Give how we still haven't figured out the use of "ignore" feature on noisome trolls I wouldn't put too much hope on being entrusted with a "demerit" feature.
Ignore hardly works. I have some people on ignore, I don't mean that the feature itself doesn't ignore posters/posts-- it does.
For the kind of poster where just hiding their post is enough you can just have your Mark 1.0 meat computer ignore it for you. The people you need a feature for are the ones that you can't just move your eyes past their posts--the ones who continually derail almost every thread they walk into, who take each thread as an opportunity to derail it onto their pet offtopic subject, etc. In these cases most of the effect ignore has is handicapping your ability to push things back on topic with a quick response to the thread pulling back in that direction.
I mostly use ignore as a way to flag people as "I've already concluded this person is reliably an idiot, don't be surprised when the hidden content is stupid.", and end up reading their posts anyways.
You could perhaps imagine a situation where enough forum members coordinated to ignore a poster that ignore would actually work but even then hapless newbies would keep wandering in and getting sucked into the stupid or debating the stupid.
Another way to look at it is that right now low quality posts have only a few ways of handling them: Ignore them and hope they don't keep doing damage, try to rebuff them at depth which sometimes is a waste of time and just fuels the stupid (and also bumps the thread!), have a mod delete them, have a mod move them off to someplace else where they're more on topic (or a cesspool that everyone sane ignores), go get the user flagged or banned... etc. Other than the first two, these are all pretty drastic measures.
Moreover they're just not very satisfying nothing like a face stab button.
Regardless, thanks for the discussion and for listening to me vent.
Perhaps then some strict detailed guidelines for permitted flow could be useful if enforced consistently.
I mean removing merit would do little to solve the issue you seem to be having with some members constantly derailing your threads with blatant stupidity for their fav pet unrelated subject. . Removing their merit seems fruitless how would this help prevent it? Perhaps they dont care about merit? Why not delete their post as off topic and irrelevant if it actually is?
Or are you allowing suchmoon off topic post to derail you off on to a tangent?
Let me help drag this back on topic.
Demeriting incorrect, false and malicious bullshit that is used at times for shilling scams as you specifically said. That's the topic right?
Like the example I provided here where a pal of yours deliberately spreads Incorrect false and malicious lies to shill his bags of scam coins?
I am simply asking for clarity. These are specifically the types of false and malicious shilling posts you want to stab people in the face for correct?
Or is the face stabbing criteria different for different members?
Strange how this seems like a refusal to engage on directly on topic posts but indulge some more of topic comments by suchmoon.
Permitted flow should be thrashed out and detailed specifically and transparently for all members.
If people claim direct examples of the specifically detailed behaviour being discussed in the OP is off topic garbage to be ignored then that is rather funny. No wonder there is so much confusion .
A merit from foxpup is pretty much a warning sign. He has stated previously his opinions are not based on reason.
There is a feast awaiting the demerit vampires with foxpups handouts.
So that I get exactly what you are requesting GM
In the example ( that I provided) where lauda ( darkcoin bag holder) turns up to a thread discussing the proven premine of dark coin and starts posting he was on the launch and could confirm there was no premine. Posting false and malicious shilling crap to push his scam coins he was holding.
He continues to claim for many post for many months even though it was documented ( later the devs offer compensation for the premine and lauda confirms it was premined scam)
Then another member merits his bogus, false and malicious shilling lies.
Do you want to stab in the face
A / lauda
B / the person giving laudas malicious false shilling lies merit?
C/ all of the above
Please investigate and clarify so we can continue with the strictly on topic and relevant discussion.
Or am I unwittingly going off topic and derailing this thread by proving exactly examples of what you mention and ask for clarity and confirmation.
With the 1000 earned merits suggestion. Can you detail why this is in your mind the specific and most appropriate requirement for demeritting powers?
Don't be afraid to just be honest GM
Just say : yes laudas malicious incorrect and false lies are specifically the kinds of posts where I want to stab them In the face, I would also like to stab in the face those giving merit to those posts if that is what you feel like also.
What is hard about this ?
Then say 1000 merits is a good requirement to engage demerit powers because....Xxx
No hard math though I dont understand all that numbers and wiggles lines stuff. Just straightforward explanation in simple terms.
Please don't feel I wish to derail or even dispute the need for demerit powers.
Why does everyone here wish to avoid discussing the core points in their OP once you introduce some specific on topic and relevant examples? Is it because they wish their " suggestions or wishes" are only directed at some members and not all members equally?
Should we support this as a community?
@PN7
This is about removing merit not the post entirely right?
You would not hide or remove their post ?
