I would like to address my negative trust feedback and apologise

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Quote from: JollyGood on August 02, 2022, 04:14:43 AM

It could be as simple as them hiring a coder to make their website therefore them funding the project. Maybe they have no idea what the coder is doing as they are looking at the final product (website) and are unaware of the other details.

If that is what happened they are not suited to operate a website such as crash because they will be reliant on the coder and would be open being scammed by any and all that have access to the server.

I'm afraid it's not that simple. As @devans pointed out, they were aware of the fact that much of the source code and scripts were copied from bustabit v1. And it was evident, even from the front end, that a good part of the content was plagiarized from the Bustabit website. However, it's their actions after being exposed that make them untrustworthy and deserve condemnation. They denied the allegations, fabricated lies, and changed the content on the website and removed their Github in an attempt to conceal the truth, rather than admitting, apologizing, and paying the license to the original developer.

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It could be as simple as them hiring a coder to make their website therefore them funding the project. Maybe they have no idea what the coder is doing as they are looking at the final product (website) and are unaware of the other details.

If that is what happened they are not suited to operate a website such as crash because they will be reliant on the coder and would be open to being scammed by any and all that have access to the server.

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Quote from: 8bethub on July 25, 2022, 05:45:23 PM

Ok so we are going to dismiss the fact there is proof, on an official website where I hired this person and I am working with

Are you saying you hired someone to write your text, and they copied it from somewhere else? If so, did you report them to the "official website" you hired them from?

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Quote from: 8bethub on July 25, 2022, 01:18:38 PM

I will start in order, with @RHavar 's feedback: "Running a pirated casino, which makes it impossible to trust (e.g. in their announcement claims "We use a sophisticated coin selection algorithm tailored to 8bethub" which is just some text they copied from bustadice without going through the effort of making their own coin selection etc. etc. "

I understood his point and agreed to him being upset about it, however, what we meant in the description of our website, although sounded similar, had a different meaning as we work differently to bustadice, and offer more coins to play with, hence why the words being used, I understand they meant something different, but so did we.

Coin selection means selecting which inputs to use for a certain output. It's a great way to improve privacy. You can't just use this as a buzz word and then say you mean you also use altcoins.

Quote from: 8bethub on July 28, 2022, 01:17:11 PM

Me and my team made a mistake

I'm very curious what "sophisticated coin selection algorithm" you're using. It really sounds like you're just using buzz words, so it would be great if you can back it up.

Quote from: 8bethub on July 25, 2022, 05:45:23 PM

Ok so we are going to dismiss the fact there is proof, on an official website where I hired this person and I am working with

Are you saying you hired someone to write your text, and they copied it from somewhere else? If so, did you report them to the "official website" you hired them from?

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on July 30, 2022, 04:42:37 PM

My understanding it it's open source, so anyone can use it. But if you want to run your own site with it, you need to pay for a license - otherwise you're stealing it.

Sort of. In principle publishing source code in itself doesn't grant any rights to use it yet. But bustabit v1 is released under the AGPLv3, a common open source license. That means that anyone can use it for free–even commercially–as long as they abide by the terms of the license. Mainly that means publishing your fork of the source code under the same license. Casinos only need to purchase a paid license from bustabit if they want to use the code without making it open source under the AGPLv3 themselves.

Arguably the biggest issue here isn't even plagiarizing bustadice's website–which has never been open source for what it's worth–using the verifier code without permission or potentially pirating back end code from bustabit v1. None of those are mistakes that 8bethub couldn't have come back from had they owned it, apologized and actually fixed the issues. But denying allegations even when they are obviously true for everyone to see and gaslighting anyone that points it out is a huge red flag IMO.

Thank you for creating the screenshot compilation, by the way. I hadn't even realized the plagiarism went so deep and assumed it was mainly just the landing page.

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on July 30, 2022, 04:42:37 PM

My understanding it it's open source, so anyone can use it. But if you want to run your own site with it, you need to pay for a license - otherwise you're stealing it.

I hope devans can make a comment here to clarify the situation

Quote from: Stalker22 on July 30, 2022, 05:32:15 PM

The difference between open source code and free software is still a mystery to many people. Even if the code is open source, you still need to respect the license. Unfortunately, even some developers ignore this as well.

But nevertheless, it is clear from these screenshots that there was plagiarism involved. Even the layout appears to be a copy with slight changes. That is never a good start for a business.

Once the source code is out there is allows anybody to use it but the conditions or licences come in different formats. If I recall correctly v2 was not being made available for sale by devans.

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on July 30, 2022, 04:42:37 PM

My understanding it it's open source, so anyone can use it. But if you want to run your own site with it, you need to pay for a license - otherwise you're stealing it.

The difference between open source code and free software is still a mystery to many people. Even if the code is open source, you still need to respect the license. Unfortunately, even some developers ignore this as well.

But nevertheless, it is clear from these screenshots that there was plagiarism involved. Even the layout appears to be a copy with slight changes. That is never a good start for a business.

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Quote from: JollyGood on July 30, 2022, 08:49:19 AM

What you said is spot on and very hard to take a differing view based on what has been posted thus far.

The amount of effort and finances it would have taken for the website to have been started could most probably and easily have been better spent by making a website similar to Bustabit without copying.

Has an accusation been made against the OP for stealing the crash code? I was under the impression v1 of the Bustabit code was (and is) open source whereas v2 was never for open source but was available to sell. Does anybody have any information on this?

Quote from: eddie13 on July 29, 2022, 05:59:06 PM

If they really put good time and effort into starting a project why would they be so stupid and lazy to ruin it all by not fixing these mistakes?

Even just the effort to clone something, don’t you think it would be worth the effort not to screw it up like this?

Lazy lazy lazy
Even for a fast exit scam.. Come on, you can do better..

My understanding it it's open source, so anyone can use it. But if you want to run your own site with it, you need to pay for a license - otherwise you're stealing it.

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What you said is spot on and very hard to take a differing view based on what has been posted thus far.

The amount of effort and finances it would have taken for the website to have been started could most probably and easily have been better spent by making a website similar to Bustabit without copying.

Has an accusation been made against the OP for stealing the crash code? I was under the impression v1 of the Bustabit code was (and is) open source whereas v2 was never for open source but was available to sell. Does anybody have any information on this?

Quote from: eddie13 on July 29, 2022, 05:59:06 PM

If they really put good time and effort into starting a project why would they be so stupid and lazy to ruin it all by not fixing these mistakes?

Even just the effort to clone something, don’t you think it would be worth the effort not to screw it up like this?

Lazy lazy lazy
Even for a fast exit scam.. Come on, you can do better..

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If they really put good time and effort into starting a project why would they be so stupid and lazy to ruin it all by not fixing these mistakes?

Even just the effort to clone something, don’t you think it would be worth the effort not to screw it up like this?

Lazy lazy lazy
Even for a fast exit scam.. Come on, you can do better..

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Well it is not looking good for them, they cannot deny they have not at least in part copied the Bustabit website text and layout.

They continue to deny they are using the Bustabit source code for the crash game citing it has been modified but they really have not done themselves any favours by creating an apology thread yet still not fully accepting they (or their developers/coders) have messed up.

That makes it very hard for them to build a reputation and for them to be taken seriously.

Quote from: TwitchySeal on July 29, 2022, 10:29:27 AM

And I'm sure the back end is 100% original Roll Eyes

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Quote from: 8bethub on July 29, 2022, 07:23:21 AM

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Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on July 29, 2022, 05:39:26 AM

Isn't it important what bustabit has to say here?

I would want ~~bustabit~~ bustadice team to check the case again. We can not be sure that their intention was bad. It's obvious that they were lazy but that does not prove the wrong intention. If a business wants to establish their brand in the community then help them. We will not know a scam until it happens. I think we became too proactive to us and not considering us that we are becoming isolated from the world.

You can check it for yourself.

Go to Bustadice. Register account, look around.
Go to 8bethub. Register account, look around.

The registration window, the chat, the game play, the layout ...8bethub is just a clone of bustadice and they're claiming it's all original.

You calling us a clone is unfair and deluded, whatever you think, there was hard work put into this, our platform is not merely a clone.

Oh ok, guess just a lot of coincidences and you didn't just pick a different bootstrap template and change a few words here and there. Apologies.

bustadice "Next Generation Dice" | 8bethub "Next-Gen Dice game"

And I'm sure the back end is 100% original Roll Eyes

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Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on July 29, 2022, 05:39:26 AM

Isn't it important what bustabit has to say here?

You may have missed the fact that @devans already tagged their account and commented on this a month ago.

Quote from: devans on June 27, 2022, 05:37:34 AM

Thanks to both of you for bringing them to my attention. Both LuckyBust and 8bethub are obviously plagiarizing bustabit.com and bustadice.com including some of our code, sometimes in pretty hilarious ways. For example, LuckyBust didn't even bother to change the name of bustabit's operating company (Apis N.V.) when they copied our terms of service 🤦‍♂️

I've left 8betbust an appropriate trust rating on bitcointalk.org and I'll add both websites to bustabit's license.txt file. Apart from that all we can do is try to warn players of shady operators like that.

Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on July 29, 2022, 05:39:26 AM

I would want ~~bustabit~~ bustadice team to check the case again.

Why do you think bustabit should check the case again? Although the casino can continue to operate and build their reputation from here, it doesn't change the fact that they started out in an unethical manner. It should serve as a learning experience for everyone involved and a reminder that reputation matters a great deal, and you don't want to screw it up. Especially if you're just starting out.

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on July 29, 2022, 06:10:47 AM

Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on July 29, 2022, 05:39:26 AM

Isn't it important what bustabit has to say here?

I would want ~~bustabit~~ bustadice team to check the case again. We can not be sure that their intention was bad. It's obvious that they were lazy but that does not prove the wrong intention. If a business wants to establish their brand in the community then help them. We will not know a scam until it happens. I think we became too proactive to us and not considering us that we are becoming isolated from the world.

You can check it for yourself.

Go to Bustadice. Register account, look around.
Go to 8bethub. Register account, look around.

The registration window, the chat, the game play, the layout ...8bethub is just a clone of bustadice and they're claiming it's all original.

You calling us a clone is unfair and deluded, whatever you think, there was hard work put into this, our platform is not merely a clone.

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on July 29, 2022, 06:10:47 AM

Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on July 29, 2022, 05:39:26 AM

Isn't it important what bustabit has to say here?

I would want ~~bustabit~~ bustadice team to check the case again. We can not be sure that their intention was bad. It's obvious that they were lazy but that does not prove the wrong intention. If a business wants to establish their brand in the community then help them. We will not know a scam until it happens. I think we became too proactive to us and not considering us that we are becoming isolated from the world.

You can check it for yourself.

Go to Bustadice. Register account, look around.
Go to 8bethub. Register account, look around.

The registration window, the chat, the game play, the layout ...8bethub is just a clone of bustadice and they're claiming it's all original.

Yes, if anyone has the time and can check this exact path, please do. The website is a dice casino too! The registration, login, chat window are nothing like bustadice. Those things you mentioned just are not true, but if others would like to check and give their input, that would be great.

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Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on July 29, 2022, 05:39:26 AM

Isn't it important what bustabit has to say here?

I would want ~~bustabit~~ bustadice team to check the case again. We can not be sure that their intention was bad. It's obvious that they were lazy but that does not prove the wrong intention. If a business wants to establish their brand in the community then help them. We will not know a scam until it happens. I think we became too proactive to us and not considering us that we are becoming isolated from the world.

You can check it for yourself.

Go to Bustadice. Register account, look around.
Go to 8bethub. Register account, look around.

The registration window, the chat, the game play, the layout ...8bethub is just a clone of bustadice and they're claiming it's all original.

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Isn't it important what bustabit has to say here?

I would want ~~bustabit~~ bustadice team to check the case again. We can not be sure that their intention was bad. It's obvious that they were lazy but that does not prove the wrong intention. If a business wants to establish their brand in the community then help them. We will not know a scam until it happens. I think we became too proactive to us and not considering us that we are becoming isolated from the world.

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on July 28, 2022, 03:11:08 PM

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Quote from: 8bethub on July 28, 2022, 01:21:19 PM

But the code was the scripts on github buddy, that was all,

Fair enough. Although FWIW just because code is on github doesn't imply you can use it for what ever you want, you still need to follow the license Grin

And also, FWIW, just because OP made all of his repos private/deleted them, doesn't mean he's not still using the code without paying for a license. Which, appears to be the case.

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the only parts that were in this discussione were some text elements on the homepage, that were simply close in meaning, not exactly the same at all. I meant something totally different too

You're making things worse, not better.

And that is indeed elements on the homepage, text elements like I said. How can I improve and get better if every single action I take it seems to be making it worse not better mate? Should I just leave it unspoken about? Me and my team made a mistake, I dealt with it and fixed it, as you can see, that section is not even there anymore. The designer used the words literally, when I said to take bustadice, which I am a fan of, as inspiration. It was my mistake for allowing it, but I am trying to make it better

This is the part that makes it worse not better: "simply close in meaning, not exactly the same at all. I meant something totally different too".

You didn't mean something different, you just copied them. It's obvious, why try to say otherwise?

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How can I improve and get better if every single action I take it seems to be making it worse not better mate?

Stop doing those things that make it worse I guess. Acting like you're a victim here is one of them.

I did say that that was the case, and the closeness almost exactness in the text is not permissible. We got that and are simply trying to make it better. No one on our side is the victim when we have come here, admitted to the mistakes and improved on them. And no, the codes are not used anymore, many martingale scripts as such can be used on our platform, but we did not just delete, as it would defeat the point

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Quote from: 8bethub on July 28, 2022, 01:21:19 PM

But the code was the scripts on github buddy, that was all,

Fair enough. Although FWIW just because code is on github doesn't imply you can use it for what ever you want, you still need to follow the license Grin

Agreed, if I was to use any of the actual backend no? And no, the github repo is not being used anymore at all, not only hidden.

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Quote from: 8bethub on July 28, 2022, 01:21:19 PM

But the code was the scripts on github buddy, that was all,

Fair enough. Although FWIW just because code is on github doesn't imply you can use it for what ever you want, you still need to follow the license Grin

And also, FWIW, just because OP made all of his repos private/deleted them, doesn't mean he's not still using the code without paying for a license. Which, appears to be the case.

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Quote from: 8bethub on July 28, 2022, 08:45:13 AM

the only parts that were in this discussione were some text elements on the homepage, that were simply close in meaning, not exactly the same at all. I meant something totally different too

You're making things worse, not better.

And that is indeed elements on the homepage, text elements like I said. How can I improve and get better if every single action I take it seems to be making it worse not better mate? Should I just leave it unspoken about? Me and my team made a mistake, I dealt with it and fixed it, as you can see, that section is not even there anymore. The designer used the words literally, when I said to take bustadice, which I am a fan of, as inspiration. It was my mistake for allowing it, but I am trying to make it better

This is the part that makes it worse not better: "simply close in meaning, not exactly the same at all. I meant something totally different too".

You didn't mean something different, you just copied them. It's obvious, why try to say otherwise?

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How can I improve and get better if every single action I take it seems to be making it worse not better mate?

Stop doing those things that make it worse I guess. Acting like you're a victim here is one of them.

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The reality is you did pirate code without permission and outright plagiarized website copy even when it contained claims that were obviously not true. I only left my negative feedback, because instead of immediately apologizing you ignored the issue and acted like it wasn't real -- which is not exactly confidence inspiring behavior.

That said, I'm not trying to be a copyright police either, nor is it my intention to try punish you either. And not to drive too fine of a point on it, but the industry is now full of dozens of competitors who actually have an impeccable multi-year history.

But the code was the scripts on github buddy, that was all, no other code was taken and our backend is completely different. I never actually left it unseen, sadly, I was not told abnout the situation on this forum since few days ago, when I followed this up as the person in charge here clearly did not do a great job. But that is my bad for choosing my team wrongly. Again, mistakes on the homepage are totally punishable, clearly there was word-by-word but in the heat of the launch, I did not believe that the person in charge would copy to the letter, which I am sorry for, but I also find it hard to deal with this as apart from improving, apologising and trying to display transparency, I am able to offer anything, just so maybe we are understood. The team members at fault were dealt with too, and I made it my priority to deal with this whilst improving the platfrom with your feedback, which yes, I should have done way earlier.

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