idea--- A decentralised trust system

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Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on February 27, 2016, 03:54:29 PM

Quote from: mexxer-2 on February 27, 2016, 03:42:56 PM

Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on February 27, 2016, 03:41:50 PM

People have more of an incentive to do that here if one account is in DT

You think there aren't about 10s of alt hunters on your tail once you're on DT? I got 3 on mine at the moment, QS had a mob

Edit: Also what you're talking about is more or less everyone being included in DT

Since the system will be decentralized, there wont be DT or separate webs of trust

What you are describing would be the same as using the current system and putting everyone on DT or putting everyone on your trustlist.

So again, as people have said, what prevents me (or anyone else), from creating 500 accounts and giving you (or anyone else) a neg rating with each account? Then everyone would see those ratings and you would be considered untrusted because supposedly 500 people have negged you. What prevents someone from doing that? You say that giving trust requires trades, but how is that enforced?

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Quote from: mexxer-2 on February 27, 2016, 03:42:56 PM

Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on February 27, 2016, 03:41:50 PM

People have more of an incentive to do that here if one account is in DT

You think there aren't about 10s of alt hunters on your tail once you're on DT? I got 3 on mine at the moment, QS had a mob

Edit: Also what you're talking about is more or less everyone being included in DT

Since the system will be decentralized, there wont be DT or separate webs of trust

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Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on February 27, 2016, 03:41:50 PM

People have more of an incentive to do that here if one account is in DT

You think there aren't about 10s of alt hunters on your tail once you're on DT? I got 3 on mine at the moment, QS had a mob

Edit: Also what you're talking about is more or less everyone being included in DT

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Quote from: dogie on February 27, 2016, 02:56:07 PM

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Quote from: whywefight on February 27, 2016, 06:39:19 AM

Imho hf doesnt have the alt prob like we have, thats why everyone has a vote works. Also they go after sold accs.

Yes, the system on hf is a bit shaken but the one on tbn works nicely

Actually thinking about it, no one even so much as mentioned the trust system in my "a month in" TBN. Its way too dramatic here to implement that though

The system on tbn is centred around trades and actual exchanges so there are less issues over there, the system here is just open to interpretation, everything goes

alt account a: "Oh hello alt account b, that was a great trade we did, have some feedback".

People have more of an incentive to do that here if one account is in DT

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Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on February 27, 2016, 01:58:03 PM

Quote from: mexxer-2 on February 27, 2016, 01:56:30 PM

Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on February 27, 2016, 01:54:46 PM

Quote from: whywefight on February 27, 2016, 06:39:19 AM

Imho hf doesnt have the alt prob like we have, thats why everyone has a vote works. Also they go after sold accs.

Yes, the system on hf is a bit shaken but the one on tbn works nicely

Actually thinking about it, no one even so much as mentioned the trust system in my "a month in" TBN. Its way too dramatic here to implement that though

The system on tbn is centred around trades and actual exchanges so there are less issues over there, the system here is just open to interpretation, everything goes

alt account a: "Oh hello alt account b, that was a great trade we did, have some feedback".

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Quote from: mexxer-2 on February 27, 2016, 01:56:30 PM

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Quote from: whywefight on February 27, 2016, 06:39:19 AM

Imho hf doesnt have the alt prob like we have, thats why everyone has a vote works. Also they go after sold accs.

Yes, the system on hf is a bit shaken but the one on tbn works nicely

Actually thinking about it, no one even so much as mentioned the trust system in my "a month in" TBN. Its way too dramatic here to implement that though

The system on tbn is centred around trades and actual exchanges so there are less issues over there, the system here is just open to interpretation, everything goes

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Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on February 27, 2016, 01:54:46 PM

Quote from: whywefight on February 27, 2016, 06:39:19 AM

Imho hf doesnt have the alt prob like we have, thats why everyone has a vote works. Also they go after sold accs.

Yes, the system on hf is a bit shaken but the one on tbn works nicely

Actually thinking about it, no one even so much as mentioned the trust system in my "a month in" TBN. Its way too dramatic here to implement that though

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Quote from: whywefight on February 27, 2016, 06:39:19 AM

Imho hf doesnt have the alt prob like we have, thats why everyone has a vote works. Also they go after sold accs.

Yes, the system on hf is a bit shaken but the one on tbn works nicely

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Imho hf doesnt have the alt prob like we have, thats why everyone has a vote works. Also they go after sold accs.

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Quote from: onlinepro on February 26, 2016, 07:45:35 AM

I don't know what system would be better but I agree with that the current system is not working well and it should be changed.

I don't understand the current trust system. Moreover, i am shocked trust still exists in the 21st century. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: Amph on February 26, 2016, 02:47:14 PM

Quote from: shorena on February 26, 2016, 05:25:32 AM

Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on February 25, 2016, 06:59:12 PM

How about a decentralised trust system -snip- such as the one found over on thebot.net and hackforums.net
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How do these systems work in comparisson to here?

he is basically saying to remove the default trust, nothign new, but his forum alone is a centralized environment, you can not have a decentralized system in a centralized environment, sound like an oxymoron to me

Well theymos has suggested an improvement that would result in more diverse trust lists. It was voted on and not accepted though. The idea was to force users to build their own trust lists out of suggestions. I agree though the admins own the house and there will be no free state in it.

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Quote from: shorena on February 26, 2016, 05:25:32 AM

Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on February 25, 2016, 06:59:12 PM

How about a decentralised trust system -snip- such as the one found over on thebot.net and hackforums.net
-snip-

How do these systems work in comparisson to here?

he is basically saying to remove the default trust, nothing new, but his forum alone is a centralized environment, you can not have a decentralized system in a centralized environment, sound like an oxymoron to me

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Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on February 26, 2016, 07:21:00 AM

Quote from: shorena on February 26, 2016, 05:25:32 AM

Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on February 25, 2016, 06:59:12 PM

How about a decentralised trust system -snip- such as the one found over on thebot.net and hackforums.net
-snip-

How do these systems work in comparisson to here?

Everyone's feedback counts, the system on thebot.net works perfectly but the one on hackforums has some hiccups

some degree of centralization is unavoidable, complete decentralization will only lead to abuse and shilling, especially on this forum.

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Quote from: shorena on February 26, 2016, 08:29:03 AM

Quote from: onlinepro on February 26, 2016, 07:45:35 AM

I don't know what system would be better but I agree with that the current system is not working well and it should be changed.

There are flaws to the current system, true. The question is what changed should be made to improve it. If OPs suggestion is "everyone gets a vote" Im against that change. Its just too easy to get new accounts and leave meaningless ratings which lead to inflated positive ratings. Making the system more complex to use is hardly an improvement.

Yep, plus on its own, every admin can hire any hacker to get into the system and make it work for them. And i guess you're right that if it would just complicate things, i dont think it will be of much help.

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Quote from: onlinepro on February 26, 2016, 07:45:35 AM

I don't know what system would be better but I agree with that the current system is not working well and it should be changed.

There are flaws to the current system, true. The question is what changes should be made to improve it. If OPs suggestion is "everyone gets a vote" Im against that change. Its just too easy to get new accounts and leave meaningless ratings which lead to inflated positive ratings. Making the system more complex to use is hardly an improvement.

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I don't know what system would be better but I agree with that the current system is not working well and it should be changed.

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Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on February 26, 2016, 07:21:00 AM

Quote from: shorena on February 26, 2016, 05:25:32 AM

Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on February 25, 2016, 06:59:12 PM

How about a decentralised trust system -snip- such as the one found over on thebot.net and hackforums.net
-snip-

How do these systems work in comparisson to here?

Everyone's feedback counts, the system on thebot.net works perfectly but the one on hackforums has some hiccups

Is it moderated? What prevents people from creating 1000 shills to change their appearance?

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Quote from: shorena on February 26, 2016, 05:25:32 AM

Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on February 25, 2016, 06:59:12 PM

How about a decentralised trust system -snip- such as the one found over on thebot.net and hackforums.net
-snip-

How do these systems work in comparisson to here?

Everyone's feedback counts, the system on thebot.net works perfectly but the one on hackforums has some hiccups

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Only joint score should be removed from the current system.

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Quote from: Your Point Is Invalid on February 25, 2016, 06:59:12 PM

I think that if everyone's trust ratings count then there wouldnt be pressure on people in DT1

The entire forum would be controlled by those with the most accounts, not the most trustworthy.

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