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legendary
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March 30, 2017, 01:42:15 AM
#93
They are just another hopeless try to change people’s mind about bitcoin, I have noticed recently that every time that the bitcoin faces a problem or the price falls down a bit, the forum starts exploding with posts about altcoins, and the best altcoin to invest in, people think that bitcoin is easily defeated and ignore the fact that it has a large community behind its back.

You are right. It has been already a known cycle in the Bitcoin community that when a problem can arise many of them are flying to many altcoins and after some days they slowly get back to Bitcoin again. So it is not surprising if a month from now the same thing can happen. Anyway, as in anything, this movement can present a good opportunity to buy some more Bitcoin...there is no need to panic as Bitcoin is already set for the future. Smiley
The user who focus only on the profit gets panic. Using it an right time the big investors buy more and more and benefit when the gradual price move takes place. Now there are people who have been profiting good with the ongoing price fluctuations.
sr. member
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March 30, 2017, 01:17:08 AM
#92
Is it just me or does it seem like there's a shill team going around? New account spreading tons of FUD. Truth is, Bitcoin is working perfectly and 90% of my transactions get confirmed within 20 mins. It is working the same as it has been for the past 8 years.
i also observed that too. that a lots of newbies are trolling around the forum. and guess what, these newbies are not literally newbies. they are bunch of experts people (im basing on the way they post in the forum) somewhat paid to troll and spread FUDs hiding on a newbie account. what a shame!
sr. member
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March 30, 2017, 12:37:35 AM
#91
Turns out BU's constitutional framework simply secures the President as a dictator over bitcoin: https://medium.com/@rextar4444/the-dictatorship-of-the-bitcoin-proletariat-a51e7cd87605

Highlights:

Quote from: BU President
There is no democratic way to kick something like this off so I am just going to be autocratic about it. I’m defining myself judge, jury and executioner (with the valuable input of those who have been interacting with me of course!) with the power to appoint the initial members. These initial members will then proceed to invite new members.

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Only members can submit proposals and such proposals must first go through the President

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In the case of abrupt departure, an interim person may be appointed by the President, including someone currently holding another role. In that case s/he will not vacate the originally elected role.

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I. Any unallocated funds raised shall be held in a 2-of-3 multi-signature account with the President, Secretary, and Developer holding the keys.

Funds donated to Bitcoin Unlimited may be applied to any purpose (including the Bitcoin Unlimited Pool) that furthers the project’s goals and is authorized by majority vote via line items in a President’s “Operational BUIP”

Donations may not be used to pay salaries, bonuses, etc. for the President, Secretary, Developer or Pool Operator. These volunteer roles are unpaid, with the expectation that these individuals will benefit from Bitcoin’s success.

However, the people fulfilling these roles may be paid upon completion of particular tasks that exceed their stated role.

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The source repository administrative account shall be held by the President.

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51% Risk
 To alleviate real or perceived risk of this pool gaining more than 50% of total network hash power, if the pool’s hash power exceeds an average of 30% for more than 30 consecutive days, it must disband into two completely separate entities with no personnel overlap.

Anyone that supports this is an enemy of decentralization.
hero member
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March 30, 2017, 12:20:22 AM
#90
They are just another hopeless try to change people’s mind about bitcoin, I have noticed recently that every time that the bitcoin faces a problem or the price falls down a bit, the forum starts exploding with posts about altcoins, and the best altcoin to invest in, people think that bitcoin is easily defeated and ignore the fact that it has a large community behind its back.

You are right. It has been already a known cycle in the Bitcoin community that when a problem can arise many of them are flying to many altcoins and after some days they slowly get back to Bitcoin again. So it is not surprising if a month from now the same thing can happen. Anyway, as in anything, this movement can present a good opportunity to buy some more Bitcoin...there is no need to panic as Bitcoin is already set for the future. Smiley
hero member
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March 29, 2017, 11:03:04 PM
#89
They are just another hopeless try to change people’s mind about bitcoin, I have noticed recently that every time that the bitcoin faces a problem or the price falls down a bit, the forum starts exploding with posts about altcoins, and the best altcoin to invest in, people think that bitcoin is easily defeated and ignore the fact that it has a large community behind its back.

This is not the first time.
They are getting higher in numbers to which wants bitcoin down. Scary.
Just for the support in their own altcoins they would do anything even if it is not true anymore.
Grab on to something bitcoin holders! There will be more to come.
They will not stop until they see the zero price of bitcoin or without value which I dont know if can be done. I doubt it.
sr. member
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March 29, 2017, 10:51:33 PM
#88
They are just another hopeless try to change people’s mind about bitcoin, I have noticed recently that every time that the bitcoin faces a problem or the price falls down a bit, the forum starts exploding with posts about altcoins, and the best altcoin to invest in, people think that bitcoin is easily defeated and ignore the fact that it has a large community behind its back.
That's true. They believe they can defeat but they don't have capacity to do that since tha foundation of bitcoin is huge and strong. I think it is a strategy of dumpers in order for them to buy more at cheaper price as they make people panic selling. And after that, they would announce great news as the reach their target and will continue placing their buy orders to pump bitcoin. Very nice strategy.
legendary
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March 29, 2017, 10:42:39 PM
#87
They are just another hopeless try to change people’s mind about bitcoin, I have noticed recently that every time that the bitcoin faces a problem or the price falls down a bit, the forum starts exploding with posts about altcoins, and the best altcoin to invest in, people think that bitcoin is easily defeated and ignore the fact that it has a large community behind its back.
sr. member
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March 29, 2017, 01:11:34 PM
#86

 

They want full blocks and a fee market because the block subsidies are diminishing.
We'll only be mining 112.5 new bitcoins a day in the year 2036, so obviously that's more
important than making sure the network runs smoothly today.
 
We don't want to attract as many users as possible so that by the time fees become
important, there will be massive transaction volume.  Instead, its surely better to just make fees expensive now
(doesn't matter if the competition has cheap fees).. because we need to establish
this fee market, you see... and get people used to high bitcoin fees.  
in the future we'll be able to get more users or just jack up the fees even more.



There are just too much good coins these days and are very innovative than BTC.
BTC however still may continue to be the number one because of its adoption, everybody knew about BTC and all these people probably never heard of Dash or ETH which is only familiar to people in the cryptoworld like us. I have been here in the forum for years and I don't hear anything about Santiment actually which ICONOMI had invested. Certainly BTC is on the losing side, they have to do something to save it or we lose satoshi.
The above two quotes are the conclusion (including the sarcasm) that one comes to when one doesn't know anything about what gives money value, which is not at all a raised transaction capacity.

These are two posters that don't know anything about economics or money theory that are continually posting looney tune character style remarks, pretending to address people (core devs) who aren't here, and have no intention of addressing such baseless and ignorant conclusions.

Money doesn't work like this^

Dash and Eth can NEVER provide what bitcoin provides as a money, and that's why bitcoin's market cap far exceeds them combined, and always will. Eth and dash would break if they had bitcoin's cap, that's why the market hasn't put such much into these breakeable coins.
legendary
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March 29, 2017, 01:11:25 PM
#85
They want full blocks and a fee market because the block subsidies are diminishing.
We'll only be mining 112.5 new bitcoins a day in the year 2036, so obviously that's more
important than making sure the network runs smoothly today.
 
We don't want to attract as many users as possible so that by the time fees become
important, there will be massive transaction volume.  Instead, its surely better to just make fees expensive now
(doesn't matter if the competition has cheap fees).. because we need to establish
this fee market, you see... and get people used to high bitcoin fees.  
in the future we'll be able to get more users or just jack up the fees even more.


Mining hardware doesn't last long, it's hash rate gets outdated quickly, depending on energy cost. I don't know the exact numbers, but I guess it's less than 2 years. That means miners don't look ahead much further, their financial interests are only short-term.


Ok.  And what does a high turnover of miners (if thats true) have to do with correct prioritization of long term security model vs short term operablility?
 



hero member
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March 29, 2017, 01:09:12 PM
#84
Mining hardware doesn't last long, it's hash rate gets outdated quickly, depending on energy cost. I don't know the exact numbers, but I guess it's less than 2 years. That means miners don't look ahead much further, their financial interests are only short-term.
I doubt Satoshi ever expected mining to become so centralized that miners can dictate block size.

Indeed.  But actually, miners don't dictate block size.  They keep the block size that Satoshi dictated.
sr. member
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March 29, 2017, 01:07:43 PM
#83
The prices have been constantly falling making it weak.

Liar.
legendary
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March 29, 2017, 12:37:05 PM
#82
They want full blocks and a fee market because the block subsidies are diminishing.
We'll only be mining 112.5 new bitcoins a day in the year 2036, so obviously that's more
important than making sure the network runs smoothly today.
 
We don't want to attract as many users as possible so that by the time fees become
important, there will be massive transaction volume.  Instead, its surely better to just make fees expensive now
(doesn't matter if the competition has cheap fees).. because we need to establish
this fee market, you see... and get people used to high bitcoin fees.  
in the future we'll be able to get more users or just jack up the fees even more.


Mining hardware doesn't last long, it's hash rate gets outdated quickly, depending on energy cost. I don't know the exact numbers, but I guess it's less than 2 years. That means miners don't look ahead much further, their financial interests are only short-term.
I doubt Satoshi ever expected mining to become so centralized that miners can dictate block size.
newbie
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March 29, 2017, 12:20:27 PM
#81
There are just too much good coins these days and are very innovative than BTC.
BTC however still may continue to be the number one because of its adoption, everybody knew about BTC and all these people probably never heard of Dash or ETH which is only familiar to people in the cryptoworld like us. I have been here in the forum for years and I don't hear anything about Santiment actually which ICONOMI had invested. Certainly BTC is on the losing side, they have to do something to save it or we lose satoshi.
I agree with your point of view.I agree with your point of view. Smiley
legendary
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March 29, 2017, 11:51:44 AM
#80
There are just too much good coins these days and are very innovative than BTC.
BTC however still may continue to be the number one because of its adoption, everybody knew about BTC and all these people probably never heard of Dash or ETH which is only familiar to people in the cryptoworld like us. I have been here in the forum for years and I don't hear anything about Santiment actually which ICONOMI had invested. Certainly BTC is on the losing side, they have to do something to save it or we lose satoshi.
legendary
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March 29, 2017, 11:44:35 AM
#79

We are having a tx jam right now, so by not increasing the blocksize limit, Blockstream/Core either have absolutely no idea what they're doing, or they're just pricks blatantly lying their asses off.


They want full blocks and a fee market because the block subsidies are diminishing.
We'll only be mining 112.5 new bitcoins a day in the year 2036, so obviously that's more
important than making sure the network runs smoothly today.
 
We don't want to attract as many users as possible so that by the time fees become
important, there will be massive transaction volume.  Instead, its surely better to just make fees expensive now
(doesn't matter if the competition has cheap fees).. because we need to establish
this fee market, you see... and get people used to high bitcoin fees.  
in the future we'll be able to get more users or just jack up the fees even more.

newbie
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March 29, 2017, 10:50:14 AM
#78
 ;DNo virtual currency can replace the BTC leader position, no one, please forgive me is an enthusiast,Wish you a happy life, my Pal
hero member
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March 29, 2017, 10:45:51 AM
#77
In the future,BITCCOIN Will also continue in the position of the virtual currency system Ranked first?

Although most of the virtual currency acquired from BTC the original design, but the virtual currency would significantly more than BTC development.

The intelligence of the ETH contract, for example, the DASH of pos node development are far more than BTC

And BTC is now facing a simple Blockchain congestion problem

In the future, all kinds of virtual currencies rise, BTC will in no. 1?

Please friendly to your comments.

I said the wrong place please correct me

My English is not very good, I'm sorry Smiley

You make good points.  Bitcoin still has potential because it is the first mover, but it is quickly losing ground to competitors.  I feel a lot of people here are in deep denial about what is really happening, but I am still hopeful.


Yes bitcoin is just the first in this area of crypto currencies and I will be not surprised to see something like Bitcoin 2.0 in nearly future. If the fork will happen maybe it will change everything that we used to count normal about bitcoin. But as I love to say - the time will show.
sr. member
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March 29, 2017, 10:08:56 AM
#76
I don't think so. The potential of Bitcoin is still there an majority of the world's population does not even know what cryptocurrency is yet. Even if Bitcoin existed for many years now Bitcoin still has an increasing in demand, to prove it to you it always recover every time it goes down, just like last year when it got down to 500$ but now we are not even done with the 1st Quarter of the year it had reached the 1200$ level. Seeing a price action this big shows that Bitcoin still has a potential to grow.
I agree with you. About the future of the Bitcoin, still it's good demand and dominated other crypto industry strongly. Following the other currencies market or compares, someone really good, but major currencies are Bitcoin also extremely potential power for over come into difficulties.
sr. member
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March 29, 2017, 10:04:29 AM
#75


Quick !  We need a King by the grace of God !  Grin

A Good and Wise King that knows what is best for us, ignorant People !

That's what decentralization is about: desire for a King that Rules, Wisely and by the Grace of Satoshi, God.
A King that reads us his (new) Law !  To bring peace on earth and benefit to my investment !
I makes complete sense that a faction of idiots would try to break the very safeguards that are securing their freedom in the first place.  That's what the whole problem Satoshi solved is, how to stop the ignorance masses from shooting themselves in the foot.  So far he's done awesome and core has held strong.
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March 29, 2017, 09:59:59 AM
#74
Do you think when Satoshi said "decentralize" and "secure" he meant, "Let all the ignorant people that are too ignorant to read the supporting literature drive the project into the ground"?

I feel like by those words, especially "security" he meant, I'm giving the keys to the project developers, don't give the keys to the ignorant idiots.

Quick !  We need a King by the grace of God !  Grin

A Good and Wise King that knows what is best for us, ignorant People !

That's what decentralization is about: desire for a King that Rules, Wisely and by the Grace of Satoshi, God.
A King that reads us his (new) Law !  To bring peace on earth and benefit to my investment !
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