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Quote from: drakahn on August 13, 2012, 10:57:53 AM

If it is stuck on an unused account and changed to a used one, sure its fine to change them, in the case mentioned above where it could be monetised, "unregistered" firstbits would be listed as such, and subject to change should someone register it

Who determines "stuck in an unused address"? Say I have FirstBits address 1Crypto. I go to jail for 20 years but during those 20 years people keep sending funds to 1Crypto. When I get out I learn that oops 19.9 years ago someone got 1Crypto changed to a different address.

Now lets make it more complicated. Right now the way firstbit works is every client, website, user who uses firstbits SCANS the blockchain to find the first usage of an address matching the prefix. There is no communication required to a central authority or a list of unregistered addresses.

Say genuinely 1gig could be reassigned. How do you notify every user on the planet using a variety of websites, exchanges, clients that 1gig not points to a different address? What if some of those users are running clients which aren't updated? They keep sending funds to the wrong address?

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"Vanity addresses are a bad idea"?

They break the psuedo-anonymity of the bitcoin address scheme.

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and firstbits only work if the addresses are deterministic? what? ... please explain.

deterministic as in from now until the end of time the "firstbit" of every single bitcoin address can be determined with nothing but an algorithm and the blockchain. If addresses could be reserved, or assigned, or reassigned that wouldn't be possible.

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Quote from: unclemantis on August 13, 2012, 07:15:58 AM

Who owns 1GiGKdNCywjPxdXEg6PbPtXWYNZStFoSfr?

I am interested in this address and the keypair that goes along with it.

Who owns this address?

If I had the key and gave it to you, you would have to trust me to destroy it and not use it to steal your funds at some point in the future.

good point!

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Sooo.. with all the spam from people reserving "first"bits, how about creating a service for "second"bits? Grin

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speaking of firstbits, someone reserved a shit ton of them with some common words back a year ago
http://blockchain.info/tx-index/1089526/92eef0f0a860e295001d0b4fbdcd5ffb49b60f08bd3a54215da9cfc67fd9d9e5

just found it by querying some of mine vangen addies. gotta move few satoshies to few that didn't show up yet.

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Quote from: unclemantis on August 13, 2012, 07:15:58 AM

Who owns 1GiGKdNCywjPxdXEg6PbPtXWYNZStFoSfr?

I am interested in this address and the keypair that goes along with it.

Who owns this address?

If I had the key and gave it to you, you would have to trust me to destroy it and not use it to steal your funds at some point in the future.

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OK, I agree, now it is silly.

But what ever happened to the addresses that start with 3? Did that BIP ever pass? Is it deployed yet? What is the schedule?

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Quote from: phatsphere on August 13, 2012, 10:47:55 AM

Quote from: drakahn on August 13, 2012, 10:31:35 AM

of course, it may also be possible to generate a new 1gig address and ask firstbits to change 1gig to your one, making the case that you would actually use it.

that's ridiculous. e.g. sites like blockchain.info don't query this "firstbit database". there is a set of rules which determine the firstbit address and that's it.

what you think about is something like btc.to

I cannot imagine it would be hard to add the ability to do as I said, and if I was running the site I would do it, But then, I would have had it from the start, to deal with copyright claims and the such which will come as bitcoins grow in popularity, if 1coke is already gone do you think coke would just allow me to list 1coke as an address that isn't theirs? not to mention if there was a demand I could monetise the registration of firstbits on top of the "ruleset"
And for something like 1gig that is useful to the OP but being taken up by an unused and possibly lost address... Its just silly to say "THEMS THE RULES"
I also never said blockchain.info queries firstbits, no idea what you are smoking with that one

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Quote from: drakahn on August 13, 2012, 10:31:35 AM

of course, it may also be possible to generate a new 1gig address and ask firstbits to change 1gig to your one, making the case that you would actually use it.

Would you rely on firstbits if someone could change it? Vanity addresses are a bad idea but firstbits only works if the addresses are deterministic. 1gig will always be the first address beginning with 1gig that had a tx in the blockchain.

If it is stuck on an unused account and changed to a used one, sure its fine to change them, in the case mentioned above where it could be monetised, "unregistered" firstbits would be listed as such, and subject to change should someone register it
"Vanity addresses are a bad idea"? and firstbits only work if the addresses are deterministic? what? ... please explain.

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Quote from: phatsphere on August 13, 2012, 10:47:55 AM

that's ridiculous. e.g. sites like blockchain.info don't query this "firstbit database". there is a set of rules which determine the firstbit address and that's it.

I don't think that this is correct as I have created vanity addresses whose "firstbits" don't show up on blockchain.info until sometimes as many as 10 confirmations (which is when they seem to first appear on firstbits.com).

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Quote from: drakahn on August 13, 2012, 10:31:35 AM

of course, it may also be possible to generate a new 1gig address and ask firstbits to change 1gig to your one, making the case that you would actually use it.

Would you rely on firstbits if someone could change it? Vanity addresses are a bad idea but firstbits only works if the addresses are deterministic. 1gig will always be the first address beginning with 1gig that had a tx in the blockchain.

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Quote from: drakahn on August 13, 2012, 10:31:35 AM

of course, it may also be possible to generate a new 1gig address and ask firstbits to change 1gig to your one, making the case that you would actually use it.

that's ridiculous. e.g. sites like blockchain.info don't query this "firstbit database". there is a set of rules which determine the firstbit address and that's it.

what you think about is something like btc.to

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Quote from: cbeast on August 13, 2012, 10:03:49 AM

This thread is silly.

why? It is possible there is some miner somewhere still active in bitcoins that mined that block, got those firstbits and hasn't had a need to use that specific 50btc input

of course, it may also be possible to generate a new 1gig address and ask firstbits to change 1gig to your one, making the case that you would actually use it.

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Let's talk governance, lipstick, and pigs.

This thread is silly.

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Quote from: drakahn on August 13, 2012, 09:09:27 AM

Quote from: BurtW on August 13, 2012, 09:00:40 AM

Would 3gig be good enough for you? Just curious.

there are addresses that start with 3?

It has been a while since I looked into it but a while back that was the designation for a script based address. If still true then eventually there will be addresses that start with 3. Others that keep up on these things more than I can answer the question.

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Quote from: BurtW on August 13, 2012, 09:00:40 AM

Would 3gig be good enough for you? Just curious.

there are addresses that start with 3?

BurtW

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Would 3gig be good enough for you? Just curious.

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(:firstbits => "1mantis")

Well it would be cool if someone still had the private key!

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Quote from: unclemantis on August 13, 2012, 07:51:42 AM

Quote from: TTBit on August 13, 2012, 07:50:42 AM

First seen march of 2010. Coins were under 5 cents back then. My guess is those coins / private key are gone.

The coins are still intact.

I am interested in this entire address for the whole sake that the first bits is 1gig.

If someone who is not the original owner can get you the private key to that address, well, bitcoin is finished.
And would you use an address that someone else has the private key for? LOL

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Quote from: unclemantis on August 13, 2012, 07:51:42 AM

Quote from: TTBit on August 13, 2012, 07:50:42 AM

First seen march of 2010. Coins were under 5 cents back then. My guess is those coins / private key are gone.

The coins are still intact.

I am interested in this entire address for the whole sake that the first bits is 1gig.

My point is that bitcoin in March of 2010 was thought of as an experiment. These coins were certainly mined on a CPU (Difficulty of 4). People who generated a block didn't think about backing wallets, as the coins were worthless.

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firstbits:1MinerQ

Looks like it was a mined block output on Mar. 8th 2010.
Good luck finding who owns it!
Some people back then didn't even bother saving their addresses/keys due to low value.

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(:firstbits => "1mantis")

Quote from: TTBit on August 13, 2012, 07:50:42 AM

First seen march of 2010. Coins were under 5 cents back then. My guess is those coins / private key are gone.

The coins are still intact.

I am interested in this entire address for the whole sake that the first bits is 1gig.

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