Topic: I have done nothing wrong but I am negative trusted now (Read 999 times)

Why do you not like somebody though? I don't dislike somebody for having a different opinion than me unless the opinion is completely disgusting.

I can dislike somebody for having shitty judgement. So having my distrust is not because i don't like him in this case. It is because he has shitty judgement.

Should or shouldn't whatever, since it is not moderated, nothing can be done about it.

Lauda and group was a motivation and inspiration for me after 4 years mildly pursuing scammers, it proven it's just bullshit when could of used me(should be thankfull), I'm just happy things are as they are and trying to enjoy them here. I make too many damn connections, that isn't a good thing and makes me believe such things as that there are groups here, but the way things work let me very little to believe they aren't a group.

Don't take anything personally. You will feel better. Fact is, we do not know anyone in here in person. These are some characters including yours and mine too. So take everything easily and grow a thick skin. Believe me, it helps.

PS: I do not believe there are any group or organization in here. It's just at some point two or more users are on the same page and in other points they are not.

For example: I have Lauda in my distrust list. There are numerous occasions I disagree with Lauda, on the other hand there are also numerous occasions where we both agreed in some cases and stood strong together. The only reason for me Lauda to be in my distrust list is that she (or he whatever) is too harsh to send out negs and I have seen a lot of them were overlooked by her. But that does not discredit a lot of good works she is doing for the community. Sorry Lauda, to bring you as the example in here. I hope you are good enough to understand that it's not personal.

Being in the same page does not mean that it's a group or organization.

I wouldn't care that much if i didn't see jolly as part of a organized group assaulting me for whatever reason, after defending a scammer (not jolly in this case), everyone ignoring this for threads and threads.

I will have a 2nd thought in this. I think distrusting anyone because you do not like him or know him is wrong. We should be distrusting anyone if we see their judgments are fleeing. I have noticed harsh judgments from Jolly in the past too.

Nobody gives a shit about trust ratings. Just accept it and move on.

As you see in the post above me, even the OP itself has several negs from DT.

Trust ratings are not being moderated (flags are, yes) There is no one universal right for everybody neither.

Unless you scammed somebody directly, which you didn't, a trust rating serves as a diary.

It is just an opinion. In your case Jolly thinks negatively about you. Why do you care? Nobody else does.

You should only care about it if you think Jolly is a good person and you like him. If you don't know or don't like him, exclude him, ignore him. As he did to you. Everybody is happy then.

Sweet of you lauda to write things to me , actually, excluding the campaing which I did care about these ratings of yours haven't done shit and I don't really need a signature anymore so its all fun and games and beer even after anyone loses an eye, lets see how down and deep in this spiral we can get. As red as it is I has no problems doing biz and that's enough for me considering all these laughs.
Tell me, how butthurt you have to be to contact people to remove their positive ratings?

There's your pic, you can give it any look you wish by trusting and distrusting the right people.
Distrusting a few members of that group and the ratings change quite a bit so it becomes easy to see where the circle is, but I wouldn't bother too much this is just the front line of some of the nice groups that grew around bitcoin.

Edit: Mindrust, why'd you take the bit of fun I has on the forum, everyone making telenovelas out of stupid shit so I wanted too. I didn't see logic in his rating that's why i persisted.

Oh okay sorry I am not used to of these features so I don't know who has me ignored or who has not.

Speaking of red and green here is an image I posted in another thread where red tomatoes and green peppers were being discussed.

As mentioned in that thread, having added trolls and good-for-nothing-attention-seekers on my IGNORE list does help when scrolling the pages to read posts

@JollyGood

The PM I sent I did not mention to remove the rating but isn't it pretty obvious if I am apologizing for something I would expect the feedback to be removed? If it is not like that then again I apology because I believed asking an apology meant that you forgive the little mistake and remove feedback.


I sent PM after the thread opening just to ensure I don't like a I was doing something wrong, got caught and begging to remove the feedback. I mean you are a DT member and if you are giving a feedback there is a solid reason and if I discussed in public why is it a problem at all? I just wanted to make sure that you see what point I am trying to make because DM easily means I am begging for negative to be removed which I did not wanted to look like, I had my own view and I just wanted to express it via this thread and hopefully convince you why I made that post.


This is why I apologized? At the same time being a simple member status I do not think I am an influence at all and hence I unfortunately missed due diligence before posting my praise .. I already said sorry about that.


I never knew what's your ignore list and you had me ignored, I am sorry but I am not that genius or intelligent to predict who has blocked/ignored me.


I have just one question from you, as your feedback said "BEWARE: JustinBounty knows there was no hack at betking.io" how can you claim I know there was no hack .. I don't know if there was a hack or not, I was told that they were hacked and that is what I assumed when making my comment.


I never meant you are one who control these gangs but you cannot deny that there are a lot of signature gangs on forum and even the reputation thing has been quite a menace .. what I meant was there is one group with OG and another one with VOD .. I do not mean to criticize anyone but you can clearly see there are 2 separate gangs who is right, thats not I can comment on certainly.


Anyways remove the feedback or not, I am sorry for mistakenly supporting a scammer and hope I would be more conscious when making future comments.

Do you need more kool-aid to disconnect yourself from reality? Almost all users of this forum see you in red.

Just make sure you go to trust rating and put jolly's name with a tilde before along with his whole group, i see myself as green and you as neutral .

Regarding betking I has no idea what happend there but I can say I got some funds on a few sites even if i haven't deposited on BK since site opened. I'm not saying anyone is guilty or innocent but of all the casinos that went down thru the shitter it's the first one I see attempting to repay something back, contact was made with biggest casinos and each gave something back, that is more than you can say of any other scam&run casino so there's that, I learned just at the beginning of this month why everyone has to have their money and their keys on cold storage and exchanges proven this pretty much.

So after all the drama ensued in this thread I decided to unIGNORE the OP to see what was going on...

I am not very good at mathematics but from what I can deduce I am now openly replying/responding to the PM around 39 hours after receiving it.

What is somewhat surprising here is the urgency in which the OP (JustinBounty) has jumped on this situation to clear-his-name as it were by starting this thread on 23rd April 2020 at 7.56 (and 16 seconds) pm while apologising to me via PM at 7.58 (and 29 seconds) pm which is around 133 seconds later.







Which sort of person with any rational thinking would behave in the manner in which the OP did?

In the PM he sent did he as me to reconsider my feedback? Quite clearly he did not. Did he even give me a hint in the slightest that he wanted me to reconsider removing or modifying it? Again, quite clearly he did not.

He actually created this thread first then sent a PM later all the while I had him on IGNORE and he gave 133 seconds in between creating this thread and then sending a PM to apologise - that behaviour is highly questionable to say the least.

Here is the actual comment in the OP that should be noted:


Firstly: yes indeed he was given negative feedback

Secondly:



If there was no malice involved and he misunderstood the situation I will revise my feedback but will keep it negative for multiple reasons including when someone who is a relative newcomer is posting praises for a serial scammer on the basis of a misunderstanding or anything else means they cannot be trusted.

Where was the initiative on part of the OP to look through the history of the serial scammer Dean Nolan to know what was going on BEFORE he posted praises? If he was incompetent or lazy enough to avoid doing so and posting for the sake of posting what can I do about it when he was the one posting high praises for a serial scammer that stole around at least $4 million from the 2017 betking ICO all the way up to when the site shut down after he stolen the $400,000 bankroll in October 2019. Even now serial scammer Dean Nolan is probably lining up his pockets to receive most of the $200 per user Bitsler will be providing alleged betking customers but the OP in his wisdom claims he did not know the background story yet posted praises of a known scammer.

Thirdly: this is absolutely worth a laugh at because he created this thread asking for the feedback to be removed but did not ask me when he sent me a PM 133 seconds later even though he knew he was on my IGNORE list?

After the OP posting that various senior members of the forum who have posted in this thread are in a gang with me and accusing other members of other things, it is easy to understand why I had this user on IGNORE.

As always I appreciate all the comments, views, tip and advice from users I have immense respect for who took the time to post here with their neutral views without taking any sides.

@LoyceV

Thank you, I might have said some wrong statements out of frustration maybe and I apology again if anything hurt you.

I hate betking now and I wish I never replied there, edited my comment already now. here - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/betkingio-refunds-partnership-with-bitsler-promo-ended-5241045

Than you everyone hope it helps clear the situation.

First, I don't think I took JollyGood's side here, I literally said I wouldn't leave negative feedback for this. And second, I couldn't care less about how "powerful" he is. What do you think would happen? He'll tag and Flag me over a disagreement?

That would be a good start indeed. Just edit your post, and update it with your current view on the situation. It's archived anyway.

You can use strikethrough on the original content and add new content instead of deleting your post.

This is a pretty obvious hint:
BetKing.io

And on top of the scammer's thread is an even bigger red warning!

Please open a topic on this, for when I'm bored in lockdown!

I am actually worried for the guys in US because they have the worst guy probably to handle the pandemic situation and very arrogant.

I think he will agree, but yes you can wait.

Florida, Alabama, rednecks. Pick your source of online fun. Locals probably know more.

maybe I should just let jolly reply once because he might have a different perception of deleting a comment, but thanks a lot for the replies and fun discussion that went in middle of it lol

Good question, and good thinking. I can see how some people might attack you for that but I would not be worried about this. Such actions are mostly done by vicious trolls. I think you should delete it.

I wanted to delete my comment but I felt it might seem like I was supporting a scam intentionally and deleted it when caught, shall I delete it? Please suggest

It is called: patience. The guy does not exist to serve and handle your requests when you ask for it. If the comment is retracted and so such further comments are going to be made, then your case is will be handled sooner rather than later.

I have apologized and even regret my comment what else I need to do now? Death penalty for my comment?

You own bats that actually caused a lot of trouble so please next time try and keep your bats to yourself and don't let them fly to other countries. Keep the virus bats at your home and die play with them but please let them not hurt others. Not everyone loves them I can promise you.

Since you edited, "Stop harassing the guy and making off-topic posts."

I delete it as I believe you are maybe right there, accepted.

Do not support scammers, and you will not be a scammer. End of story.

Yes, our bats have bigger brains than Muricans do. Want some soup?

Stop harassing the guy and making off-topic posts.

Because I did not knew that there was a scandal going on with/against Nolan and if he is a scammer.

You go outside and see someone helping someone get off the ground who had fallen .. you appreciate that but you are then kicked in the ass because that guy was actually going to scam the already fallen guy, does it makes you a scammer?

Are you from Wuhan?

Why would you post about it based off of your the information given to you by your scammer dumbass friend when you didn't even verify the information? Are you from Florida?

I wish you could read above, a friend used to bet at betking got it? he told me betking got hacked got it? Time passes by got it please? Now I see them paying back I felt they are doing a good thing and posted it, got it please again?

Please keep me away from religious or country based hate, I am too old for these. Corona covid-19 is nothing compared to what sort of virus is developing at this forum and Theymos being Trump.

Are you from China? 

Why would you post about it when you know nothing about it? Are you from the United States?

I am not defending anyone, I was unaware of something and I made a comment later I realize that the guy I felt was hacked actually cheated .. how I am supposed to be called a scammer? And please can you ask jolly to reply if he has enough time because it would be great to know his opinion.

I hate betking now but I never knew all drama when i posted my comment, you get it? please?

I also want to know how I am supposed to know that some website has scammed when they publicly said they were hacked being a neutral person I would believe they were hacked little do I know that jolly hate betking lol

Stop defending scammers like Betking by making up lies, and you will have no issues. What is the problem exactly?

Wrong. If you knowingly support a scammer, you are also a scammer.

Retract the statement and stop wasting server bytes.

@LoyceV

Thanks for your reply but I said I don't care he scams or not because I cannot help it either ways but if I see something good I just appreciated that, I am not at all connected with betking but anyways I do understand you have to take his side because he is more powerful than me but in life you will I believe get in a similar situation and you would feel the pain when someone instead of helping you just sticks with the powerful guy.


@TECSHARE

Thanks for standing up and I have done the required action although I don't think if it will help at all. Added him to that list as suggested.


@DireWolfM14

I explained him and even apologized to him but after getting no response and even you can see here he hasn't replied so he is pretty much arrogant enough to avoid anything being discussed. The paranoid thinking where you believe what you do is right and others are wrong is what Jollygood is going through. I hope he serves for his sins and I do for my own, whoever is right or wrong.
Thank you for at least being neutral and able to differentiate difference between right and wrong.

I again repeat, I just saw a hacked (as told by my friend) website returning and paying back others so I made that comment, I AM IN NO WAY RELATED TO DEAL or anything else and I apologize to everyone and anyone whom I might have hurt unintentionally. I never meant to support any scam and neither I was getting paid to make that post so just spare a thought why I would do it? Only because I felt it was a good deed which later turns our that beking has scammed so I regret my comment but I believe I still haven't done anything as wrong to be called a scammer or being mentioned trade with caution since this has nothing to do it.

I wouldn't leave negative in this case either, but also understand JollyGood's reasons. 

@JustinBounty, if you feel like this is unjustified, communicate with JollyGood to explain to him why.  He may not change his mind, but at the very least you'll give him reason to evaluate his rating.  That may convince him to revise his review in the future.

Regardless of the community's general consensus, reviews are not moderated.  Bringing it up for the community to review is also productive, even if you don't get the results you want right now.  JollyGood is within his rights to leave his reviews for whatever reason he feels is justified.  However, if the community starts to recognize a pattern of inaccurate reviews, he'll be removed from DT eventually.

@JollyGood, I know you've been working hard to keep the community safe from scammers, and that's commendable.  I would suggest you exsersise a bit of restraint in situations like this one.  Leaving reviews for a suspicion isn't against the rules, but it could create a sense that you are quick to leave inaccurate reviews.  That could compromise your position on DT, and therefor minimize the impact of your more accurate reviews.

This can not be standard operating procedure to tag accounts like these for one simple reason. It means no one can freely discuss the guilt or innocence of parties if some hard on like jollygood decides he is right. Disagreeing is not grounds for a negative rating. This is more guilt via association bullshit and is itself a way to manipulate the trust system by silencing opposing voices. Without any evidence this is not acceptable because it is completely indistinguishable from someone simply stating their opinion. Jollygood knows this but he is one of several chodes around here who thinks they are Ms. Cleo. This is about jollygood serving his own compulsions for control, not serving the community.

Go here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust
Add: ~Jollygood

That is not true.
Go and ask all your mod crew to check the accounts of all the people you claim are shills. Even go through their complete post history.
None of them are mine. I have this account, and support/prc related accounts that are clearly marked.

Get over yourself. The forum is shit. People moved on. The reason half the posts saying they got funds back from me are have little post history is because they were here around 2015-2016 and moved on or created a new account because they lost access to their old one. Also think some people probably have a "real" account and a separate account so that people don't link in real life that they had a large sum of btc to invest in a btc casino.

JustinBounty asked me to respond here, so I will

How can you care about good deeds .....
.... while you don't care about scams?

I wouldn't leave negative feedback for this, but I understand why JollyGood does it. BetKing has had shill-accounts before, and shilling for a proven scammer makes you look untrustworthy.

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JollyGood doesn't have a paid signature.

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Says every scammer on Bitcointalk.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53925817

Another insane use of red tags.

Jollygood is a fake scam hunter. He only picks on easy targets but will allow his DT pals to work with scams he busted previously
Himself

Take a look through his history. Jollygood is a cretin

Join the objective standards guild in meta. That will eventually solve this issue of diluting the purpose and usefulness of the trust system.

People get arrogant with power in hands while they actually need to have a stable head I believe is more important. Anyways if this is what a decentralized forum looks like then well good luck, because this is being controlled by a group of people who wants to make money with signature camps and how funny is that I am not even promoting any signatures or brands man so why would I even spam?

JollyGood is just an waste of the DT1 space here.

You should better ignore his feedback, I am sure you would be more effective in Ignoring someone than that piece of shit and a lier. And the best course of action would be ~JollyGood in your trust list.

Red trust for politely saying someone that you are doing a good work by refunding the victims, what an dickheaded judgement explicitly from the people who trust him. ( Lack of Objective Standards )

Nobody really cares about red-trusts anymore unless you did something really serious.

Flags are what really count now, not feedbacks. (most of the time)

Don't worry about it.

I also sent him an apology and clarification but if you ask me, I haven't done anything wrong still I would say. At least not intentionally.