity: 7
Merit: 0
July 25, 2010, 02:08:32 AM
#5
i hceck my router and i need IP adress
http://a.yfrog.com/img16/9554/taaaj.png
i get my lan ip
192.168.0.100
and nothing :/
member
Activity: 182
Merit: 10
July 24, 2010, 08:28:02 PM
#4
You don't need to forward a port to generate bitcoins.

Check your router's manual re opening the port.

I connect via VPNs, so opening ports isn't an option for me.
newbie
Activity: 7
Merit: 0
July 24, 2010, 07:37:57 PM
#3
ahh:/
im from poland i understand u
please reply me
i can or i can't
i have router in house

i have in router portforwarding i need a IP Address
member
Activity: 182
Merit: 10
July 24, 2010, 07:20:25 PM
#2
You won't even join the game of solving blocks until you've completely downloaded the current block chain (70,073 just now).  Then, you'll probably get a block every 2-3 weeks, on the average.  I don't have the formula at hand for estimating block generation rate from your Khash/s and difficulty, and it's multiply quoted on this forum.
newbie
Activity: 7
Merit: 0
July 24, 2010, 06:44:08 PM
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