I think one of my GPUs has the the dreaded electromigration.

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Quote from: DeathAndTaxes on March 07, 2012, 05:16:19 PM

An update. Running it at 750/240 it has been stable for almost 72 hours now. Still not sure if it is EM or just maybe 1 of 3 VRMs are blown. Also no sure if it can do more than 750. I want to run it like this until either it crashes again or it lasts a week.

Don't turn it off. The first 5970 I had fail was an XFX black edition (fancy name, still just a bit of kit). It took four months to die (i.e. not turn on when cool), but even when very stuffed, it would drive a screen. Recycled the fan and heatinks

As for the RMA - I paid about 80% of new price, 2nd hand rates were still 80% of new up until a few months ago (now about 50%), and they could have denied the return because I wasn't the registered purchaser. Something better than nothing.

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An update. Running it at 750/240 it has been stable for almost 72 hours now. Still not sure if it is EM or just maybe 1 of 3 VRMs are blown. Also no sure if it can do more than 750. I want to run it like this until either it crashes again or it lasts a week.

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Quote from: PatrickHarnett on March 07, 2012, 02:28:03 PM

The 5970 was second hand, and not a bad price and having the purchase documentation was a bonus (allowing the RMA in the first place). I don't particularly like the 6970 (noisy and only single gpu).

Regardless of the price you paid, they actually "replaced" a 5970s with a 6970?

I mean by any metric you look at they robbed you:

5970
4.6 GFLOPs
$600 launch price
3200 shaders @725 MHz
Ebay value today: ~$400

6970
2.7 GFLOPs (41% less)
$370 launch price (38% less)
1536 shaders @ 880 MHz (42% less)
Ebay value today: ~$200 (50% less)

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I just RMAed a 5970 weeks ago, and since it is out of stock now, I only get my money back, so I have to hunt another 5970

one of my 5970 never has been able to run stable above 760 MHz, but it turned out to be a bad pci-e extender cable, re-soldered one of the wire and now it runs at 800+ Mhz stable

Another 5870 died after 30 seconds into mining, that is because I installed too thick heat pad on the memory thus make the GPU not able to contact the cooler surface evenly, replaced the heat pad solved the problem

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Quote from: rjk on March 07, 2012, 01:45:15 PM

The 5970 is dual GPU, and so is the 6990. If you got a single GPU card in return for a dual GPU card, then you got gyped.

Yes. But I neither the 5970's or 6990's had much availability, and from that particular supplier, I don't think they could get any (or didn't want to spend over $1000 to find a replacement).

The 5970 was second hand, and not a bad price and having the purchase documentation was a bonus (allowing the RMA in the first place). I don't particularly like the 6970 (noisy and only single gpu).

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Quote from: PatrickHarnett on March 07, 2012, 01:43:49 PM

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Quote from: PatrickHarnett on March 07, 2012, 04:32:57 AM

My cards were running 24/7 long before mining bitcoin, but not usually with over-clocks, and that helped keep temperatures sensible. The only RMA I've managed with a 5970 got me a 6970 in return - better than nothing.

I hope you mean 6990.

No. It's just a single GPU card.

As for the thermal paste suggestions, I've never had a problem on that front. I also have a friend in Germany who knows some info on the electro-migration issue, and for the volume of material that needs shifting, even for micro circuitry, his view was it is unlikely (he is another long time 24/7 gpu user).

The 5970 is dual GPU, and so is the 6990. If you got a single GPU card in return for a dual GPU card, then you got gyped.

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Quote from: DeathAndTaxes on March 07, 2012, 09:30:28 AM

Quote from: PatrickHarnett on March 07, 2012, 04:32:57 AM

My cards were running 24/7 long before mining bitcoin, but not usually with over-clocks, and that helped keep temperatures sensible. The only RMA I've managed with a 5970 got me a 6970 in return - better than nothing.

I hope you mean 6990.

No. It's just a single GPU card.

As for the thermal paste suggestions, I've never had a problem on that front. I also have a friend in Germany who knows some info on the electro-migration issue, and for the volume of material that needs shifting, even for micro circuitry, his view was it is unlikely (he is another long time 24/7 gpu user).

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Quote from: BlackPrapor on March 07, 2012, 08:57:19 AM

I had same issues with an old AMD Duron CPU. Simply repasted the thermal interface and it was running good again. Could be the same issue, that's just a guess. Is it possible that electromigration can affect FPGA/ASIC chips as well? Is there a temperature that would guarantee EM free 24/7 work?

Electromigration affects all silicon chips. Every chip ever produced will eventually be destroyed by electromigration. Lower current and lower temps could potentially make that timeline decades beyond its economical lifespan but electromigration is the wear and tear of transistor gates and is both unavoidable and irreversible.

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Quote from: PatrickHarnett on March 07, 2012, 04:32:57 AM

My cards were running 24/7 long before mining bitcoin, but not usually with over-clocks, and that helped keep temperatures sensible. The only RMA I've managed with a 5970 got me a 6970 in return - better than nothing.

I hope you mean 6990.

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I had same issues with an old AMD Duron CPU. Simply repasted the thermal interface and it was running good again. Could be the same issue, that's just a guess. Is it possible that electromigration can affect FPGA/ASIC chips as well? Is there a temperature that would guarantee EM free 24/7 work?

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Quote from: coretechs on March 06, 2012, 06:04:15 PM

One of my 5970s has a similar problem. It wont mine at 725mhz/150mhz mem/1.05v without crashing, but it runs fine at 690mhz/150mhz mem/0.95v. I always assumed it was a fried VRM because the GPU temps are fine.

Hmm it could be a bad VRM. I can't check VRM temps because it is in Linux. I may drop the card in my Windows workstation to see what VRM is reading. If one of 3 VRMs is missing in GPU-Z that is a good (well bad but clear) sign.

VRM problem is more likely. I had had several types of failures on 5970's, and if it starts more easily when cool (as opposed to when hot), runs hot with no apparent load, or freezes when load applied (especially this one) that is one of the possible symptoms of vrm fail. I'm assuming you haven't thrown it into a primary slot to look for ram failure (artefacts).

My cards were running 24/7 long before mining bitcoin, but not usually with over-clocks, and that helped keep temperatures sensible. The only RMA I've managed with a 5970 got me a 6970 in return - better than nothing.

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Away on an extended break

*notes to self*

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Quote from: John (John K.) on March 07, 2012, 03:30:16 AM

Quote from: DeathAndTaxes on March 06, 2012, 02:30:20 PM

Quote from: rjk on March 06, 2012, 02:29:01 PM

From what I hear, 5970's are being replaced by 6990s when there is a warranty claim.

Oh god.

At this point I am not sure I can even warranty it. It runs perfectly stable at stock clock and I doubt any warranty guarantees stability at > than stock clock.

Oh no. I just rma'ed a 5870 and a 5850 this week - would they give me a 6xxx card instead? Cry

lets wait until they only have 7990's.

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Quote from: DeathAndTaxes on March 06, 2012, 02:30:20 PM

Quote from: rjk on March 06, 2012, 02:29:01 PM

From what I hear, 5970's are being replaced by 6990s when there is a warranty claim.

Oh god.

At this point I am not sure I can even warranty it. It runs perfectly stable at stock clock and I doubt any warranty guarantees stability at > than stock clock.

Oh no. I just rma'ed a 5870 and a 5850 this week - would they give me a 6xxx card instead? Cry

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I have 2 like that now, they really cause problems if you plug the monitor in them. One of mine crashes if I try running cgminer off it when the card is not hot. If I run guiminer for 10 mins then switch over to cgminer it works fine.

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Interesting.

Not trying to be obvious, but i did get some of these problems when i was messing with some cards.
Turned out to be bad thermal paste, or i somewhat moved the coolers, destroying the timms.

If you didn't, remove the heat-sink and re-paste it, and check if it gets better.

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Quote from: DeathAndTaxes on March 06, 2012, 06:25:56 PM

If one of 3 VRMs is missing in GPU-Z that is a good (well bad but clear) sign.

It's better than electromigration because you can still use the card and go for max hash/watt on air by underclocking/undervolting as long as the functional VRMs don't get overloaded. It's unfortunate for your water-cooled setup though. Good luck in either case.

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Quote from: coretechs on March 06, 2012, 06:04:15 PM

One of my 5970s has a similar problem. It wont mine at 725mhz/150mhz mem/1.05v without crashing, but it runs fine at 690mhz/150mhz mem/0.95v. I always assumed it was a fried VRM because the GPU temps are fine.

Hmm it could be a bad VRM. I can't check VRM temps because it is in Linux. I may drop the card in my Windows workstation to see what VRM is reading. If one of 3 VRMs is missing in GPU-Z that is a good (well bad but clear) sign.

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5970s are notorious for that

I have one with the same problem, I actually found a (discontinued) Accelero Xtreme 5970 some place and am waiting for it to be delivered, I hope it gives me the cooling I need to keep it mining for a few more months

I know the accelero xtreme I used on one of my 5870s that the fan died was an amazing difference

this thing can mine 24/7 clocked at 950/180 - give out 430 mhash at 42 degrees (c) with 50% fans! - amazing!

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One of my 5970s has a similar problem. It wont mine at 725mhz/150mhz mem/1.05v without crashing, but it runs fine at 690mhz/150mhz mem/0.95v. I always assumed it was a fried VRM because the GPU temps are fine.

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