I wish we could ban buying & selling of accounts. - page 2.

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I ask because my wife just got scammed, and she says there`s no point doing anything about it, because the scammer will just disappear and start a new account. If she says nothing, she can at least find his posts and stop someone else from buying from him. It doesn`t seem like a good way to build trust in forum members.

You're wife was actually on Bitcointalk and trying to use Bitcoin to buy an account? Brb, need to start buying up more Bitcoin and get ready to sell, price spike incoming.

But seriously, the mods haven't interfered with personal disputes over at trade with real items, they're not likely to go and do it over some virtual ones just because of some newfound outrage about it.

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Quote from: erikalui on July 25, 2015, 03:07:28 PM

It just came to my notice last week that Default Trust accounts too are sold here and may be escrow accounts too. This account sales happen privately and with the result nobody knows who is the new owner of the account and such accounts deserve a negative trust to prove that they are sold but nobody cares. I sometimes wish that Signature Campaigns are banned so that account sales will reduce in number.

is there a list of default trust accounts?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust
DT users are listed there. the ~~crossed~~ (have (-1) or lower beside their name) don't count. your name will be listed there but it will have a "(0)" beside it so that doesn't count.

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Quote from: erikalui on July 25, 2015, 03:07:28 PM

It just came to my notice last week that Default Trust accounts too are sold here and may be escrow accounts too. This account sales happen privately and with the result nobody knows who is the new owner of the account and such accounts deserve a negative trust to prove that they are sold but nobody cares. I sometimes wish that Signature Campaigns are banned so that account sales will reduce in number.

is there a list of default trust accounts?

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It just came to my notice last week that Default Trust accounts too are sold here and may be escrow accounts too. This account sales happen privately and with the result nobody knows who is the new owner of the account and such accounts deserve a negative trust to prove that they are sold but nobody cares. I sometimes wish that Signature Campaigns are banned so that account sales will reduce in number.

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It would be a waste of time, I think. There are way more stuff to deal with. How about we get a few more features, rather than have the mods intervene in other people's businesses.

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Quote from: ndnh on July 25, 2015, 12:21:11 AM

I'd say stop all transfers of accounts. Signature campaigns are not supposed to be taken as a job or business or something.

Positives:
1. Reduces spam.
2. Reduces multiple accounts.
3. Less number of scams.
4. Makes trust feedbacks more meaningful.
.. and a lot more.

+1 on this.

But we can't stop it and that's the point. Banning the sale of them here will be utterly futile and only give the impression that it doesn't happen and give a false sense of security to many people. People will still sell them off site anyway and scams would likely go up both for people getting scammed trying to buy accounts and users on here who think an acccount couldn't possibly be bought therefore it is trustworthy. Accounts sales are allowed because like it or not there is nothing that can be realistically done about it and any way we tried to police or restrict it would just be a waste of time.

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I agree.

I still have some accounts that I got as a collateral but never used (doesn't even remember the password to be honest). Never sold a single account, since I don't want to spam for the sake of activity, nor sell it so that it eventually goes to someone who doesn't have a good intention.

I'd say stop all transfers of accounts. Signature campaigns are not supposed to be taken as a job or business or something.

Positives:
1. Reduces spam.
2. Reduces multiple accounts.
3. Less number of scams.
4. Makes trust feedbacks more meaningful.
.. and a lot more.

+1 on this.

Quote from: SatHunter on July 24, 2015, 04:57:55 PM

Why do we allow accounts to be bought and sold? Who does it really help?

If we want to build up trust, and cut down on scams, shouldn`t we make people responsible for their actions? If someone gets banned now, can`t they just open a new account? You can yell scam all day long, but the scammer can just shrug and open a new account.

As well, you can`t relie on a person`s account to tell you anything. A senior member could have bought the account 2 hours ago. A newbie could be a senior member who just sold their account. People can have 3 or 4 or more accounts, and slowly be building up their post count, ready to sell them.

I ask because my wife just got scammed, and she says there`s no point doing anything about it, because the scammer will just disappear and start a new account. If she says nothing, she can at least find his posts and stop someone else from buying from him. It doesn`t seem like a good way to build trust in forum members.

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Quote from: SatHunter on July 24, 2015, 05:21:58 PM

Just about the policing of accounts - couldn`t it be done based on the user`s ip address? Allow 1 account per ip address, and don`t allow it to change.

Nope. People often use tor to access the forum (which forces you to change your IP address every ~10 minutes), along with VPNs (which would make it easy to sell an account and then, based on IP addresses alone, make it appear that the account was not sold).

The forum generally believes in the free market, and there is no real reason to restrict a market. If there is value to something (an account) then there is no reason to restrict the trade of that item.

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Quote from: SatHunter on July 24, 2015, 05:21:58 PM

Just about the policing of accounts - couldn`t it be done based on the user`s ip address? Allow 1 account per ip address, and don`t allow it to change.

What happens when you are travelling, or your ISP switches IP, or you move, or you switch your ISP, or you want to stay hidden over VPN or tor, or .... you get the idea? Its impossible to do this way.

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Quote from: SatHunter on July 24, 2015, 05:21:58 PM

Just about the policing of accounts - couldn`t it be done based on the user`s ip address? Allow 1 account per ip address, and don`t allow it to change.

I don't know about everyone else. but my IP address changes from time to time.
also I accidentally visited this site with proxy a few times.

oh, and phones.

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Just about the policing of accounts - couldn`t it be done based on the user`s ip address? Allow 1 account per ip address, and don`t allow it to change.

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Quote from: SatHunter on July 24, 2015, 04:57:55 PM

Why do we allow accounts to be bought and sold? Who does it really help?

So we can have this discussion over and over again.

#1 its impossible to moderate (no thats not a valid reason for many)
#2 it increases the price on scams based on rank
#3 it helps those that are able to sell accounts, which might be aquired through a defaulted loan where the account was used as security
#4 it helps someone that wants to post without restrictions

Quote from: SatHunter on July 24, 2015, 04:57:55 PM

If we want to build up trust, and cut down on scams, shouldn`t we make people responsible for their actions? If someone gets banned now, can`t they just open a new account? You can yell scam all day long, but the scammer can just shrug and open a new account.

That has nothing to do with trading accounts or banning trades with accounts. Are you trying to prevent alt accounts in general or just the trading with accounts?

Quote from: SatHunter on July 24, 2015, 04:57:55 PM

As well, you can`t relie on a person`s account to tell you anything. A senior member could have bought the account 2 hours ago. A newbie could be a senior member who just sold their account. People can have 3 or 4 or more accounts, and slowly be building up their post count, ready to sell them.

Correct if they make it smart its hard work and they will ask a price accordingly. If they do it dumb they will get banned for spam.

Quote from: SatHunter on July 24, 2015, 04:57:55 PM

I ask because my wife just got scammed, and she says there`s no point doing anything about it, because the scammer will just disappear and start a new account. If she says nothing, she can at least find his posts and stop someone else from buying from him. It doesn`t seem like a good way to build trust in forum members.

A trusted account is expensive, which makes it less likely to be used as a scam unless you trust that account more than its worth.

E.g. if you can buy a Hero Level account for 1 BTC, a scammer would need to scam at least the 1 BTC in order to make profit with this. If you do not know who is behind an account use escrow or take other precautions the mitigate the risk. If you get scammed post proof[1] and make that account worthless as well as any alts that will be found.

Edit: and one more thing. Nobody here trust a new account. Try asking for a loan on your first post.

[1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0

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Quote from: SatHunter on July 24, 2015, 04:57:55 PM

Why do we allow accounts to be bought and sold? Who does it really help?

If we want to build up trust, and cut down on scams, shouldn`t we make people responsible for their actions? If someone gets banned now, can`t they just open a new account? You can yell scam all day long, but the scammer can just shrug and open a new account.

As well, you can`t relie on a person`s account to tell you anything. A senior member could have bought the account 2 hours ago. A newbie could be a senior member who just sold their account. People can have 3 or 4 or more accounts, and slowly be building up their post count, ready to sell them.

I ask because my wife just got scammed, and she says there`s no point doing anything about it, because the scammer will just disappear and start a new account. If she says nothing, she can at least find his posts and stop someone else from buying from him. It doesn`t seem like a good way to build trust in forum members.

I probably agree that accounts shouldn't be allowed to be bought/sold but nobody is ever going to be allowed to police it.

There clearly are genuine people who want to buy a high ranked account so they can join signature campaigns & get paid high rates for posting but there is a dark side to account trading too (scammers purchasing trusted/high ranked accounts to use to scam people).

Like I said though it's impossible to police so unfortunately pointless trying to push for a ban on account trading. If the buyer/seller & even escrow keep it discrete nobody is ever going to know until a potential scam.

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Why do we allow accounts to be bought and sold? Who does it really help?

If we want to build up trust, and cut down on scams, shouldn`t we make people responsible for their actions? If someone gets banned now, can`t they just open a new account? You can yell scam all day long, but the scammer can just shrug and open a new account.

As well, you can`t relie on a person`s account to tell you anything. A senior member could have bought the account 2 hours ago. A newbie could be a senior member who just sold their account. People can have 3 or 4 or more accounts, and slowly be building up their post count, ready to sell them.

I ask because my wife just got scammed, and she says there`s no point doing anything about it, because the scammer will just disappear and start a new account. If she says nothing, she can at least find his posts and stop someone else from buying from him. It doesn`t seem like a good way to build trust in forum members.

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