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Topic: I have a list of users to DT tag if anyone have time... - page 2. (Read 2668 times)
I have another that defaulted a loan from my lending service if any DT is willing to tag, thanks!
I've put some thought into this, and it seems that there is a possibility of a on-going scheme here. If account trades/sales are frowned upon and warrant negative ratings, then one can dodge that by taking up a loan and using their own account as collateral. Defaulting the loan becomes the equivalent of selling your account (to a farmer). Another reason for which lenders should stop taking accounts as collateral.
Or maybe a good reason not to be red tagging legit sold accounts and legit account sellers..
We are not talkign about sold accounts here: those in the list are all scammers that defaulted a loan. FYI: sold accounts are not being tagged with red, but with neutral. The only one i have seen tagging red is Shield.
I've put some thought into this, and it seems that there is a possibility of a on-going scheme here. If account trades/sales are frowned upon and warrant negative ratings, then one can dodge that by taking up a loan and using their own account as collateral. Defaulting the loan becomes the equivalent of selling your account (to a farmer). Another reason for which lenders should stop taking accounts as collateral.
Or maybe a good reason not to be red tagging legit sold accounts and legit account sellers..
Logged on Today and saw negative trust and clicked on the link and here I am. Have contacted Gunthar to make arrangements and let him know what happened,in the mean time I dropped by signature and contacted the mod in charge to let them also know what the issue was.
Thanks for bringing this to my attention and again Gunthar sorry for not dealing with this in a prompt time frame.
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Thanks for bringing this to my attention and again Gunthar sorry for not dealing with this in a prompt time frame.
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Will post in the thread on Tuesday once I repay the total amount,just wanted to make sure I have the correct amount including all interest before I send.
Unless you want me to just state that I am intending to repay on that date in the thread,I will just leave it till then.
Unless you want me to just state that I am intending to repay on that date in the thread,I will just leave it till then.
coughs....it's wednesday!!!...coughs
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Vasco** 0.8BTC Link Yes Yes unknown
** Due to the "Donator" status of this user, Theymos has been informed and he is aware i control this account now.
Did you get a signed message from this guy?** Due to the "Donator" status of this user, Theymos has been informed and he is aware i control this account now.
Also, what is the txid for this loan?
No he did proof he wasnt hacked account by PM with some old stuff from BitcoinExchange (that's the real name of that account)
This is the log of the transaction id: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16812886
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Vasco** 0.8BTC Link Yes Yes unknown
** Due to the "Donator" status of this user, Theymos has been informed and he is aware i control this account now.
Did you get a signed message from this guy?** Due to the "Donator" status of this user, Theymos has been informed and he is aware i control this account now.
Also, what is the txid for this loan?
I've put some thought into this, and it seems that there is a possibility of a on-going scheme here. If account trades/sales are frowned upon and warrant negative ratings, then one can dodge that by taking up a loan and using their own account as collateral. Defaulting the loan becomes the equivalent of selling your account (to a farmer). Another reason for which lenders should stop taking accounts as collateral.
I quote 100%: this is why i started this path. There are a lot of people (see the list on my lending thread) that do really need a loan and they repay. But there are a lot that are looking at lending section as an alternative to sell their account.
And for this to:
Logged on Today and saw negative trust and clicked on the link and here I am. Have contacted Gunthar to make arrangements and let him know what happened,in the mean time I dropped by signature and contacted the mod in charge to let them also know what the issue was.
Thanks for bringing this to my attention and again Gunthar sorry for not dealing with this in a prompt time frame.
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Thanks for bringing this to my attention and again Gunthar sorry for not dealing with this in a prompt time frame.
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Thanks for letting us know.
~Gun
Logged on Today and saw negative trust and clicked on the link and here I am. Have contacted Gunthar to make arrangements and let him know what happened,in the mean time I dropped by signature and contacted the mod in charge to let them also know what the issue was.
Thanks for bringing this to my attention and again Gunthar sorry for not dealing with this in a prompt time frame.
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Thanks for bringing this to my attention and again Gunthar sorry for not dealing with this in a prompt time frame.
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I've put some thought into this, and it seems that there is a possibility of a on-going scheme here. If account trades/sales are frowned upon and warrant negative ratings, then one can dodge that by taking up a loan and using their own account as collateral. Defaulting the loan becomes the equivalent of selling your account (to a farmer). Another reason for which lenders should stop taking accounts as collateral.
Now even your service advertise in signature of these accounts it looks like shady...
mmm? It looks shady to you that i dont sell those idiot's account and i decide to use their post with my signature? Tell me more....
Lol is ok i love you too zaza
Dont worry about the collaterals i lost, it is part of the risk of being a lender. I just dont approve the account farming that lately we have all seen. A lot of people say lenders shoudnt take accounts as collateral at all but you know...how hard it would become. So i'm following a different path. And no i dont feel like Don Chisciotte...if you look around there are a lot of people that dont like the account farming supported by lenders...
~Gun
PS: what is your native language tho?
Now people even are afraid to click link with your advertise, ,that did not get any virus or whatever,
summing it works as anti advertising.
Oh i see your point now
Now even your service advertise in signature of these accounts it looks like shady...
mmm? It looks shady to you that i dont sell those idiot's account and i decide to use their post with my signature? Tell me more....
Lol is ok i love you too zaza
Dont worry about the collaterals i lost, it is part of the risk of being a lender. I just dont approve the account farming that lately we have all seen. A lot of people say lenders shoudnt take accounts as collateral at all but you know...how hard it would become. So i'm following a different path. And no i dont feel like Don Chisciotte...if you look around there are a lot of people that dont like the account farming supported by lenders...
~Gun
PS: what is your native language tho?
Now people even are afraid to click link with your advertise, ,that did not get any virus or whatever,
summing it works as anti advertising.
Now even your service advertise in signature of these accounts it looks like shady...
mmm? It looks shady to you that i dont sell those idiot's account and i decide to use their post with my signature? Tell me more....
Lol is ok i love you too zaza
Dont worry about the collaterals i lost, it is part of the risk of being a lender. I just dont approve the account farming that lately we have all seen. A lot of people say lenders shoudnt take accounts as collateral at all but you know...how hard it would become. So i'm following a different path. And no i dont feel like Don Chisciotte...if you look around there are a lot of people that dont like the account farming supported by lenders...
~Gun
PS: what is your native language tho?
Now even your service advertise in signature of these accounts it looks like shady...
mmm? It looks shady to you that i dont sell those idiot's account and i decide to use their post with my signature? Tell me more....
Or maybe you think that advertising under tagged as scamer account looks alluring?
Now even your service advertise in signature of these accounts it looks like shady...
mmm? It looks shady to you that i dont sell those idiot's account and i decide to use their post with my signature? Tell me more....
sorry, Gunthar but this alleged fight more like a Don Quixote fighting windmills...
if the policy do not want to sell account's can understand, and evaluate the positive.
That a desire marked "self" in in red, in my opinion is illogical, (of course only with exceptions that you took accounts without proof that account belongs to original user). Theymos certainly does not return account to real owner if you have agreement with signed message that original owner gave this account as collateral. If all accounts under your control, and you yourself positioned itself as honest, so community should not be afraid new attempt to scam.
Now even your service advertise in signature of these accounts it looks like shady...
P.S.
I'm sorry that my guess for donator comes true..
if the policy do not want to sell account's can understand, and evaluate the positive.
That a desire marked "self" in in red, in my opinion is illogical, (of course only with exceptions that you took accounts without proof that account belongs to original user). Theymos certainly does not return account to real owner if you have agreement with signed message that original owner gave this account as collateral. If all accounts under your control, and you yourself positioned itself as honest, so community should not be afraid new attempt to scam.
Now even your service advertise in signature of these accounts it looks like shady...
P.S.
I'm sorry that my guess for donator comes true..
I have flagged all of the listed users and alts with negative trust. Please contact me if any of them repay their loans.
Thank you.
~Gun
I have flagged all of the listed users and alts with negative trust. Please contact me if any of them repay their loans.
It's good of you to share the list and stop them from spreading any further, but have you also stopped taking any new accounts as collateral for loans? I doubt this will change much, as someone else is always willing to accept these "dirty" trades and perpetuate this underground economy. BTCTalk needs to take a stand against it
Yes i have as you can read in my lending policy of May 2016 (reference) and i have invited other lenders to do the same. Some of them promised to do so and then regret so, my business got broken and they continued to grow. For now, my lending policy updates to "i am not selling collaterals account that defaulted loans" but believe it: i will do a mess with them and all their alts.
Of course my responsability is to not accept accounts that would ruin their reputation for a bunch of dollar cents. The most trusted are already taking loans without collatera: see yahoo, avirunes, ranochigo and others...
It's not easy tho uh...
~Gun
It's good of you to share the list and stop them from spreading any further, but have you also stopped taking any new accounts as collateral for loans? I doubt this will change much, as someone else is always willing to accept these "dirty" trades and perpetuate this underground economy. BTCTalk needs to take a stand against it
Well I can't see why you would want to tag accounts which now (if you have the necessary proof) rightfully belong to you. At any rate, would you prefer a neg tag or a neutral?
- They can come up whenever they want to theymos with a signed message and claim back their account aand continue to scam?
- They can be tied to their alts and continue to scam? (the more informations we have the easier we can find their alts)
- With DT tag they become useless so none will attempt to sell those accounts (hackers, original owners, DA LENDER(S)) aka let's help stopping account farming
i can continue the list but i'd need some more coffee this morning...
Thanks!
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