This is an interesting idea. It could help to curb some spam depending on how the payments work. You could make it so that users are paid at a fixed rate and the user doesn't know the terms of the payment, just that if they are chosen to be in a campaign, they will get at least X Bitcoin per week (or month or whatever). That would help to curb spam as then there isn't an incentive for people to spam to meet their post requirements.
There is, of course, the huge security issue. The problem is that many users may not feel comfortable with entrusting your service with their login credentials, especially since having the login gives full access to the account. This could potentially lead to privacy leaks and loss of the account if your service were to be hacked. The risk goes up for higher ranking members and those with green trust.
Lastly, there is also a technical issue. Bitcointalk only allows you to perform a login action once every 45 seconds per IP. If you need to change the signatures and avatars on a lot of accounts, you're going to need a lot of IPs or servers. They will also IP ban you if there are more than one request per second per IP.
Topic: IDEA -- Automated sig camp join tool - Feature and functionality Suggestions - page 2. (Read 2040 times)
June 04, 2016, 08:38:53 PM
June 04, 2016, 08:16:31 PM
You didn't tell me what you thought of the idea, do you like it, would you use it, what don't you like about it?
To be honest with you.. maybe i'm wrong, but i think that it will take you a lot of work, but you will not get out of it profits.
Tell me please, for who really it will be most useful in your opinion: for users, campaign managers or for advertisers?
In my opinion all of them like to have everything under their own control, and your service will not get much attention.
For me, the advertiser, along with the user would be the most important.
The details does sound a lot, but in reality it's probably 1 days worth of algorithms and another day worth of testing.
How can one get attention without making any action?
I'm sure there's someone out their who would rather get paid weekly, for posting, instead of searching for the latest signature campaigns, each time one ends.
Advertisers always employ manager - your service can't change that, because posts quality is most important and here have to be manual control.
It can be useful tool for campaign managers, when they are looking for quality posters, but as i know for them, once again, most important is posts quality.
For users.. hmm they have this thread:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/overview-of-bitcointalk-signature-ad-campaigns-last-update-01-jan-23-615953
and if they are active, they watch very carefully service section, what is enough to be well informed.
I like your idea, but like i wrote, from this project you will gain only few +1 and many thanks
Edit: Nobody knows in which direction will go signature campaigns. It is an option that will go to the level of unnatural spam without having to check the quality (some sig campaigns are doing it now). Then indeed your service can be used directly by the less demanding advertisers.
I like your help and responses, they're really helpful.
If more people feel the same way as you, then i might stop the project, which would save me the stress of its downfall.
June 04, 2016, 07:43:09 PM
You didn't tell me what you thought of the idea, do you like it, would you use it, what don't you like about it?
To be honest with you.. maybe i'm wrong, but i think that it will take you a lot of work, but you will not get out of it profits.
Tell me please, for who really it will be most useful in your opinion: for users, campaign managers or for advertisers?
In my opinion all of them like to have everything under their own control, and your service will not get much attention.
For me, the advertiser, along with the user would be the most important.
The details does sound a lot, but in reality it's probably 1 days worth of algorithms and another day worth of testing.
How can one get attention without making any action?
I'm sure there's someone out their who would rather get paid weekly, for posting, instead of searching for the latest signature campaigns, each time one ends.
Advertisers always employ manager - your service can't change that, because posts quality is most important and here have to be manual control.
It can be useful tool for campaign managers, when they are looking for quality posters, but as i know for them, once again, most important is posts quality.
For users.. hmm they have this thread:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/overview-of-bitcointalk-signature-ad-campaigns-last-update-01-jan-23-615953
and if they are active, they watch very carefully service section, what is enough to be well informed.
I like your idea, but like i wrote, from this project you will gain only few +1 and many thanks
Edit: Nobody knows in which direction will go signature campaigns. It is an option that will go to the level of unnatural spam without having to check the quality (some sig campaigns are doing it now). Then indeed your service can be used directly by the less demanding advertisers.
June 04, 2016, 07:29:36 PM
You didn't tell me what you thought of the idea, do you like it, would you use it, what don't you like about it?
To be honest with you.. maybe i'm wrong, but i think that it will take you a lot of work, but you will not get out of it profits.
Tell me please, for who really it will be most useful in your opinion: for users, campaign managers or for advertisers?
In my opinion all of them like to have everything under their own control, and your service will not get much attention.
For me, the advertiser, along with the user would be the most important.
The details does sound a lot, but in reality it's probably 1 days worth of algorithms and another day worth of testing.
How can one get attention without making any action?
I'm sure there's someone out their who would rather get paid weekly, for posting, instead of searching for the latest signature campaigns, each time one ends.
June 04, 2016, 07:25:09 PM
You didn't tell me what you thought of the idea, do you like it, would you use it, what don't you like about it?
To be honest with you.. maybe i'm wrong, but i think that it will take you a lot of work, but you will not get out of it profits.
Tell me please, for who really it will be most useful in your opinion: for users, campaign managers or for advertisers?
In my opinion all of them like to have everything under their own control, and your service will not get much attention.
June 04, 2016, 07:09:51 PM
Ok, i think we're on the right track.
But can any of them post sig campaigns on your account, collect payments from advertisers, pay you, most importantly, do all of this without even knowing what or how to spell sig campaign?
But can any of them post sig campaigns on your account, collect payments from advertisers, pay you, most importantly, do all of this without even knowing what or how to spell sig campaign?
About access to signature - It will works only when user is active. To do this in right way you will have to add statistics of users - something like rank of the best posters.
When the user gets registered into the server. They will provide active login credential in a secure SSL-secured page.
Technically, the amount of CPU power required to provide this sort of service is so demanding, that the tool which will automate all of this would have to be an enterprise level software which would have its on VPS.
We will collect statistics yes (i'll go into a little bit more technical detail) of the updated user information, on each users profile. Now, as you know signature campaigns have requirements such as *Min of 70 characters per/post, or *Min of 30 words per/post or *Min 5 posts per/day. Every week, when the server gets ready to pay everyone, it would go through the accounts weekly data. If the users don't post for that week they would be removed from the server. If any of the users posts don't meet any of the requirements, it wouldn't be included in the total amount weekly payments which they would receive.
Ok. same script have Bitmixer - checking amount of characters (i think min 75), so this is already done.
More interesting will be data base of users that are opened to join sig campaign - and here: their statistics about avarage characters and words per post, sections and activity.
This can be very useful for you:
http://www.bitcoinrates.in/bitcointalk/getactivity.php
Thanks for the link. Java would be used instead of PHP, because it would simply crash the PHP Apache server, because (maintaining an open network connection) and submitting tens/hundreds of account sig campaigns for each ad, and also maintaining a stateful connection in PHP (which is stateless) would pretty much be a massive technical design failure. Instead I'll re-write any needed parts in Java to keep everything clean
But thanks for the link, I'm sure it might find its way into some of my other projects.
You didn't tell me what you thought of the idea. Do you like it, would you use it, what don't you like about it?
I mean that's what this whole thread is about - your opinion!
June 04, 2016, 07:07:31 PM
sounds more as spamming tool for rich advertisers... and history tells that sometimes there was really big scam here on forum.
June 04, 2016, 06:59:43 PM
Ok, i think we're on the right track.
But can any of them post sig campaigns on your account, collect payments from advertisers, pay you, most importantly, do all of this without even knowing what or how to spell sig campaign?
But can any of them post sig campaigns on your account, collect payments from advertisers, pay you, most importantly, do all of this without even knowing what or how to spell sig campaign?
About access to signature - It will works only when user is active. To do this in right way you will have to add statistics of users - something like rank of the best posters.
When the user gets registered into the server. They will provide active login credential in a secure SSL-secured page.
Technically, the amount of CPU power required to provide this sort of service is so demanding, that the tool which will automate all of this would have to be an enterprise level software which would have its on VPS.
We will collect statistics yes (i'll go into a little bit more technical detail) of the updated user information, on each users profile. Now, as you know signature campaigns have requirements such as *Min of 70 characters per/post, or *Min of 30 words per/post or *Min 5 posts per/day. Every week, when the server gets ready to pay everyone, it would go through the accounts weekly data. If the users don't post for that week they would be removed from the server. If any of the users posts don't meet any of the requirements, it wouldn't be included in the total amount weekly payments which they would receive.
Ok. same script have Bitmixer - checking amount of characters (i think min 75), so this is already done.
More interesting will be data base of users that are opened to join sig campaign - and here: their statistics about avarage characters and words per post, sections and activity.
This can be very useful for you:
http://www.bitcoinrates.in/bitcointalk/getactivity.php
June 04, 2016, 06:48:15 PM
Ok, i think we're on the right track.
But can any of them post sig campaigns on your account, collect payments from advertisers, pay you, most importantly, do all of this without even knowing what or how to spell sig campaign?
But can any of them post sig campaigns on your account, collect payments from advertisers, pay you, most importantly, do all of this without even knowing what or how to spell sig campaign?
About access to signature - It will works only when user is active. To do this in right way you will have to add statistics of users - something like rank of the best posters.
When the user gets registered into the server. They will provide active login credential in a secure SSL-secured page.
Technically, the amount of CPU power required to provide this sort of service is so demanding, that the tool which will automate all of this would have to be an enterprise level software which would have its on VPS to process unique HTML data and IO connections for hundreds of accounts.
We will collect statistics yes (i'll go into a little bit more technical detail) of the updated user information, on each users profile. Now, as you know signature campaigns have requirements such as *Min of 70 characters per/post, or *Min of 30 words per/post or *Min 5 posts per/day. Every week, when the server gets ready to pay everyone, it would go through the accounts weekly data. If the users don't post for that week they would be removed from the server. If any of the users posts don't meet any of the requirements, it wouldn't be included in the total amount weekly payments which they would receive.
June 04, 2016, 06:32:28 PM
Ok, i think we're on the right track.
But can any of them post sig campaigns on your account, collect payments from advertisers, pay you, most importantly, do all of this without even knowing what or how to spell sig campaign?
But can any of them post sig campaigns on your account, collect payments from advertisers, pay you, most importantly, do all of this without even knowing what or how to spell sig campaign?
About access to signature - It will works only when user is active. To do this in right way you will have to add statistics of users - something like rank of the best posters.
Edit. Maybe i'm not clear enough.. If in your service will be registered xx accounts - managers still have to manually check quality of posts and activity of users. Changing only signature is not some spectacular tool. Ok, it can be faster, because can be done when user is not active, but when user is not active is not productive. Quality of posts and activity is the most important thing.
June 04, 2016, 06:16:53 PM
I didn't understand your point very well, could you explain how an account could get banned?
Mostly accounts are banned for spamming - so writing unnecessary or rubbish posts. Actually can be banned if will broke any of forum rules. It can be begging or posting referral links. All rules are here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/unofficial-list-of-official-bitcointalkorg-rules-guidelines-faq-703657
I'm really not sure how we manage to confuse people. If you read the above implementation details above, you will notice that the server will not provide access to create/delete posts. I think it's really important to make this clear, so to clear up any confusion.
Well, I have myself to blame, for not editing the main post, to show only what would realistically be allowed. But yeah, as far as posting goes, it won't be added or allowed.
So now i'm more confused then before
I'm sorry, but I don't see any other needs to rent an account as the signature campaign. If person who rent account can not create posts, how will earn from signature campaign?
Edit. Ps. I have feeling that i missed some main information.
Ahh dang! I see where I lost you.
We're talking about two very different topics. Please, let me clear it up
How it works, is that you signup your account for this service. Now you have given our servers access to manage signature campaigns and payments for that account.
When someone wants to advertise using signature campaign, they specify the account requirements, and NO. of accounts that will host this campaign.
Our server will now select a list of accounts, which match the requirements, and ain't already in another signature campaign.
Then, it will add the advertisers signature to those accounts. That's it.
The advertiser wont have access to those accounts, the server wont allow creating/deleting posts. Everything is automated, much like GoogleAdwords.
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Hope I cleared things up, or did I confuse you a bit more?
Ok. So this is not about renting accounts but more to automate recruitment to sig camp.. tool for campaign managers.
As i remember Bit-x and Bitmixer are already using some similar script.
Ok, i think we're on the right track.
But can any of them post sig campaigns on your account, collect payments from advertisers, pay you, most importantly, do all of this without even knowing what or how to spell sig campaign?
June 04, 2016, 06:12:26 PM
I didn't understand your point very well, could you explain how an account could get banned?
Mostly accounts are banned for spamming - so writing unnecessary or rubbish posts. Actually can be banned if will broke any of forum rules. It can be begging or posting referral links. All rules are here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/unofficial-list-of-official-bitcointalkorg-rules-guidelines-faq-703657
I'm really not sure how we manage to confuse people. If you read the above implementation details above, you will notice that the server will not provide access to create/delete posts. I think it's really important to make this clear, so to clear up any confusion.
Well, I have myself to blame, for not editing the main post, to show only what would realistically be allowed. But yeah, as far as posting goes, it won't be added or allowed.
So now i'm more confused then before
I'm sorry, but I don't see any other needs to rent an account as the signature campaign. If person who rent account can not create posts, how will earn from signature campaign?
Edit. Ps. I have feeling that i missed some main information.
Ahh dang! I see where I lost you.
We're talking about two very different topics. Please, let me clear it up
How it works, is that you signup your account for this service. Now you have given our servers access to manage signature campaigns and payments for that account.
When someone wants to advertise using signature campaign, they specify the account requirements, and NO. of accounts that will host this campaign.
Our server will now select a list of accounts, which match the requirements, and ain't already in another signature campaign.
Then, it will add the advertisers signature to those accounts. That's it.
The advertiser wont have access to those accounts, the server wont allow creating/deleting posts. Everything is automated, much like GoogleAdwords.
--
--
Hope I cleared things up, or did I confuse you a bit more?
Ok. So this is not about renting accounts but more to automate recruitment to sig camp.. tool for campaign managers.
As i remember Bit-x and Bitmixer are already using some similar script.
June 04, 2016, 06:00:23 PM
I didn't understand your point very well, could you explain how an account could get banned?
Mostly accounts are banned for spamming - so writing unnecessary or rubbish posts. Actually can be banned if will broke any of forum rules. It can be begging or posting referral links. All rules are here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/unofficial-list-of-official-bitcointalkorg-rules-guidelines-faq-703657
I'm really not sure how we manage to confuse people. If you read the above implementation details above, you will notice that the server will not provide access to create/delete posts. I think it's really important to make this clear, so to clear up any confusion.
Well, I have myself to blame, for not editing the main post, to show only what would realistically be allowed. But yeah, as far as posting goes, it won't be added or allowed.
So now i'm more confused then before
I'm sorry, but I don't see any other needs to rent an account as the signature campaign. If person who rent account can not create posts, how will earn from signature campaign?
Edit. Ps. I have feeling that i missed some main information.
Ahh dang! I see where I lost you.
We're talking about two very different topics. Please, let me clear it up
How it works, is that you signup your account for this service. Now you have given our servers access to manage signature campaigns and payments for that account.
When someone wants to advertise using signature campaign, they specify the account requirements, and NO. of accounts that will host this campaign.
Our server will now select a list of accounts, which match the requirements, and ain't already in another signature campaign.
Then, it will add the advertisers signature to those accounts. That's it.
The advertiser wont have access to those accounts, the server wont allow creating/deleting posts. Everything is automated, much like GoogleAdwords.
--
--
Hope I cleared things up, or did I confuse you a bit more?
June 04, 2016, 05:49:53 PM
I didn't understand your point very well, could you explain how an account could get banned?
Mostly accounts are banned for spamming - so writing unnecessary or rubbish posts. Actually can be banned if will broke any of forum rules. It can be begging or posting referral links. All rules are here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/unofficial-list-of-official-bitcointalkorg-rules-guidelines-faq-703657
I'm really not sure how we manage to confuse people. If you read the above implementation details above, you will notice that the server will not provide access to create/delete posts. I think it's really important to make this clear, so to clear up any confusion.
Well, I have myself to blame, for not editing the main post, to show only what would realistically be allowed. But yeah, as far as posting goes, it won't be added or allowed.
So now i'm more confused then before
I'm sorry, but I don't see any other needs to rent an account as the signature campaign. If person who rent account can not create posts, how will earn from signature campaign?
Edit. Ps. I have feeling that i missed some main information.
June 04, 2016, 05:05:43 PM
I didn't understand your point very well, could you explain how an account could get banned?
Mostly accounts are banned for spamming - so writing unnecessary or rubbish posts. Actually can be banned if will broke any of forum rules. It can be begging or posting referral links. All rules are here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/unofficial-list-of-official-bitcointalkorg-rules-guidelines-faq-703657
I'm really not sure how we manage to confuse people. If you read the above implementation details above, you will notice that the server will not provide access to create/delete posts. I think it's really important to make this clear, so to clear up any confusion.
Well, I have myself to blame, for not editing the main post, to show only what would realistically be allowed. But yeah, as far as posting goes, it won't be added or allowed.
June 04, 2016, 04:58:44 PM
I didn't understand your point very well, could you explain how an account could get banned?
Mostly accounts are banned for spamming - so writing unnecessary or rubbish posts. Actually can be banned if will broke any of forum rules. It can be begging or posting referral links. All rules are here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/unofficial-list-of-official-bitcointalkorg-rules-guidelines-faq-703657
June 04, 2016, 04:09:55 PM
So i read someones crazy idea about lending bitcointalk accounts for sig camps.
What would it allow the borrower to do;
Create/Delete Posts
Edit signature
Edit personal text
Upload photos
*Change all profile settings
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What wouldn't it allow the borrower to do;
Change password
*Change any account related settings
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What would it allow the lender to do;
Automatically join signature campaigns and automatically get paid
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What would it allow advertisers to do;
Automatically post campaigns + acc requirements, amount of participants.
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The best part, is that everything would be done on our servers. It would be like the borrower is using GooglerAdwords, except its for bitcointalk.
5% of any profit made would go back to bitcointalk forum as a donation for its maintenance
If enough people like this, we'll make it live
Leave your reviews below
What would it allow the borrower to do;
Create/Delete Posts
Edit signature
Edit personal text
Upload photos
*Change all profile settings
--
--
What wouldn't it allow the borrower to do;
Change password
*Change any account related settings
--
--
What would it allow the lender to do;
Automatically join signature campaigns and automatically get paid
--
--
What would it allow advertisers to do;
Automatically post campaigns + acc requirements, amount of participants.
--
--
The best part, is that everything would be done on our servers. It would be like the borrower is using GooglerAdwords, except its for bitcointalk.
5% of any profit made would go back to bitcointalk forum as a donation for its maintenance
If enough people like this, we'll make it live
Leave your reviews below
The idea actually sounds nice, but it's too risky. Not just for scamming purposes but your account can be banned very easily. The only way to do it good is to work with a reputation points system for posters (who get a higher payment).
But maybe it's better if you just post yourself, it's not like you can earn some big bucks right?
Sig advertising is really big nowadays. There's way more adverts (not just for bitcoin projects, but for anything to do with crypto), it just needs a way to manage everything. A way to automate the whole process.
I don't you & I, understood your point very well. Could you explain how an account could get banned?
June 04, 2016, 04:01:16 PM
So i read someones crazy idea about lending bitcointalk accounts for sig camps.
What would it allow the borrower to do;
Create/Delete Posts
Edit signature
Edit personal text
Upload photos
*Change all profile settings
--
--
What wouldn't it allow the borrower to do;
Change password
*Change any account related settings
--
--
What would it allow the lender to do;
Automatically join signature campaigns and automatically get paid
--
--
What would it allow advertisers to do;
Automatically post campaigns + acc requirements, amount of participants.
--
--
The best part, is that everything would be done on our servers. It would be like the borrower is using GooglerAdwords, except its for bitcointalk.
5% of any profit made would go back to bitcointalk forum as a donation for its maintenance
If enough people like this, we'll make it live
Leave your reviews below
What would it allow the borrower to do;
Create/Delete Posts
Edit signature
Edit personal text
Upload photos
*Change all profile settings
--
--
What wouldn't it allow the borrower to do;
Change password
*Change any account related settings
--
--
What would it allow the lender to do;
Automatically join signature campaigns and automatically get paid
--
--
What would it allow advertisers to do;
Automatically post campaigns + acc requirements, amount of participants.
--
--
The best part, is that everything would be done on our servers. It would be like the borrower is using GooglerAdwords, except its for bitcointalk.
5% of any profit made would go back to bitcointalk forum as a donation for its maintenance
If enough people like this, we'll make it live
Leave your reviews below
The idea actually sounds nice, but it's too risky. Not just for scamming purposes but your account can be banned very easily. The only way to do it good is to work with a reputation points system for posters (who get a higher payment).
But maybe it's better if you just post yourself, it's not like you can earn some big bucks right?
June 04, 2016, 03:57:03 PM
Yeah, but users will still need to trust you with full access to their accounts.
When you use Facebook, google, or any other authentication provider to log into a website, ain't you trusting that website to use the authentication you gave them reasonably?
Well, if this service is required, then it will merely be the same thing. As long as the necessary security procedures are taken to secure the system (such as SSL) then theres really nothing to worry about.
June 04, 2016, 09:40:19 AM
Yeah, but users will still need to trust you with full access to their accounts.
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