I thought I would never get hacked...

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on September 07, 2023, 12:34:42 AM

Quote from: Ultegra134 on September 06, 2023, 12:19:10 PM

That's interesting; however, are you talking about the extension or the browser version?

I would presume that their Privacy Policy applies equally to all their products.

Quote from: Ultegra134 on September 06, 2023, 12:19:10 PM

Thus, I don't think what you said can be applied to those who are not using their extension, am I right?

Everything you type or paste in to their website will absolutely be being stored as described above, and unless you are using a fresh Tor identity each time, then everything you type in will be linked to everything else you type in via cookies or your browser fingerprint.

You should try looking for an open source alternative you can download and run locally. I'm afraid I have no experience of such things so can't recommend anything.

That's interesting; however, is that really necessary? My point is that my main usage of Quillbot is limited to using it to correct some grammar and punctuation mistakes, mainly on my Bitcointalk posts or when I'm writing a formal email and want to avoid any kind of grammatical mistakes. Now that I'm thinking about it, the latter doesn't sound like a good idea anymore, as such an email might be confidential, and you're practically giving your private information away.

I'm not sure, but abandoning those kinds of services or at least using them a little more conservatively might be a good idea until I can find an open-source alternative.

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Quote from: Ultegra134 on September 06, 2023, 12:19:10 PM

That's interesting; however, are you talking about the extension or the browser version?

I would presume that their Privacy Policy applies equally to all their products.

Quote from: Ultegra134 on September 06, 2023, 12:19:10 PM

Thus, I don't think what you said can be applied to those who are not using their extension, am I right?

Everything you type or paste in to their website will absolutely be being stored as described above, and unless you are using a fresh Tor identity each time, then everything you type in will be linked to everything else you type in via cookies or your browser fingerprint.

You should try looking for an open source alternative you can download and run locally. I'm afraid I have no experience of such things so can't recommend anything.

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on September 06, 2023, 12:35:47 AM

Quote from: Ultegra134 on September 05, 2023, 02:40:46 PM

I used it quite often in the past, but never bothered to read their TOS. I still have their extension installed, but as I mentioned earlier, I use Quillbot to correct any mistakes I make.

I've never heard of Quillbot before, but a quick look at their Privacy Policy isn't any better:

Quote from: Ultegra134 on September 05, 2023, 02:40:46 PM

I guess it's about time the Grammarly extension is permanently removed from my browser. It seems that not everything is as innocent as it looks.

Good idea. You should make a habit of only having the minimum number of essential browser extensions installed, such as uBlock Origin and HTTPS Everywhere. Every unnecessary extension presents a new attack surface and makes your fingerprint more unique.

That's interesting; however, are you talking about the extension or the browser version? Because it sounds way too farfetched and doesn't make too much sense. I was considering upgrading to their premium membership, but I'm having second thoughts. I'm only using their website and haven't installed their extension, as I'm trying to avoid more unnecessary ones that slow down the browser even more. Thus, I don't think what you said can be applied to those who are not using their extension, am I right? At least, they cannot obtain as much information as their privacy policy claims.

I'm starting to think that every website or extension is a possible threat to your security and privacy. I've become a little paranoid after suffering from a fake Google Sheets extension.

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Quote from: Ultegra134 on September 03, 2023, 08:38:44 AM

Quote from: Synchronice on August 01, 2023, 05:13:02 AM

Please, don't use Grammarly if you want to remain anonymous online under different names on different platforms. They record every sentence that you type, then analyze your writing ability, your writing style, manner, etc.
In order to improve your writing ability and expand your vocabulary, I suggest you to use Cambridge books, personally I love them and Thomas BJ has great books for vocabulary and idioms.

I was also using the Grammarly extension in the past but have now switched to Quillbot's platform, which, in my opinion, is far better. However, do you have a source for your statement? It sounds too far-fetched that it's gathering your data and possibly abusing it.

Here you can see it: What Information Does Grammarly Process or Collect?.
It is not a bold statement and doesn't really need source to prove it. It's simple, it's business and we all know that these companies use every piece of our data to improve their product, improve their marketing and increase their sales, also to spy on us.

Quote from: Ultegra134 on September 05, 2023, 02:40:46 PM

I used it quite often in the past, but never bothered to read their TOS. I still have their extension installed, but as I mentioned earlier, I use Quillbot to correct any mistakes I make. I guess it's about time the Grammarly extension is permanently removed from my browser. It seems that not everything is as innocent as it looks.

Maybe we should popularize the idea of Fuck Grammarly Ask Me?
I used to believe that businesses were doing what they were saying but when I grew up and started work, I understood that absolutely everything is a lie in every industry with only a few exceptions, there are only a few, probably one in a million companies/people that really back up their words and are honest. Otherwise, not only Grammarly but even food industry is a big joke and lie when they write down Organic on their product.

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Quote from: Ultegra134 on September 05, 2023, 02:40:46 PM

I used it quite often in the past, but never bothered to read their TOS. I still have their extension installed, but as I mentioned earlier, I use Quillbot to correct any mistakes I make.

I've never heard of Quillbot before, but a quick look at their Privacy Policy isn't any better:

Quote from: Ultegra134 on September 05, 2023, 02:40:46 PM

I guess it's about time the Grammarly extension is permanently removed from my browser. It seems that not everything is as innocent as it looks.

Good idea. You should make a habit of only having the minimum number of essential browser extensions installed, such as uBlock Origin and HTTPS Everywhere. Every unnecessary extension presents a new attack surface and makes your fingerprint more unique.

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Quote from: BitMaxz on September 03, 2023, 06:39:24 PM

The Cambridge book and Thomas BJ are not free you can find them on Amazon.

I know Quilbot and tried that thing but it edited my posts and it's flagged as AI-generated text when checked it to CopyLeaks AI checker.
I'm fine using Grammarly I just only use it for auto capital, auto-correct wrong spelling, punctuation, and synonyms.

Maybe the absence of mistakes and a near perfect grammar and punctuation show up as a red flag to some AI detectors. I can't think of anything else.

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on September 04, 2023, 01:39:26 AM

Their Privacy Policy: https://www.grammarly.com/privacy-policy#sectionSingleColumn_51qLjMIKnP2BOgokskyVEE

They collect "Account information" including your name and email, "Device information" including your IP address, location, and browser fingerprint, and "User content" including "all the text you enter". So yes, Grammarly is a keylogger, not just logging everything that you type, but linking it all to your real identity.

If you do a quick web search, you'll find that lots of large tech companies and government departments have Grammarly and other such software blacklisted from all their devices. This should tell you everything you need to know.

I used it quite often in the past, but never bothered to read their TOS. I still have their extension installed, but as I mentioned earlier, I use Quillbot to correct any mistakes I make. I guess it's about time the Grammarly extension is permanently removed from my browser. It seems that not everything is as innocent as it looks.

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Quote from: Ultegra134 on September 03, 2023, 08:38:44 AM

However, do you have a source for your statement? It sounds too far-fetched that it's gathering your data and possibly abusing it.

Their Privacy Policy: https://www.grammarly.com/privacy-policy#sectionSingleColumn_51qLjMIKnP2BOgokskyVEE

They collect "Account information" including your name and email, "Device information" including your IP address, location, and browser fingerprint, and "User content" including "all the text you enter". So yes, Grammarly is a keylogger, not just logging everything that you type, but linking it all to your real identity.

If you do a quick web search, you'll find that lots of large tech companies and government departments have Grammarly and other such software blacklisted from all their devices. This should tell you everything you need to know.

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Quote from: Ultegra134 on September 03, 2023, 08:38:44 AM

I was also using the Grammarly extension in the past but have now switched to Quillbot's platform, which, in my opinion, is far better. However, do you have a source for your statement? It sounds too far-fetched that it's gathering your data and possibly abusing it.

The Cambridge book and Thomas BJ are not free you can find them on Amazon.

I know Quilbot and tried that thing but it edited my posts and it's flagged as AI-generated text when checked it to CopyLeaks AI checker.
I'm fine using Grammarly I just only use it for auto capital, auto-correct wrong spelling, punctuation, and synonyms.

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I think it best not to keep all eggs in one basket.
One wallet to receive and send, one to keep or severall even better.

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Quote from: Synchronice on August 01, 2023, 05:13:02 AM

Quote from: BitMaxz on July 28, 2023, 07:32:57 AM

Possibly that's the reason why you've been hacked any 3rd party keyboard has some sort of cloud database that records your keystroke. I'm always using the default keyboard than using like Swiftlkey or Grammarly because they record my clipboard and keystroke. However, sometimes I use Grammarly but switch it back to the default keyboard when typing a password.

Please, don't use Grammarly if you want to remain anonymous online under different names on different platforms. They record every sentence that you type, then analyze your writing ability, your writing style, manner, etc.
In order to improve your writing ability and expand your vocabulary, I suggest you to use Cambridge books, personally I love them and Thomas BJ has great books for vocabulary and idioms.

I was also using the Grammarly extension in the past but have now switched to Quillbot's platform, which, in my opinion, is far better. However, do you have a source for your statement? It sounds too far-fetched that it's gathering your data and possibly abusing it.

I'm sorry for the OP's loss; fortunately, it wasn't an extravagant amount; it could have been a lot worse. Is it actually possible that the Swift keyboard application leaked his seed phrase? That would stink big time, but at least you have something to suspect. I also got scammed by malware approximately a year ago, and I have nothing to hold accountable for its installation, which in my opinion is a lot worse.

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Quote from: Lida93 on August 28, 2023, 01:44:48 PM

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Quote from: Lida93 on August 28, 2023, 12:44:59 PM

At this junction I take my bow not to return to this same discuss believing we are at square with it.

Hey mate, I understood everything apart from this sentence. Sorry but English is not my native language.

What I mean by that is that at this point of
the discussion am sure we've both understood each other's point.

Absolutely! cheers!

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Quote from: apogio on August 28, 2023, 12:56:24 PM

Quote from: Lida93 on August 28, 2023, 12:44:59 PM

At this junction I take my bow not to return to this same discuss believing we are at square with it.

Hey mate, I understood everything apart from this sentence. Sorry but English is not my native language.

What I mean by that is that at this point of
the discussion am sure we've both understood each other's point.

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Quote from: Lida93 on August 28, 2023, 12:44:59 PM

At this junction I take my bow not to return to this same discuss believing we are at square with it.

Hey mate, I understood everything apart from this sentence. Sorry but English is not my native language.

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Quote from: apogio on August 28, 2023, 11:27:31 AM

Quote from: Lida93 on August 28, 2023, 10:58:55 AM

Quote from: apogio on July 27, 2023, 12:31:55 PM

I don't know you the thief is, but I really wish that they lose all of their belongings.

You don't need to know the thief and I think those wish/swear words of yours are unnecessary and the occurrence will repeat itself if you don't take appropriate measures to safely keep your private keys in place. I believe your funds weren't gotten access to because you're using a wallet with 12 private keys, same would have happened even if it was a 24 private keys phrase because this seems to happen due to a malware (maybe from a careless use of it online) or you exposure to a third party unknowingly to you. Swearing won't help but taken adequate measure towards your security online will do just fine.

Ok. I have noted that but I will keep swearing against anyone when they get unauthorized access to my coins. Apart from that, there are 3 pages in this thread where we go into detail in regards to the mistake I ve made. If you leave the door open at night, it is a stupidity. But this doesn't mean someone has any right to get inside and steal.

You're absolutely right mate no one has a right to walk into another privacy and steal a property, but not everyone will behave or think in the way you do. The world has gone beyond were people take to heart between what's bad and what's good. So you should be able to embrace between what it is from what ought to be, and take your security above anything else.

So like the saying goes, when you're in Rome you behave like a Roman. Which literally mean, in a world like this never be stupid to leave your door open, there could be someone nextdoor waiting for the opportunity to hup in at any slightest chance to steal from you. Apply this ideology same to your wallet private keys.
At this junction I take my bow not to return to this same discuss believing we are at square with it.

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Quote from: Lida93 on August 28, 2023, 10:58:55 AM

Quote from: apogio on July 27, 2023, 12:31:55 PM

I don't know you the thief is, but I really wish that they lose all of their belongings.

You don't need to know the thief and I think those wish/swear words of yours are unnecessary and the occurrence will repeat itself if you don't take appropriate measures to safely keep your private keys in place. I believe your funds weren't gotten access to because you're using a wallet with 12 private keys, same would have happened even if it was a 24 private keys phrase because this seems to happen due to a malware (maybe from a careless use of it online) or you exposure to a third party unknowingly to you. Swearing won't help but taken adequate measure towards your security online will do just fine.

Ok. I have noted that but I will keep swearing against anyone when they get unauthorized access to my coins. Apart from that, there are 3 pages in this thread where we go into detail in regards to the mistake I ve made. If you leave the door open at night, it is a stupidity. But this doesn't mean someone has any right to get inside and steal.

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Quote from: apogio on July 27, 2023, 12:31:55 PM

I don't know you the thief is, but I really wish that they lose all of their belongings.

You don't need to know the thief and I think those wish/swear words of yours are unnecessary and the occurrence will repeat itself if you don't take appropriate measures to safely keep your private keys in place. I believe your funds weren't gotten access to because you're using a wallet with 12 private keys, same would have happened even if it was a 24 private keys phrase because this seems to happen due to a malware (maybe from a careless use of it online) or you exposure to a third party unknowingly to you. Swearing won't help but taken adequate measure towards your security online will do just fine.

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So, it seems as though it was your own mistake and the way you handled your seed... right? I am very cautious when it comes to things like my Private keys... and even things like browser hijacking. (Clipboard hacks)

I regard a seed phrase or private key as being compromised, if it has been used even once. People record your online sessions or they use key capturing software, so if you put it online... then it is perceived as being compromised. Roll Eyes

We learn from our mistakes.... but the loss are still real and the feeling of your security being breached are frustrating AF!

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Quote from: LoyceV on July 27, 2023, 12:55:50 PM

Quote from: apogio on July 27, 2023, 12:54:49 PM

I am starting to think that I must create another wallet where each cosigner is 24 words long. Should I? Or am I ok?

I trust 12 seed words. You should look elsewhere, changing to 24 words will only give you a false sense of security.

That’s only what could result out of doubting the system but, it leads to you being more cautious of the possibility of a theft haven’t had one. Though, 24 seed phrases puts more difficulty in the event of a guess if that could have been the case which I doubt.
You just might have made some error with your security at OP as, being totally secure and have a wallet that comes with a seed phrase or private key hacked is unheard of.

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Quote from: Synchronice on August 02, 2023, 03:37:32 AM

Quote from: Findingnemo on August 02, 2023, 02:33:51 AM

The dude is living in the old days Cheesy

even though it is good to read books and acquire knowledge from it the effort needed is like pain in the ass and I am not sure is there anyone willing to give such effort when we have an alternative that does the same job for free via tools such as Grammarly.

If I am not wrong in android, Grammarly is available in the keyboard format alone which is not really helpful because the built-in dictionary is almost available on all keyboards including the stock ones so there is no need to trust another one 3rd party app with our sensitive data.

Grammarly is good when we use it on a PC in the form of an extension so it can only collect the data from that particular browser alone not from the entire device.

I am not living in the old days and it's not pain in the ass to read and study from books, actually, Grammarly is only doing bad for you. When you make yourself dependent on 3rd party apps to write in English, then your brain gets a little bit lazy and over time, you'll understand that this tool stopped you from learning English. Also, you can't use Grammarly when you travel and have to speak in English with different people, you can't use Grammarly when you speak to the audience in English.

I appreciate that you have your own way of learning vocabulary but for me, it's really not needed so I am saying I stick with the things that work fine for me.

Just like every innovation which is more towards reducing the workload and if you say it will make us stop the evolution then it's not true.

I am not a motivational speaker neither travel a lot but for the sake of communication, I think I knew enough.

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Quote from: BitMaxz on August 01, 2023, 12:02:24 PM

Quote from: Synchronice on August 01, 2023, 05:13:02 AM

Please, don't use Grammarly if you want to remain anonymous online under different names on different platforms. They record every sentence that you type, then analyze your writing ability, your writing style, manner, etc.
In order to improve your writing ability and expand your vocabulary, I suggest you to use Cambridge books, personally I love them and Thomas BJ has great books for vocabulary and idioms.

Thanks for the suggestion but I don't have a budget to buy these books do you have any free source?
I'm only using Grammarly sometimes when writing some content here or in WP blogs but when typing a password or copying/pasting some important details I always switch it back to the default keyboard(Samsung keyboard).

Okay, I'm talking about these books:
Elementary/Intermediate/Advanced Vocabulary Paper (Skills) by Thomas (Choose your level).
Cambridge Advanced Grammar in Use

I guess you can find their PDF versions online but if you can't but you really need these books, check them if are available in your country, to understand if you really like and plan to read & do exams in those books and I'll buy them for you.

Quote from: Findingnemo on August 02, 2023, 02:33:51 AM

The dude is living in the old days Cheesy

even though it is good to read books and acquire knowledge from it the effort needed is like pain in the ass and I am not sure is there anyone willing to give such effort when we have an alternative that does the same job for free via tools such as Grammarly.

If I am not wrong in android, Grammarly is available in the keyboard format alone which is not really helpful because the built-in dictionary is almost available on all keyboards including the stock ones so there is no need to trust another one 3rd party app with our sensitive data.

Grammarly is good when we use it on a PC in the form of an extension so it can only collect the data from that particular browser alone not from the entire device.

I am not living in the old days and it's not pain in the ass to read and study from books, actually, Grammarly is only doing bad for you. When you make yourself dependent on 3rd party apps to write in English, then your brain gets a little bit lazy and over time, you'll understand that this tool stopped you from learning English. Also, you can't use Grammarly when you travel and have to speak in English with different people, you can't use Grammarly when you speak to the audience in English.

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