Topic: I Just Love the Game of a Totalitarian State (Read 365 times)

And so far, the US continues to play this game.

You're right about that. For me as a European who is far away from the problem Hong Kong looks like a safe place in the sea of terror but it might not remain like that for long because the situation between the US and China isn't good.

Emigration from China was indeed a big thing even in 2 centuries ago when they were emigrating to the USA and setting up famous chinatowns. They helped to build the transcontinental railroad, worked in mines and tunnels. They and the Irish were one of the nations that built the USA and did not profit from it.

Well, no matter how I love Bitcoin I don't think it can change the world in way to bring peace and freedom to everyone. That is kind of utopia.
However Bitcoin represents change and kind of freedom at least in sense that we have choice and alternative when it comes to finances. Also people in countries with totalitarian society can use Bitcoin as long as they have Internet access.

No, smart people should move to Taiwan. Hong Kong doesn't have an American fleet cushioning an invasion, Hong Kong is already a lost cause.

Of course, Chinese people have been emigrating en mass for decades. Saw that container found full of (Chinese) dead people in UK? Just for how long do you think this has been going? Half a century or more... People are willing to risk it all to escape oppressive regimes, and they know many die to never achieve their dreams. Those that make it are often exploited to levels of slavery. They hope their sacrifice would somehow help their family back home, with money or escaping, rinse and repeat.

China has the largest population, and the largest emigration. But you see the same pattern repeat all over the world, North Korea, Morocco, Cuba, you name it.

"Forbidding" talk, discussion and debate about anything is morally unacceptable. Its simply State oppression, no matter what color or "ideology" they paint it with, it is the very same.

That government is not unstable, its just another police oppressive state. Not unlike what China has always had for thousands of years... As long as their military stick to obeying orders from their leaders, and this is the largest military force in the world.

What is there to love from State oppression? Tho admittedly that has been human's history, with varying degrees of "freedom". Even in China, you are now able to do almost anything as long as you don't touch politics. Just like monarchies. Too bad when the State decides where you can and where you cannot go, or if you are even eligible to do so...

In feudal times, you weren't even allowed to leave the feud, the small region you were born. Vassals belonged to the lord, only the lord could decide for you. Well now the lord is the State.

they realized it's the best option for surveilling all their citizens' financial activities!

i'm assuming this move is related to their plans to launch DCEP, their central bank coin. they don't want anyone criticizing their blockchain surveillance model and discouraging people from using it.

What does that supposed to mean?
So the totalitarian country is good,when it adopts crypto/blockchain and it's bad if it bans them?
If they accept crypto they are more liberal,if they don't,they are more totalitarian?
All I can say is freedom for Hong Kong.

Damn, the sarcasm is deep in this post... Can't believe some people still don't get it though.

I did expect something like this to happen with the new blockchain announcements, if they where going to release an entire new currency in their world, of course they would need to restrict people from giving criticism on it, what did we expect?

The more and more China grows, the more and more control and suppression they can do. Most Chinese companies own huge stakes in western companies and this not only gives them control over their own countries, they are able to suppress media in the western world.

Let's see how they do it because the Petro was a failed attempt to take over the central bank of Venezuela, which by the way after that attempt is trying to be more transparent with their numbers something that did not happen before.

It's a nice joke to me, but I hope you're not serious. Any totalitarian move is a bad move. At first, they ban what you also hate, but the next thing you know is that your views are banned, too! I don't like how the Chinese government is dealing with what it does not like. And such radical moves can even be bad for cryptos, by the way, because there was already a clarifying statement that China supports Blockchain but not cryptocurrencies. So talking about cryptocurrencies being the central and most important use case of Bitcoin can be banned next, you know. Furthermore, it's important to allow people to make negative content about Blockchain, because some of these people might point to serious problems or lead to others improving the tech to answer the claims made by those people. When there is no freedom of speech, progress can't be fast.

It's better to let their people choose their side. Not spoon feeding the crypto because eventually it will create a negative impression to those first timers who don't even know what bitcoin is. There should be a disposition, a leader that will stick to one side of the game that will be the basis of the the decision of their people without the use of force or control just to manipulate what the outcome should be. Or else, if they really want it, make it as a law and be straight to the point. Convert their fiats to crypto.

What can you do. These are remnants of all socialist states. Any deviations from the decisions of the ruling parties in socialist societies are regarded as a challenge and sabotage to the decision of a political party.
In this case, it would be better not to criticize blockchain technology in China so that problems of both a political and legal nature do not arise. And why do this, the blockchain technology, in my opinion, is good in all respects.

Can't say I like what they're doing. A government that is undecided and first bans something to later change their stance by 180 degrees and threaten people who don't like it only proves that the government is unstable. How can they rule the country if they don't know what's good for their people. This year it's bed 2 years later it's good what next?

Smart Chinese people should move to Hong Kong.

Advances fast but with the cost of the people's freedom just like what happened in North Korea but their status was way too much than the totalitarian country. I will not be surprised if their country would be like a dumb in the outside world because they would ban everything that would start to oppose with their rules.

The Chinese government is a great example of authority and although sometimes a radical position can be debatable, when it is done for the benefit of the community, the position must be firm, because that way one advances very fast and that is the great news.

I believe that the Chinese state is not the worst thing that can be in this world.  Despite the fact that the Chinese government continues to exercise tight political control, they try to keep up with the times, while uniting communism, socialism and capitalism.  I would pay attention to North Korea, which is a real nightmare for the whole world.
Based on this, China and North Korea are very different from each other, but all of them can legalize cryptocurrency in the near future, then what will be the attitude of cryptocurrency users to these countries?

Democracy isn't perfect but it is what it is because there's no better system. Monarchy is also good if you think about it. The king had to make sure people are happy or they would rebel and dethrone him. If there was a way to give power to a small group of people and completely skip the parliament everything would get done much faster and more efficient. In some countries democracy is becoming too much to handle when minorities are given power by the majority like it was charity. The majority is buying support from minority by granting it what it wants. This is not how democracy should function.

We like what China is doing because for every rule there are those who are for and those who are against. We like it because we like crypto but think of all those who don't like it for some reason. They'll feel abused and forced to shut up.

I just hate any kind of totalitarism, dictatorship and communism in this world. Men weren't created to leave under suppression and they weren't created equal because they are unique and all have different qualities. Most importantly I think humans need to live in freedom and peace. That doesn't mean we don't need rules or boundaries, but they need to be set in a democratic way and supervised by competent authorities. All these should happen in my opinion in an ideal world, but we don't live in such a world, but we can fight and join efforts to create one like this and I strongly believe that Bitcoin is the catalyst for a fundamental change of our society.

I read some part of it, all animals are equal but some are more equal than others. The time has come for former slave (the people) to take back power from the masters and live a free life like what the blockchain offers. This is one good side of a totalitarian government it has more evil than good.

That's how things in communism work, you ask nothing, you do nothing, you mean nothing except what the Communist Party says. In case you go against these rules and laws, you disappear in the black night or they publicly kill you at a football stadium as an example to others. I will not say that Western democracy works perfectly, far from it - but few would go to live in China and give up their freedoms.


Do you know the price paid by those who live there for China to make progress as we see it? It is not easy to restrain 1.4 billion people to think like one, and what is China's greatest strength, (which is the people) are also likely to be its greatest weakness when a critical mass is created that will no longer want to live in communism and demand change. This could lead to one of the greatest civil wars in the history of the world.

Again, do not mix their obsession with blockchain, with any benefit to Bitcoin. Their point of view is clear for that matter, nothing that they cannot control completely cannot fit into their system of government.

The level of totalitarianism can be partly determined based on whether they accept crypto or not.