Topic: I just got hacked - any help is welcome! (25,000 BTC stolen) - page 21. (Read 381810 times)

You're kidding, right? :/

Please educate yourself before you go spouting off nonsense.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_DB


You know, that sounds like shitty software.  Maybe we should use CSV instead.

-sneak

PS: When did the bitcoin crowd go from "anarchocapitalist cypherpunks" to "windows7 winamp ricers"?  Was it the public release of GPU miners, or was it The Silk Road?

Implement receive, send, activate permissions on addresses and accounts. In fact start calling accounts folders. Addresses is fine.


Chaos obscures. Absolute chaos obscures absolutely.


Not really. Pseudonyms are for difficulty and deterence not impossibility. I've been doxed 3x already. My heart goes out to the person at my old address.

This is imposing a broken physical metaphor on bitcoin. A decentralized version of a bank would be a wallet where certain addresses are listed as receive only.

No central bank needed. The real bottleneck right now is the Windowsisms that came into the design.
Use of development branch of Wxwidgets. Boneheaded.
.dat instead of .csv. Are we still in 1980?
An interface that doesn't label addresses (Linux), doesn't understand accounts (Windows), and calls receiving addresses the Address Book.
A client that is also the president of the Hair Club for Men. Separate policy from information.

Exactly.

This would be the same with cash: You only keep smaller amounts in cash, because you realize that if they are stolen, it is very very unlikely you will ever get them back, even if the theif is caught.

Aside from allinvain's most regrettable loss, this really does serve to remind everyone that there is an emerging demand for a bitcoin bank.

You send your money to the bitcoin bank, which then holds and secures the funds for a fee. If the bank loses the money, although this should be just as hard as stealing from a real bank hopefully, then the money would be insured by a third party insurance company.

Just like with "real" money.

Imagine the paranoia of having to be responsible for keeping secure your entire savings in dollar bills under your bed. That goes for BTC too, and is why we need banks.

Cases like this one will lead to BTC banks managing the BTCs for the "normal joe". It is simply unrealistic to believe that the "normal joe" is willed and able to understand all steps to max the security for his wallet.dat. In the end we will have "BTC banks" that offer security and insurance like normal banks today.

Sorry for your loss allinvain, just thinking about loosing that amount makes me feel queasy.

Not sure if this has been suggested but try and remember any bitcoin related sites which you might have used the same password.

So, it ends in a Mad Max style chainsaw fight?

That doesn't change much for the person who got ripped off, or possibly for the person who he is trying to rip off. Proof of original ownership doesn't preclude a willing transfer going sour, greed after the fact, or some kind of elaborate collusion scheme (target address owned by friendly) for example hoping to solicit sympathy coins, or if you're paranoid even as a recon exercise into the exchange and/or pools.

Also, what happens if Mt. Gox complies easily, freezes target accounts? Do they have the right/obligation to do so? If so, scammers will try to abuse *that*.

I'm sorry for your loss, but am dumbfounded by the nonchalance with which that kind of 'f*ck you' money is treated. For lots of people a sum that large would mean never having to work again (unless the fed manages to lower interest rates to zero of course).

I'm also very skeptical about 'following the money' (blockchain), every time there is a split or merge all in/outputs are 'infected', at some point making it impossible to follow, let alone prosecute to any meaningful conclusion (do you average your loss over every recipient?).

The only recourse would be to physically trace the perpetrator and get them to admit the theft. Which on the downside would put a dent into the pseudonymous image Bitcoin has.

Yes I agree too. We really need a client user adn noob-friendly.

Bitcoin-qt seems to go in that direction.

@allinvain

I'm sorry for your loss. You came to the Wild West 2.0, found great riches almost overnight, and lost them again overnight.  But you still have an interesting story to tell, and you are no worse off than before.

I hope this doesn't make you lose faith in bitcoin completely. Come back in a year or so when the Wild West is tamed, and there will be other riches to be made. 

This isn't a problem with the bitcoin protocol and original client. These just provide the bare-bones infrastructure on top of which the economy is built.  

It's not the job of the core bitcoin developers to be everyone's nanny.  They have enough work trying to create a secure protocol, and they should continue focusing on that, instead of user-side security.

Security disasters like this one will create a strong market for clients, backup tools, liveCD, etc aimed at the average non-technical user, and I am certain that there are people working hard at developing them right now.  Just give it some time.

The problem is that the bitcoin userbase and value is growing so fast that entrepreneurs and developers have trouble keeping up with demand.  It's growing too fast for its own good IMO.

you should cooperate with mtgox, as this guy try to move the btc to sell them at mtgox you can try to intercept him, with an IP at least.

The more people that report the same address (or different ones) ending up in the same account on MtGox, the less there is likelihood of a fake victim story.

Also in a fake victim story there would be a counter claim of an OTC trade (like if somebody bought a yacht in BTC - a grand development) and the potentially accused would have responded by now.

A fake victim story is difficult to accomplish in a convenient amount of time.
The forum has to believe you.
MagicalTux has to believe you.
You have to then deal with the bastard playing games.

Granted the last four days feel like a massive psyop was executed.

The client should DO THIS ITSELF. Securing your wallet properly is work. Boring, repetitive work, involving moving and encrypting files. The sort of work computers are good at. Financial data (especially when it *actually is money*) should not be stored in plaintext, ever.

That won't stop your bitcoins from being stolen by spyware, but it will make everyone a lot happier.

This thread should go sticky!

SECURE YOUR WALLET!!! And if you're not techsavyy enough to do this, take an ewallet account.

Fuck this is annoying.

You could take whatever you wanted and give him some of it I am sure he would be happy enough

One of the best replies here. No offense OP - but I do disagree with you losing your faith in bitcoins. Bitcoins served you well, you lost them on your own account.

If the attacker stole the wallet.dat file... they could have placed the transaction when the victim was sitting at his computer using their bitcoin client. It could have literally disappeared before his or her eyes.

Really? If it were me. I would hold on to them.

A) because I know that people would be looking for movement of those coins immediately.

B) I would be hoping for the value to increase since I am a greedy, stealing bastard of a human being.

I was just thinking the other day since we have had a lot of motorcycle thefts from our apartment building (presumably somebody is driving in with a truck and some big dudes... lifting up expensive motorcycles and then driving off with them...).... anyways I was thinking... again... if it were me, I would leave the van in the garage for a few days so it wouldn't be obvious on the cameras at the garage doors of the building. Eventually people will stop caring and you can probably drive out riding the motorcycle in question without any problems.

It probably isn't anything fancy.

Pull the machine off the Internet so the thief can't get back in and cover their tracks, and then see what-all is running and what ports are open.

Besides finding out how they did it, though, you probably won't get very far. The police aren't usually very good at following up on "a thief stole my laptop and I have the serial number, their IP and a photo from the webcam." They're probably not going to be able to get your coins back.

On the other hand, we know Bitcoin has arrived because people are stealing it.

This is what pisses me off the most.

The hacker is probably just going to spend it on hookers and blow.

You would have used it to benefit us all.

What a crying shame it is.