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member
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March 10, 2011, 07:59:17 AM
#24
Based on travex's other posts, I think he really meant 400 MH/s.

Yeah my bad mate , actually its 400Mh/s lol =D
donator
Activity: 2058
Merit: 1054
March 10, 2011, 04:13:04 AM
#23
Based on travex's other posts, I think he really meant 400 MH/s.
donator
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Merit: 1008
March 09, 2011, 05:56:04 PM
#22
400kh/s, Average 9469 days, 4 hours, 50 minutes

~26 years
Hal
vip
Activity: 314
Merit: 4276
March 09, 2011, 04:39:55 PM
#21
Well how do you know if youve successfully resolved a block ? Been mining for almost a week with 400KH/s but still nothing in my client Bitcoin client @.@
Plug your hash rate into the Bitcoin Calculator to see how often you can expect to find a block. 400 kh/s will take over two years. That's if difficulty doesn't go up.

http://www.alloscomp.com/bitcoin/calculator.php
donator
Activity: 2058
Merit: 1054
March 09, 2011, 10:29:54 AM
#20
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You assume that the software random generator has enough entropy, but it does not.
That is only pseudo-random, and that's why i was saying that transactions add more randomness by adding more entropy to the pool.
I disagree, for this purpose the PRNG doesn't need a lot of entropy to be in practice indistinguishable from truly random. This can be verified by experiment - generate for a test block chain with no transactions, and see if any deviation from randomness can be found.

Has such experiment been ever done by anybody ?
Just in case this question is directed to me, I didn't mean to suggest I know of the experiment having been made, only that I have little doubt what its results would be. I am also interested to know if someone already did it.

Truecrypt did experiments on their alrogithms, and the result was around 70% entropy.
I seriously doubt that any no-human-interaction algorithm can do much better.
Again, I am speaking specifically about frequency of generating blocks. Standard PRNGs don't generate high-quality randomness, but generation doesn't need it either.
legendary
Activity: 1470
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March 09, 2011, 10:22:48 AM
#19
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You assume that the software random generator has enough entropy, but it does not.
That is only pseudo-random, and that's why i was saying that transactions add more randomness by adding more entropy to the pool.
I disagree, for this purpose the PRNG doesn't need a lot of entropy to be in practice indistinguishable from truly random. This can be verified by experiment - generate for a test block chain with no transactions, and see if any deviation from randomness can be found.

Has such experiment been ever done by anybody ?
Just in case this question is directed to me, I didn't mean to suggest I know of the experiment having been made, only that I have little doubt what its results would be. I am also interested to know if someone already did it.

Truecrypt did experiments on their alrogithms, and the result was around 70% entropy.
I seriously doubt that any no-human-interaction algorithm can do much better.
donator
Activity: 2058
Merit: 1054
March 09, 2011, 10:07:59 AM
#18
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You assume that the software random generator has enough entropy, but it does not.
That is only pseudo-random, and that's why i was saying that transactions add more randomness by adding more entropy to the pool.
I disagree, for this purpose the PRNG doesn't need a lot of entropy to be in practice indistinguishable from truly random. This can be verified by experiment - generate for a test block chain with no transactions, and see if any deviation from randomness can be found.

Has such experiment been ever done by anybody ?
Just in case this question is directed to me, I didn't mean to suggest I know of the experiment having been made, only that I have little doubt what its results would be. I am also interested to know if someone already did it.
legendary
Activity: 1470
Merit: 1006
Bringing Legendary Har® to you since 1952
March 09, 2011, 09:50:47 AM
#17
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You assume that the software random generator has enough entropy, but it does not.
That is only pseudo-random, and that's why i was saying that transactions add more randomness by adding more entropy to the pool.
I disagree, for this purpose the PRNG doesn't need a lot of entropy to be in practice indistinguishable from truly random. This can be verified by experiment - generate for a test block chain with no transactions, and see if any deviation from randomness can be found.

Has such experiment been ever done by anybody ?
member
Activity: 158
Merit: 10
March 09, 2011, 09:42:48 AM
#16
Yeah the hash rate is fluctuating around Tongue , I'm mining solo but seem to be this is getting now where, crap >.>

Ps: anyway if I get my first block, it will be display in the bitcoin client right ?
legendary
Activity: 1386
Merit: 1004
March 09, 2011, 08:46:20 AM
#15
Well how do you know if youve successfully resolved a block ? Been mining for almost a week with 400KH/s but still nothing in my client Bitcoin client @.@
If you are getting the hash rate readout on the miner itself and it is changing every so often it is working.  I have a 200kh/s miner that has not hit ever (14 days?).  Difficulty is going up in an hour or two and it is going to get worse.
member
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Merit: 10
March 09, 2011, 08:29:00 AM
#14
Well how do you know if youve successfully resolved a block ? Been mining for almost a week with 400KH/s but still nothing in my client Bitcoin client @.@
donator
Activity: 2058
Merit: 1054
March 09, 2011, 08:01:41 AM
#13
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You assume that the software random generator has enough entropy, but it does not.
That is only pseudo-random, and that's why i was saying that transactions add more randomness by adding more entropy to the pool.
I disagree, for this purpose the PRNG doesn't need a lot of entropy to be in practice indistinguishable from truly random. This can be verified by experiment - generate for a test block chain with no transactions, and see if any deviation from randomness can be found.

If more entropy was required then yes, I guess the transactions could help a little.
legendary
Activity: 1470
Merit: 1006
Bringing Legendary Har® to you since 1952
March 09, 2011, 06:14:33 AM
#12
FWIW, if you average 2 blocks/day, your probability of having at least 7 in a given day is 0.45%. Of course, if you run the setup for several days, your chance of it happening in one of them is much higher.

You know how prime numbers tend to group together?  I wonder if it is truly random...

It is random as long as it depends on human actions.

Human actions are generally very random. So it is random, because transactions are random enough. Unless of course, transaction data is not included in the hash, but AFAIK it is.

Hm? The transactions that occur have very little to do with your probability to find blocks. It depends on whether your PRNG generates a right nonce. To the extent that PRNGs can be considered random, so is block generation.

If transactions are also hashed, then they do have an influence on randomness.

AFAIK, the candidate block changes every time a new transaction is to be included in it, so it changes the "source" the algorithm has to hash from.

They have an influence on whether you actually found a block or not. If at some point my PRNG generated the number, say, 523789, this will or will not lead me to a valid block depending on the transactions. But they don't change the probability or statistical properties of generation. If the PRNG is random, then the transactions can't make generation any more or less random. For example, even if there are no transactions at all, generation will still be random with the same expectation.

You assume that the software random generator has enough entropy, but it does not.
That is only pseudo-random, and that's why i was saying that transactions add more randomness by adding more entropy to the pool.
donator
Activity: 2058
Merit: 1054
March 09, 2011, 12:39:36 AM
#11
FWIW, if you average 2 blocks/day, your probability of having at least 7 in a given day is 0.45%. Of course, if you run the setup for several days, your chance of it happening in one of them is much higher.

You know how prime numbers tend to group together?  I wonder if it is truly random...

It is random as long as it depends on human actions.

Human actions are generally very random. So it is random, because transactions are random enough. Unless of course, transaction data is not included in the hash, but AFAIK it is.

Hm? The transactions that occur have very little to do with your probability to find blocks. It depends on whether your PRNG generates a right nonce. To the extent that PRNGs can be considered random, so is block generation.

If transactions are also hashed, then they do have an influence on randomness.

AFAIK, the candidate block changes every time a new transaction is to be included in it, so it changes the "source" the algorithm has to hash from.

They have an influence on whether you actually found a block or not. If at some point my PRNG generated the number, say, 523789, this will or will not lead me to a valid block depending on the transactions. But they don't change the probability or statistical properties of generation. If the PRNG is random, then the transactions can't make generation any more or less random. For example, even if there are no transactions at all, generation will still be random with the same expectation.
member
Activity: 98
Merit: 20
March 08, 2011, 10:30:54 PM
#10
Just thought I would toot my horn, and brag that I solved 7 blocks yesterday on my mining cluster of 8 5970's.
I hate you!

Just kidding. Congrats!
Hal
vip
Activity: 314
Merit: 4276
March 08, 2011, 08:24:48 PM
#9
The frequency of finding blocks is an example of the Poisson distribution. Here is a good, simple page about it:

http://stattrek.com/Lesson2/Poisson.aspx

(no, that doesn't say star trek)

Here is a calculator: http://stattrek.com/Tables/Poisson.aspx. You plug in the number of blocks you should have gotten in an interval, and the number of blocks you actually did get (or think you might get). It will tell you the probably to get that many blocks, or more, or less.
hero member
Activity: 527
Merit: 500
March 08, 2011, 07:28:05 PM
#8

Oddly, 4 of the blocks were solved by a single 5970.


Hmmm... I'm interested in buying this 5970. how much?
legendary
Activity: 1470
Merit: 1006
Bringing Legendary Har® to you since 1952
March 08, 2011, 06:07:40 PM
#7
FWIW, if you average 2 blocks/day, your probability of having at least 7 in a given day is 0.45%. Of course, if you run the setup for several days, your chance of it happening in one of them is much higher.

You know how prime numbers tend to group together?  I wonder if it is truly random...

It is random as long as it depends on human actions.

Human actions are generally very random. So it is random, because transactions are random enough. Unless of course, transaction data is not included in the hash, but AFAIK it is.

Hm? The transactions that occur have very little to do with your probability to find blocks. It depends on whether your PRNG generates a right nonce. To the extent that PRNGs can be considered random, so is block generation.

If transactions are also hashed, then they do have an influence on randomness.

AFAIK, the candidate block changes every time a new transaction is to be included in it, so it changes the "source" the algorithm has to hash from.
donator
Activity: 2058
Merit: 1054
March 08, 2011, 03:47:18 PM
#6
FWIW, if you average 2 blocks/day, your probability of having at least 7 in a given day is 0.45%. Of course, if you run the setup for several days, your chance of it happening in one of them is much higher.

You know how prime numbers tend to group together?  I wonder if it is truly random...

It is random as long as it depends on human actions.

Human actions are generally very random. So it is random, because transactions are random enough. Unless of course, transaction data is not included in the hash, but AFAIK it is.

Hm? The transactions that occur have very little to do with your probability to find blocks. It depends on whether your PRNG generates a right nonce. To the extent that PRNGs can be considered random, so is block generation.
legendary
Activity: 1470
Merit: 1006
Bringing Legendary Har® to you since 1952
March 08, 2011, 03:20:53 PM
#5
You know how prime numbers tend to group together?  I wonder if it is truly random...

It is random as long as it depends on human actions.

Human actions are generally very random. So it is random, because transactions are random enough. Unless of course, transaction data is not included in the hash, but AFAIK it is.
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