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How about the news about Xi Jinping telling that he's not an enemy against the USA and they're friends?

IMHO, with these three that are mainly becoming 2 vs 1 match up. Well, obviously this politics can make us think about wider things. Whilst we're thinking about tanking and recovering economies, we probably didn't expected some resort like this to come.

In summary, all of them plays vital role to each other and their societies and economies and I like it better to compete economically rather than showing off these weapons that are just giving fear to everyone.

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This man’s talk included politics, some theories from the Cold War, and some crazy ideas, but there was no political presentation or analysis of matters or market reality, especially in markets like oil, in which politics, in addition to supply and demand, plays a pivotal role.
I see that human's desire to obtain cheap energy makes them develop innovations. The need for energy increased, so he discovered fire, then coal, internal combustion engines, gas, oil, and hydrogen. Who knows what the energy source of the future might be, but the only evidence is that the oil industry will continue for the next 20 years and that there is enough of oil and its price would be cheap.

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It's a globalized world. What happems in the West affects the East and vice-versa. If the western economy crashes down, China will also suffer, because they profit from exportations to the West. If the West can't import from China, their economy is going to ruin as well. If that is Putin's plan, that is a dumb plan.

I think what makes more sense for the East is to expect the West is going to fall, not economically, but socially and culturally. That is actually already happening as we watch the development of new generations. It's a society composed by weak individuals, ready to become slaves of a dominant force. On this aspect the East is still tougher and less influenced by celebrities, medias and hypes, although totally opressed by tyrannous governments.

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You gain a couple insights from talking to old people and those that have experienced a lot. But if you want progress, an updated outlook in life and the economy, as well as a contemporary take on things, I think the best people to ask are the younger audiences.

It could be tempting to ask old regular joes about the state of the market and how it could affect the future that we have in this industry but I don’t care for a retired person’s opinion. They know little about how the world works now cause they’ve got the goods and are living pretty comfortably now, while it’s us young folks who’s bearing the brunt of the blow.

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From my understanding, China and Russia is not trying to take over the west. What they want to do is to free the other regions of the world from the enclave the west has on them. A typical example being that the francophone countries paying tax to France. This has been going on for decades. The French impoverish these regions of the world by stealing their resources to enrich their own country and leaving these nations to die of poverty. And on top of that they tax these nations. Let's not even talk about the US.
This is more than just about oil or economics. It is more about pulling down the stronghold of the west. Maybe we are already witnessing World War III happening.

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Quote from: alastantiger on December 09, 2023, 01:10:03 PM

Quote from: Fullbear2222 on December 07, 2023, 06:04:03 AM

This what he said china and russia can not take west by Force and they know that USA low rates and oil sales have given power to USA build world strongest military.

From my understanding, China and Russia is not trying to take over the west. What they want to do is to free the other regions of the world from the enclave the west has on them. A typical example being that the francophone countries paying tax to France. This has been going on for decades. The French impoverish these regions of the world by stealing their resources to enrich their own country and leaving these nations to die of poverty. And on top of that they tax these nations. Let's not even talk about the US.
This is more than just about oil or economics. It is more about pulling down the stronghold of the west. Maybe we are already witnessing World War III happening.

While I doubt we will get to the point of another world war, as all governments know very well this will entail the use of nuclear weapons and the destruction of society as we know it, at the same time it is obvious that countries like China and Russia do not like their current station and they want to improve it, will they succeed? No one really knows but we can clearly see they are trying and I foresee this will continue for decades to come.

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None of this is for definite, its better to look at what all nations share in common which is the ability to fail. Nobody is immune and is able to just wait for an enemy to make a mistake while they make none. Russia and China both have big troubles in various ways while being very powerful nations no doubt.

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Putin have also good money from oil profit

Russia's oil requires investment and they just lost alot of capital, resources, people and technology from starting a pointless war. What occurred was a mistake and Russia is worse off now no doubt by their own hand they did this for the prospect of quite little gains. Russia as a whole is massive, good management of what they already posses is far more important then the small amount in balance by capturing the rest of Ukraine terrority. Even if success of that war did occur it would come with resistance from neighboring countries for decades, it would not be a simple gain but a liability also. Every business in the world has an account of both assets and liabilities, only a dictator would consider just a singular view of gains and it doesnt work. Russia has a much better future then just under one persons vision, I hope they will find it.

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Quote from: Fullbear2222 on December 07, 2023, 06:04:03 AM

This what he said china and russia can not take west by Force and they know that USA low rates and oil sales have given power to USA build world strongest military.

From my understanding, China and Russia is not trying to take over the west. What they want to do is to free the other regions of the world from the enclave the west has on them. A typical example being that the francophone countries paying tax to France. This has been going on for decades. The French impoverish these regions of the world by stealing their resources to enrich their own country and leaving these nations to die of poverty. And on top of that they tax these nations. Let's not even talk about the US.
This is more than just about oil or economics. It is more about pulling down the stronghold of the west. Maybe we are already witnessing World War III happening.

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Its like more or less taking winning sides and moving further with their development. Have you ever seen how China has taken sides of various countries. To develop a strategic location for import and export they tried to exchange the deal with Sri Lanka, later they also had many dealings with Pakistan with the intention to crush Indian dealings by forcing them to attack India too.

Everything had one point in common, China wanted to have long running plan to crush emerging countries around and make money out of it. I mean its like if you cant win the race then just end the competitors. Isnt it?

Thats the smell we are seeing here. The Putin and China, deadly combination ever. One is strongest player while other is strategic partner. Definitely the duo can take things to next level or just destroy the entire plan.

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These two countries are quite strong enough. Whether in every situation or in every field they are quite strong. But I have noticed one thing in them that they almost work hard in each and every field like I can say China's people are far good and far better than the people who are in Russia. But the government of Russia has some settlements out there in the next coming days and we would see that very soon.

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While Russia and China's cooperation may appear to be a united front against the US, it's essential to question the underlying motives. Is it a genuine partnership built on shared values and goals, or merely a strategic alliance aimed at challenging US dominance? The answer likely lies somewhere in between. Both countries stand to gain from their collaboration, whether it's economic benefits, political influence, or simply the ability to counterbalance American power.

However, the consequences of this geopolitical competition extend far beyond the ambitions of these major players. Innocent civilians often bear the brunt of the conflict, becoming pawns in a larger game of power. The ongoing war in Ukraine serves as a stark reminder of the human cost of these geopolitical rivalries.

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That's actually just advice from parents. and that is the true meaning of parents as people who truly understand the direction and purpose of a journey. Yes. You get the right person to analyze an incident. However, the level of truth may not be 100% absolute like the Cypto market because the market can sometimes change at any time.

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Quote from: hyudien on December 07, 2023, 06:46:29 AM

Quote from: Fullbear2222 on December 07, 2023, 06:04:03 AM

China and Putin waiting for economic chaos also they help it happens as much they could then they say ...we give you help and Western society countries don't have any other ways they will have to borrow to survive becouse they can not print money much on their own.
China Will Even give low rates Putin have also good money from oil profit he can help Western societies out with money aswell.
So that's the plan Putin and china waiting when Western countries asking help and Putin and china will help very likely.

What was the role of other countries that did not participate in this cold war? save yourself or determine your position in an alliance that is considered strong and capable of overthrowing one of your opponents? or choose to build strength during this competition of three warring nations.

This is more of a competition for these world powers, they'll want to flex their muscles with how many alliances that backs their structures. They'll want to show support for their allies when the need arises, to show the other opponents that they're leading in dominating and subtly controlling certain affairs in their allied nations. Other nations are at the mercy of choosing sides so they'll be in the good book of their preferred candidate. Or else they're on there own if a stronger force preys on their territory, especially one that is backed by a world power.

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Quote from: Fullbear2222 on December 08, 2023, 07:33:52 AM

My point is that russia got money by oil and china got allready USD and eur.
So both the russia and china will help Western countries with money since the money printer has limits USA and Europe might get some help from russia

Op, maybe you are just looking in one direction, and those things also happen, but not on a general scale, because of the pull towards a certain side, towards Russia and China.
But the current problem is that, in terms of economics, both Russia and China have been preparing for a long time and are even ready for long-term conflict. But we also need to look at China's pragmatism, as they never give it away for free, and rather their approach is extremely cunning and smart. Fuel and money are the immediate things that many people think about, but that doesn't mean they need help. Personally, I don't like conflicts, but perhaps they can't be avoided as the complexity grows.

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Everyone moves for their own interests. Likewise with every country in the world. Economic competition currently continues to occur between western and eastern countries. But for now the western economy still seems to dominate. But even so, currently I personally see that economic growth in eastern countries is actually growing no less quickly. Even in my country, although in the middle west, there is an economic crisis. In fact, here inflation can be overcome more quickly. Some wars are violent and some are subtle, such as through economics and so on. And so also in colonialism. There are countries that colonize by going to war and there are those that colonize by controlling a country's economic sector. You definitely know which countries implement this. But this will continue to happen. So we shouldn't be surprised. My country has good relations with both parties. Be it the US and Russia and even China. And I hope everything will be well forever. Because I don't like conflict and war. I don't care, they had a cold war a long time ago. As long as it doesn't disturb peace in other countries. But a cold war is much better than a direct war.

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Quote from: Litzki1990 on December 08, 2023, 09:36:58 PM

Enmity between the US and Russia has been going on for a long time, and China has become America's biggest enemy in the middle. China advances relations with those with whom the US government builds good relations, or China supports the opposite country that the US supports. American products are banned outright in China and as far as I know Chinese government officials are completely banned from using Apple products. In the war situation between Ukraine and Russia, America directly took the side of Ukraine, on the contrary, China helped Russia. Russia, China, America, these three countries are economically and technologically powerful countries in the world and the military forces of these three countries are strong enough and their military budgets are high enough.

Yes, these countries are strong economically, technologically and have quite high military strength, but in an international situation like this I notice that it is only a competition of global powers, but on the other hand I am also worried about the impact on world peace.

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Enmity between the US and Russia has been going on for a long time, and China has become America's biggest enemy in the middle. China advances relations with those with whom the US government builds good relations, or China supports the opposite country that the US supports. American products are banned outright in China and as far as I know Chinese government officials are completely banned from using Apple products. In the war situation between Ukraine and Russia, America directly took the side of Ukraine, on the contrary, China helped Russia. Russia, China, America, these three countries are economically and technologically powerful countries in the world and the military forces of these three countries are strong enough and their military budgets are high enough.

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Quote from: Fullbear2222 on December 08, 2023, 07:33:52 AM

My point is that russia got money by oil and china got allready USD and eur.
So both the russia and china will help Western countries with money since the money printer has limits USA and Europe might get some help from russia

Is that true ? Because so far I have seen from many local news that Russia will not help the US and Europe and other western countries as long as the US continues to support the war in the Middle East and continues to provide assistance for the ongoing war. I am more confident in cooperation between Russia and China in any matter, including economic matters, but for other western countries that still have one voice with the US, I think Russia and China will not support it as long as the US continues to facilitate war in the Middle East and also in Russia itself.

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Quote from: bluebit25 on December 08, 2023, 01:22:56 AM

Quote from: Fullbear2222 on December 07, 2023, 06:04:03 AM

Then they the russia and china will offering the funds to help out and then Putin and china will laugh at West as usa NATO tought they Will foolisly use war but not instead of using brutal Force to make war the Putin is old judow martail arts he knows the old method " LET the enemy crash himself " and that works Western society people are not Strong in their minds and not learning chess game and don't have stradegy but Putin and china have peceful solution.
China and Putin waiting for economic chaos also they help it happens as much they could then they say ...we give you help and Western society countries don't have any other ways they will have to borrow to survive becouse they can not print money much on their own.
China Will Even give low rates Putin have also good money from oil profit he can help Western societies out with money aswell.
So that's the plan Putin and china waiting when Western countries asking help and Putin and china will help very likely.

National interests will inevitably arise when a military conflict escalates over time, but the problems we have witnessed since the war between Russia and Ukraine partly reflect the divide between the two world powers.

But to be honest with China, I have never really felt the honesty of their foreign policy on a global level, they can be very roundabout or express direct confrontational views with any side any. Obviously, their current position gives them a much greater voice on a global scale. Most recently, with the tense developments in Myanmar, I have learned from some sources that both the US and China are supporting civil conflicts in this country. There are more and more military hot spots in the world, and there are also many speculations about WW3, so it can be believed that war is inevitable for the re-establishment of order and restructuring economic development.

My point is that russia got money by oil and china got allready USD and eur.
So both the russia and china will help Western countries with money since the money printer has limits USA and Europe might get some help from russia

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Quote from: Fullbear2222 on December 07, 2023, 06:04:03 AM

Then they the russia and china will offering the funds to help out and then Putin and china will laugh at West as usa NATO tought they Will foolisly use war but not instead of using brutal Force to make war the Putin is old judow martail arts he knows the old method " LET the enemy crash himself " and that works Western society people are not Strong in their minds and not learning chess game and don't have stradegy but Putin and china have peceful solution.
China and Putin waiting for economic chaos also they help it happens as much they could then they say ...we give you help and Western society countries don't have any other ways they will have to borrow to survive becouse they can not print money much on their own.
China Will Even give low rates Putin have also good money from oil profit he can help Western societies out with money aswell.
So that's the plan Putin and china waiting when Western countries asking help and Putin and china will help very likely.

National interests will inevitably arise when a military conflict escalates over time, but the problems we have witnessed since the war between Russia and Ukraine partly reflect the divide between the two world powers.

But to be honest with China, I have never really felt the honesty of their foreign policy on a global level, they can be very roundabout or express direct confrontational views with any side any. Obviously, their current position gives them a much greater voice on a global scale. Most recently, with the tense developments in Myanmar, I have learned from some sources that both the US and China are supporting civil conflicts in this country. There are more and more military hot spots in the world, and there are also many speculations about WW3, so it can be believed that war is inevitable for the re-establishment of order and restructuring economic development.

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