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Topic: Idea: revealing Bitcoin users' identities AND improve anonymity (Read 2217 times)

legendary
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Bitcoin: An Idea Worth Spending
I am glad to see that not everyone is obsessed with anonymity. There is so much more to Bitcoin, just like there is so much more to education and grades than keeping your grades secret from others.

The original poster is obsessed with anonymity  Roll Eyes
He just thinks this would be a great tool for people to check their anonymity. Just like port scanners and exploit frameworks are great tools to check the security of web servers.

I also like the comment of Phinnaeus about the "look-at-me society". People do not always choose for anonymity: sometimes publicity is more attractive. However, I believe this should always be a choice. And I don't think this datamining-idea is the right thing for showing that a certain transaction belongs to you. It is much easier to do that reliably with a sort of signed message system, maybe with a sort of Public Key Infrastructure for identity verification.


This, to address the bolded phrase above:

Bitcoin has properties only barely explored yet. We don't have to be limited to commonly known forms. We can invent new forms. Some will ensure privacy and anonymity, some will provide positive identity. We can wear payment codes publicly and we can conceal private keys in many ways. Without the Authoritarian Architecture of a Central Bank, we are free as individuals to invent new ways to create transactions and will inspire the Open Source developers to create new tools for us to make our lives easier and more convenient. And we will never have to worry again about someone stealing our money through the many frauds of identity theft.
cjp
full member
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I am glad to see that not everyone is obsessed with anonymity. There is so much more to Bitcoin, just like there is so much more to education and grades than keeping your grades secret from others.

The original poster is obsessed with anonymity  Roll Eyes
He just thinks this would be a great tool for people to check their anonymity. Just like port scanners and exploit frameworks are great tools to check the security of web servers.

I also like the comment of Phinnaeus about the "look-at-me society". People do not always choose for anonymity: sometimes publicity is more attractive. However, I believe this should always be a choice. And I don't think this datamining-idea is the right thing for showing that a certain transaction belongs to you. It is much easier to do that reliably with a sort of signed message system, maybe with a sort of Public Key Infrastructure for identity verification.
donator
Activity: 1218
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I am glad to see that not everyone is obsessed with anonymity. There is so much more to Bitcoin, just like there is so much more to education and grades than keeping your grades secret from others.
Not if there were a Handicapper General who penalizes people with good grades. I'll be glad to see this tested, though, may not be so pleased with the results, but we'll be better for it.
hero member
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There is more to Bitcoin than bitcoins.
I am glad to see that not everyone is obsessed with anonymity. There is so much more to Bitcoin, just like there is so much more to education and grades than keeping your grades secret from others.

legendary
Activity: 1918
Merit: 1570
Bitcoin: An Idea Worth Spending
I may have to start a new thread to clarify what I'm trying to relay. We live in a look-at-me society, and what I'm thinking about is that the blockchain would be a perfect place for people to show others what they've paid for--on purpose. I can easily and quickly come up with a couple dozen nice examples, and given just a bit of more time, I could provide thousands, albeit only about 500 or so would be viable.

~Bruno~


this is fine if any individual chooses to reveal that info.  but in general, each Bitcoin address is appropriately viewed as a bank acct to which the owner has the right to privacy/anonymity.

The entire marketing plan(s) is to show those transactions, not hide them, with the ultimate goal of bringing further awareness to Bitcoin.
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1002
I may have to start a new thread to clarify what I'm trying to relay. We live in a look-at-me society, and what I'm thinking about is that the blockchain would be a perfect place for people to show others what they've paid for--on purpose. I can easily and quickly come up with a couple dozen nice examples, and given just a bit of more time, I could provide thousands, albeit only about 500 or so would be viable.

~Bruno~


this is fine if any individual chooses to reveal that info.  but in general, each Bitcoin address is appropriately viewed as a bank acct to which the owner has the right to privacy/anonymity.
legendary
Activity: 1918
Merit: 1570
Bitcoin: An Idea Worth Spending
I may have to start a new thread to clarify what I'm trying to relay. We live in a look-at-me society, and what I'm thinking about is that the blockchain would be a perfect place for people to show others what they've paid for--on purpose. I can easily and quickly come up with a couple dozen nice examples, and given just a bit of more time, I could provide thousands, albeit only about 500 or so would be viable.

~Bruno~
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1002
I feel we are missing out on major markets if we keep the anonymity aspect alive. If we simply rid the anonymous aspect, and embrace the transparency features, we're apt to go a lot further and quicker. And yes, we could have both, but I feel by pushing the latter, we'll be golden.

Anonymity is necessary because all transaction can be seen by everyone. Would you use a bank that allows anyone to log on to their web site and see any account by user name and everyone that user has received or sent money to.

+1

and this is why we should test the system to determine its resilience in providing that anonymity.
legendary
Activity: 1512
Merit: 1036
I feel we are missing out on major markets if we keep the anonymity aspect alive. If we simply rid the anonymous aspect, and embrace the transparency features, we're apt to go a lot further and quicker. And yes, we could have both, but I feel by pushing the latter, we'll be golden.

Anonymity is necessary because all transaction can be seen by everyone. Would you use a bank that allows anyone to log on to their web site and see any account by user name and everyone that user has received or sent money to?
donator
Activity: 1736
Merit: 1014
Let's talk governance, lipstick, and pigs.
BIP 16 can go along way toward allowing the option of assured identity if a credit bureau is used as a signatory on a transaction.
legendary
Activity: 1918
Merit: 1570
Bitcoin: An Idea Worth Spending
I feel we are missing out on major markets if we keep the anonymity aspect alive. If we simply rid the anonymous aspect, and embrace the transparency features, we're apt to go a lot further and quicker. And yes, we could have both, but I feel by pushing the latter, we'll be golden.

~Bruno~
hero member
Activity: 686
Merit: 500
Bitbuy
This is a really great idea! Here's an idea I have that could be a nice starting point:

-If 2 addresses are used as the input in the same transaction, we can be sure they belong to the same wallet, hence the same user
-If the 2nd of those 2 addresses is again used in another transaction as an input, together with a 3rd address as input, we can be sure all those 3 addresses belong to the same wallet, hence the same user, even though the 1st and 3rd address were never used together.
-And so on and so forth. Just check for every additional address you can link to the same/wallet person, if that address is also linked to more addresses.

I'm wondering how effective this would be, and how many clusters and more importantly how big the clusters of addresses would be that we can find. I'm fairly sure this would be a good starting point, after that it might be a good idea to see if it is possible to correlate certain money flows, to bind separate clusters together in bigger clusters if analysis shows a high probability of them belonging to the same person/wallet. I'm not sure how hard this would be to implement. I think it shouldn't be too hard, but my programming is way to rusty to pull this off. Anyone willing to give this a go?

Good luck! Smiley
legendary
Activity: 1918
Merit: 1570
Bitcoin: An Idea Worth Spending
I mentioned something like this on another thread earlier today and dubbed it, "4 Square on Rails". If users desire, they can create a vanity address for themselves and use Firstbits's shortened version of the same as their own personal address. I have another idea centered around this that I'll be expressing on one of the restaurant related threads, unless I feel it'll warrant its own thread.

~Bruno~
hero member
Activity: 484
Merit: 500
It could also give People the possiblitity to rate others "Identities/adresses" on a scale from 1-10 on how cool their behaviour was in doing business..

of course bad guys will change their adresses but the good guys could prove their reputation through their control of their private key..of course somehow we`ll soon have an reputation market Smiley

dunno but i read the sequel to deamon yesterday and this somehow goes that direction ..SmartMob anyone ^^
sr. member
Activity: 269
Merit: 250
For instance, after withdrawing bitcoins from an exchange service, I know a Bitcoin address of that exchange service. I could enter that information in the wiki, and then find out what other addresses belong to the exchange service, how many bitcoins they probably hold in total, etc..


i guess the only problem with this is that no one would want to contribute to a wiki if that address could then lead back to themselves.

and then you'd probably have ppl entering in real addresses with bogus ownerships to obfuscate the linkages or even to target enemies.  it could turn into a real mess.

Would it be possible to use Google engine to search web to make connection between Bitcoin addresses and people?


IMO, If it's possible to create such tool then it would be a good thing because it would make people aware of how much personal information they share.
legendary
Activity: 980
Merit: 1004
Firstbits: Compromised. Thanks, Android!
For instance, after withdrawing bitcoins from an exchange service, I know a Bitcoin address of that exchange service. I could enter that information in the wiki, and then find out what other addresses belong to the exchange service, how many bitcoins they probably hold in total, etc..


i guess the only problem with this is that no one would want to contribute to a wiki if that address could then lead back to themselves.

and then you'd probably have ppl entering in real addresses with bogus ownerships to obfuscate the linkages or even to target enemies.  it could turn into a real mess.

Yes.

If this were to be done, there'd be no point to the wiki. Just allow people to explore the interconnections between addresses (they can already do this with blockexplorer, it's just pretty slow.)

They'd be responsible for determining any public ID connected to a specific address themselves, since this is where things could get messy and unprovable anyway. (Just because Jane puts an address on a website and says its hers doesn't mean she's the one who owns the private key, or even that the private key to it exists.)
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1002
For instance, after withdrawing bitcoins from an exchange service, I know a Bitcoin address of that exchange service. I could enter that information in the wiki, and then find out what other addresses belong to the exchange service, how many bitcoins they probably hold in total, etc..


i guess the only problem with this is that no one would want to contribute to a wiki if that address could then lead back to themselves.

and then you'd probably have ppl entering in real addresses with bogus ownerships to obfuscate the linkages or even to target enemies.  it could turn into a real mess.
legendary
Activity: 924
Merit: 1004
Firstbits: 1pirata
watching, interesting idea
full member
Activity: 154
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Bitcoin!
I think this is an excellent idea.  Watching.
legendary
Activity: 1330
Merit: 1000
Bitcoin
It would sure help with showing a "good faith" effort which is all law enforcement is looking for these days. Even megaupload could have done that and they wouldn't be sitting in jail right now.
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