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hero member
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December 09, 2015, 10:07:07 AM
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You have to sync your wallet before being able to use it! and That's a long process I have to say.
It takes hours to synchronize a wallet on a newer computer.
I suggest you should download the blockchain to your PC and fasten the syncing process
Downloading bootstrap.dat is actually slower since the client still needs to verify it and can't do it simultaneously while it is downloading. Bitcoin Core already acts like a torrent from V0.10.0.
blockchain is somewwhere around 21GB
Blockchain is ~55GB as of now.



Thank god Yobit have a 20 post limitation
well acutally I didn't mean to abuse it because I don't use bitcoincore for a while so I just estimate the size of blockchain only Grin
legendary
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You have to sync your wallet before being able to use it! and That's a long process I have to say.
It takes hours to synchronize a wallet on a newer computer.
I suggest you should download the blockchain to your PC and fasten the syncing process
Downloading bootstrap.dat is actually slower since the client still needs to verify it and can't do it simultaneously while it is downloading. Bitcoin Core already acts like a torrent from V0.10.0.
blockchain is somewwhere around 21GB
Blockchain is ~55GB as of now.



Thank god Yobit have a 20 post limitation
hero member
Activity: 770
Merit: 500
You have to sync your wallet before being able to use it! and That's a long process I have to say. I suggest you should download the blockchain to your PC and fasten the syncing process Grin blockchain is somewwhere around 21GB
legendary
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So that password phrase is kind of an private key? Or will I also get a private key and the "seed"?
The seed is a kind of private key but it isn't a private key. Simply said, the private keys are all generated from the seed and is hence deterministic.

You can extract the private key too. Seed is just a method that BIP32 uses to generate private keys that are determined. Clients like Bitcoin Core generate change addresses randomly and hence requires regular backup.
legendary
Activity: 1232
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I have the same issue.. it takes sometime to sync...I just leave my laptop,  for it  to sync, I haven't check it yet if it had already sync its time.. I installed it just the other day,..  Smiley

they said that its a good wallet and a secure one too...

You need a lot of space in your computer. At present, it needs 56GB harddisk space in my PC. The requirement will rise fast next year when bitcoin becomes popular.


ouch... I uninstalled it already,.. can't use it if it consume that space in my hardisk plus the time that it will eat up my internet speed while it sync its time... just stopped it and use my coins.ph wallet..  Smiley
What is a coin.ph wallet? Does that wallet need to sync with the network like the bitcoin core node?
Something like CoinBase I guess https://coins.ph/.
I don't think they allow the signing of message using their address though, or controling your private key. Electrum takes up very little space.
So it is kind of a fake wallet if they won't give me the private key of an address i create.
I will download electrum, thanks for support everyone!
Its a shared wallet. Services like those do not give private key as they do not want the user to move the funds without their authorization. At least that's what gambling sites and exchanges wants to achieve.

Good luck with Electrum. Don't forget to backup your 12 word seed!
Is that similar to the password phrase I get when creating a new wallet with blockchain.info?
No. I don't think they use BIP32 HD seeds. The seed Electrum gives is the key to all the address that is going to be generated there. If you don't keep a backup, you can lose all your addresses if you have a hard drive failure for example. The wallet can recover all the addresses generated just by using the seed.
So that password phrase is kind of an private key? Or will I also get a private key and the "seed"?
legendary
Activity: 3038
Merit: 4418
Crypto Swap Exchange
I have the same issue.. it takes sometime to sync...I just leave my laptop,  for it  to sync, I haven't check it yet if it had already sync its time.. I installed it just the other day,..  Smiley

they said that its a good wallet and a secure one too...

You need a lot of space in your computer. At present, it needs 56GB harddisk space in my PC. The requirement will rise fast next year when bitcoin becomes popular.


ouch... I uninstalled it already,.. can't use it if it consume that space in my hardisk plus the time that it will eat up my internet speed while it sync its time... just stopped it and use my coins.ph wallet..  Smiley
What is a coin.ph wallet? Does that wallet need to sync with the network like the bitcoin core node?
Something like CoinBase I guess https://coins.ph/.
I don't think they allow the signing of message using their address though, or controling your private key. Electrum takes up very little space.
So it is kind of a fake wallet if they won't give me the private key of an address i create.
I will download electrum, thanks for support everyone!
Its a shared wallet. Services like those do not give private key as they do not want the user to move the funds without their authorization. At least that's what gambling sites and exchanges wants to achieve.

Good luck with Electrum. Don't forget to backup your 12 word seed!
Is that similar to the password phrase I get when creating a new wallet with blockchain.info?
No. I don't think they use BIP32 HD seeds. The seed Electrum gives is the key to all the address that is going to be generated there. If you don't keep a backup, you can lose all your addresses if you have a hard drive failure for example. The wallet can recover all the addresses generated just by using the seed.
legendary
Activity: 1232
Merit: 1017
I have the same issue.. it takes sometime to sync...I just leave my laptop,  for it  to sync, I haven't check it yet if it had already sync its time.. I installed it just the other day,..  Smiley

they said that its a good wallet and a secure one too...

You need a lot of space in your computer. At present, it needs 56GB harddisk space in my PC. The requirement will rise fast next year when bitcoin becomes popular.


ouch... I uninstalled it already,.. can't use it if it consume that space in my hardisk plus the time that it will eat up my internet speed while it sync its time... just stopped it and use my coins.ph wallet..  Smiley
What is a coin.ph wallet? Does that wallet need to sync with the network like the bitcoin core node?
Something like CoinBase I guess https://coins.ph/.
I don't think they allow the signing of message using their address though, or controling your private key. Electrum takes up very little space.
So it is kind of a fake wallet if they won't give me the private key of an address i create.
I will download electrum, thanks for support everyone!
Its a shared wallet. Services like those do not give private key as they do not want the user to move the funds without their authorization. At least that's what gambling sites and exchanges wants to achieve.

Good luck with Electrum. Don't forget to backup your 12 word seed!
Is that similar to the password phrase I get when creating a new wallet with blockchain.info?
legendary
Activity: 3038
Merit: 4418
Crypto Swap Exchange
I have the same issue.. it takes sometime to sync...I just leave my laptop,  for it  to sync, I haven't check it yet if it had already sync its time.. I installed it just the other day,..  Smiley

they said that its a good wallet and a secure one too...

You need a lot of space in your computer. At present, it needs 56GB harddisk space in my PC. The requirement will rise fast next year when bitcoin becomes popular.


ouch... I uninstalled it already,.. can't use it if it consume that space in my hardisk plus the time that it will eat up my internet speed while it sync its time... just stopped it and use my coins.ph wallet..  Smiley
What is a coin.ph wallet? Does that wallet need to sync with the network like the bitcoin core node?
Something like CoinBase I guess https://coins.ph/.
I don't think they allow the signing of message using their address though, or controling your private key. Electrum takes up very little space.
So it is kind of a fake wallet if they won't give me the private key of an address i create.
I will download electrum, thanks for support everyone!
Its a shared wallet. Services like those do not give private key as they do not want the user to move the funds without their authorization. At least that's what gambling sites and exchanges wants to achieve.

Good luck with Electrum. Don't forget to backup your 12 word seed!
legendary
Activity: 1652
Merit: 1043
Cypherpunk (& cyberpunk)
I have my bitcoin currently at my blockchain wallet, I want to store them at my computer.
What are the things I need to do before I send my funds to my wallet?

Also, my wallet says 6 years and 43 weeks behind...
I think you should use a lite wallet, such as Electrum, which doesn't have to download the entire chain into your HDD.
All you need to do is make sure you've copied the right address from your receiving wallet, and send your funds there.
Encrypt your wallet, so you have an extra layer of security.
legendary
Activity: 1232
Merit: 1017
I have the same issue.. it takes sometime to sync...I just leave my laptop,  for it  to sync, I haven't check it yet if it had already sync its time.. I installed it just the other day,..  Smiley

they said that its a good wallet and a secure one too...

You need a lot of space in your computer. At present, it needs 56GB harddisk space in my PC. The requirement will rise fast next year when bitcoin becomes popular.


ouch... I uninstalled it already,.. can't use it if it consume that space in my hardisk plus the time that it will eat up my internet speed while it sync its time... just stopped it and use my coins.ph wallet..  Smiley
What is a coin.ph wallet? Does that wallet need to sync with the network like the bitcoin core node?
Something like CoinBase I guess https://coins.ph/.
I don't think they allow the signing of message using their address though, or controling your private key. Electrum takes up very little space.
So it is kind of a fake wallet if they won't give me the private key of an address i create.
I will download electrum, thanks for support everyone!
legendary
Activity: 3038
Merit: 4418
Crypto Swap Exchange
I have the same issue.. it takes sometime to sync...I just leave my laptop,  for it  to sync, I haven't check it yet if it had already sync its time.. I installed it just the other day,..  Smiley

they said that its a good wallet and a secure one too...

You need a lot of space in your computer. At present, it needs 56GB harddisk space in my PC. The requirement will rise fast next year when bitcoin becomes popular.


ouch... I uninstalled it already,.. can't use it if it consume that space in my hardisk plus the time that it will eat up my internet speed while it sync its time... just stopped it and use my coins.ph wallet..  Smiley
What is a coin.ph wallet? Does that wallet need to sync with the network like the bitcoin core node?
Something like CoinBase I guess https://coins.ph/.
I don't think they allow the signing of message using their address though, or controling your private key. Electrum takes up very little space.
copper member
Activity: 1498
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No I dont escrow anymore.
I have the same issue.. it takes sometime to sync...I just leave my laptop,  for it  to sync, I haven't check it yet if it had already sync its time.. I installed it just the other day,..  Smiley

they said that its a good wallet and a secure one too...

You need a lot of space in your computer. At present, it needs 56GB harddisk space in my PC. The requirement will rise fast next year when bitcoin becomes popular.


ouch... I uninstalled it already,.. can't use it if it consume that space in my hardisk plus the time that it will eat up my internet speed while it sync its time... just stopped it and use my coins.ph wallet..  Smiley
I've never heard of coins.ph!, i would recommend you to use electrum if you can't download full block chain.

Its an online wallet service commonly used in the philippines.
legendary
Activity: 1400
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I have the same issue.. it takes sometime to sync...I just leave my laptop,  for it  to sync, I haven't check it yet if it had already sync its time.. I installed it just the other day,..  Smiley

they said that its a good wallet and a secure one too...

You need a lot of space in your computer. At present, it needs 56GB harddisk space in my PC. The requirement will rise fast next year when bitcoin becomes popular.


ouch... I uninstalled it already,.. can't use it if it consume that space in my hardisk plus the time that it will eat up my internet speed while it sync its time... just stopped it and use my coins.ph wallet..  Smiley
I've never heard of coins.ph!, i would recommend you to use electrum if you can't download full block chain.
legendary
Activity: 1232
Merit: 1017
I have the same issue.. it takes sometime to sync...I just leave my laptop,  for it  to sync, I haven't check it yet if it had already sync its time.. I installed it just the other day,..  Smiley

they said that its a good wallet and a secure one too...

You need a lot of space in your computer. At present, it needs 56GB harddisk space in my PC. The requirement will rise fast next year when bitcoin becomes popular.


ouch... I uninstalled it already,.. can't use it if it consume that space in my hardisk plus the time that it will eat up my internet speed while it sync its time... just stopped it and use my coins.ph wallet..  Smiley
What is a coin.ph wallet? Does that wallet need to sync with the network like the bitcoin core node?
legendary
Activity: 3038
Merit: 4418
Crypto Swap Exchange
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So bitcoin could go down if no one host the nodes, if this happens, can someone just download the node and host it on his computer? Or a computer can't handle that?
If in a scenario, no one host a node, you would not be able to get the data of the new blocks from your peers. If you are the only person on earth to have a node, with no latest blockchain data, any data after your last Bitcoin block would be forgotten. Of course, you can mine the blocks and continue the blockchain but it is not plausible with the high difficulty.
So once the blockchain goes down no one will be able to recover it?
If I run the bitcoin core wallet it says 6 peers, so only 6 people host the blockchain at that moment?
Unless they run a node again or upload the latest blockchain elsewhere.

No. There are approximately more than 5047 Bitcoin nodes that has 8333 port opened. A Bitcoin node with default settings only allow 8 outgoing connection unless you open port 8333 which will enable incoming connections.

edit: oops I meant the other way round. changed.
legendary
Activity: 1232
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So bitcoin could go down if no one host the nodes, if this happens, can someone just download the node and host it on his computer? Or a computer can't handle that?
If in a scenario, no one host a node, you would not be able to get the data of the new blocks from your peers. If you are the only person on earth to have a node, with no latest blockchain data, any data after your last Bitcoin block would be forgotten. Of course, you can mine the blocks and continue the blockchain but it is not plausible with the high difficulty.
So once the blockchain goes down no one will be able to recover it?
If I run the bitcoin core wallet it says 6 peers, so only 6 people host the blockchain at that moment?
legendary
Activity: 3038
Merit: 4418
Crypto Swap Exchange
-snip-
So bitcoin could go down if no one host the nodes, if this happens, can someone just download the node and host it on his computer? Or a computer can't handle that?
If in a scenario, no one host a node, you would not be able to get the data of the new blocks from your peers. If you are the only person on earth to have a node, with no latest blockchain data, any data after your last Bitcoin block would be forgotten. Of course, you can mine the blocks and continue the blockchain but it is not plausible with the high difficulty.
legendary
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Any wallet where I don't have to download the whole blockchain?
SPV wallets like Electrum, MultiBit don't download the entire Blockchain, just the block headers. This means that they do not verify the whole block but follows the longest chain that it can find. It presents a problem since it trust the miners and it was affected in the 4th July fork. However, this is a minor issue since most miners have stopped SPV mining.
What happened on 4th july? And what does SPV mining mean, like staking?
On July 4, majority of the blocks mined were V3 block and hence the network reaches consensus to switch to v3 blocks. On that day, a miner mined a v2 block which was considered invalid under v3 and hence miners rejected it and bitcoin Core V0.9.5+. However, miners running SPV mining continued on that wrong chain which resulted in those Bitcoins mined in those invalid blocks being invalid and there was a long block reorg for SPV clients(multibit/electrum etc) since it took time for big mining pools to switch to the correct fork.

No one reported any double spending attempts however. Miners SPV mine to eliminate verification time and thus reducing the stale rate.
So I only need to download the v3 blockchain, is that correct? If yes, what wallet should I use, an SPV or Electrum/Multibit?
No. SPV clients only verify the block headers. They trust the miners to enforce the rules and follow the longest chain. SPV clients are Electrum/Multibit. I prefer Electrum though. Anyway, this problem existed with Bitcoin Core below 0.9.5 and hence it's a must to upgrade the client regularly.
So the miners can manipulate the blockchain?

Thank you for you suggestion, I will stop my bitcoin core wallet because I dont want 60 gb to be wasted.
Full nodes verify each block to ensure that it follow the rules and consider them as invalid if they do. However, in the fork, clients running 0.9.4 and below thought that it was valid and proporgated it. Since SPV Clients do not verify the entire block, they thought it was valid too. I don't find it to be a huge drawback from using an SPV client unless you are a merchant which process large transactions on a daily basis.
Pretty normal situation for someone who wants to use Bitcoin Core. Meaning you need to download and sync all the blockchain information since the genisis block. AFter that, you have a running node and helping the network stay decentralized
If no one would have the bitcoin core wallet, then bitcoin would be a dead coin?
Or is the blockchain also hosted by companies, like blockchain, or is that different?
If no one is running a full node, Bitcoin would not exist. There must be at least one Bitcoin Core client running at all times. Services like Blockchain.info, Blocktrail.com all run a full node to keep track of the data.
So bitcoin could go down if no one host the nodes, if this happens, can someone just download the node and host it on his computer? Or a computer can't handle that?
legendary
Activity: 3038
Merit: 4418
Crypto Swap Exchange
Any wallet where I don't have to download the whole blockchain?
SPV wallets like Electrum, MultiBit don't download the entire Blockchain, just the block headers. This means that they do not verify the whole block but follows the longest chain that it can find. It presents a problem since it trust the miners and it was affected in the 4th July fork. However, this is a minor issue since most miners have stopped SPV mining.
What happened on 4th july? And what does SPV mining mean, like staking?
On July 4, majority of the blocks mined were V3 block and hence the network reaches consensus to switch to v3 blocks. On that day, a miner mined a v2 block which was considered invalid under v3 and hence miners rejected it and bitcoin Core V0.9.5+. However, miners running SPV mining continued on that wrong chain which resulted in those Bitcoins mined in those invalid blocks being invalid and there was a long block reorg for SPV clients(multibit/electrum etc) since it took time for big mining pools to switch to the correct fork.

No one reported any double spending attempts however. Miners SPV mine to eliminate verification time and thus reducing the stale rate.
So I only need to download the v3 blockchain, is that correct? If yes, what wallet should I use, an SPV or Electrum/Multibit?
No. SPV clients only verify the block headers. They trust the miners to enforce the rules and follow the longest chain. SPV clients are Electrum/Multibit. I prefer Electrum though. Anyway, this problem existed with Bitcoin Core below 0.9.5 and hence it's a must to upgrade the client regularly.
So the miners can manipulate the blockchain?

Thank you for you suggestion, I will stop my bitcoin core wallet because I dont want 60 gb to be wasted.
Full nodes verify each block to ensure that it follow the rules and consider them as invalid if they do. However, in the fork, clients running 0.9.4 and below thought that it was valid and proporgated it. Since SPV Clients do not verify the entire block, they thought it was valid too. I don't find it to be a huge drawback from using an SPV client unless you are a merchant which process large transactions on a daily basis.
Pretty normal situation for someone who wants to use Bitcoin Core. Meaning you need to download and sync all the blockchain information since the genisis block. AFter that, you have a running node and helping the network stay decentralized
If no one would have the bitcoin core wallet, then bitcoin would be a dead coin?
Or is the blockchain also hosted by companies, like blockchain, or is that different?
If no one is running a full node, Bitcoin would not exist. There must be at least one Bitcoin Core client running at all times. Services like Blockchain.info, Blocktrail.com all run a full node to keep track of the data.
legendary
Activity: 1232
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Pretty normal situation for someone who wants to use Bitcoin Core. Meaning you need to download and sync all the blockchain information since the genisis block. AFter that, you have a running node and helping the network stay decentralized
If no one would have the bitcoin core wallet, then bitcoin would be a dead coin?
Or is the blockchain also hosted by companies, like blockchain, or is that different?
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