Topic: Idena is the first Proof-of-Person Blockchain - page 72. (Read 44019 times)

Let me paraphrase you OK?

"I'm harming network ... i know that ... but i'll do it no matter what because i spend so much time on making perfect flips (according to nice graphic) and now i expect everyone to do it the same way"

Do what you want. Just know that you are harming network. Hopefully there are not many people that think that validation is made to choose 100 best flips rather than 2000 that are good enough to check if someone is bot or not.

Report all flips that did not use available tools also ok? I think you should do that if you consider "good flip advices" equal to "reporting rules".

You can say whatever you want. May I be subjective or not, but if you use text in your flips for me is a bad flip and I will report it 100% of the time. Not just because I can, but because I don't use text in my flips and I put a lot of effort to make them very good, sometime like @Saisher said earlier I work days to make 5 good flips. End of story.


...said the account registered 4 minutes prior the post.

Get lost!


 

The fact that you're good at solving flips does not mean that you're good at reporting them. 80% is nuts.

This is a discord admin graphic not official rules. You can do your own graphic and try to convince the majority of network just like anybody else but don't post it here as "10 commandments of Moses" because it is only an opinion of 1 member. I disagree with few points. F.e. no story flips should not be reported in my opinion. Consensus is made to decide if flip has story or not. Reports are made to sort out flips that validates rules. If no story flips was meant to be reported than why we even take part in first stage of long session?

I will not report good flip that work for network (decide if you are bot or not in correct way) only because it is not perfect according to 1 member that created nice graphic to present his own subjective approach to the matter.


Is it doable without reading? YES

Edit:
This picture shows list of points that makes a good flip according to Set Animals. It does not say that every other should be reported - this are not reporting rules.



Will you report all flips that did not use available tools?

Official reporting rules that are visible under report button:

Wrong. This is exactly how @Falanger solved the flip "in seconds":

If flips are so shitty and this system needs improvements (or trainers whip AK YOU) than how the hell you have 97% score? It's because flips are easy and real person has no truble solving them isn't it? Than don't report them... This warning sign that you most likely report this flip for is 100% nitpicking a good flip that has fulfilled its role for the network (checking if you are human or bot).

Flip should be hard for AI, easy for humans, and uniqe (use keywords) - this flip is like that. Reporting it you simply short amount of flips that network base on verifying members - you harm network only because you are too blinded that every flip must be perfect to be worthy being part of network. If everyone would report 80% of flips than we would need to make 15 flips each epoch (not 3).

Validation /= flip competition - if flip is good for network then don't report it. If flip is harming network and it's presence in network will help bots (f.e. numbered flips or flip is not related even the loosest way to keywords) than report it. Easy! What is better for network to validate 2000 nodes? 100 perfect flips or 1000 good flips?


This was written by Andrew Idena on telegram. Where you see "any text" rule?

1- you don't need to read text to solve this flip (red flashing light is enough to understand it)
2- there is no inappropriate  content
3- there is no numbers or letters or other labels on top of the images showing their order

@Flangler
Because of people like me, next cycle they won't get sh!t flips on the short session.

@Tytanowy Janusz
Yes dude, you were right, that's why I am a Human with 97%+ score

Also if you agree with @Flangler that the flip is a good one, means you are both blind and/or "shitty in solving flips".

@solosequenosenada
A good flip should not contain, letters, numbers, any text and also both words needs to be illustrated in the flip images.

@everyone else
Note that I also report the wrong use of words i.e. Date (fruit, date palm) and the image is with a couple on a Date.

That was really high, this project lives and die on flips but I recommend to make the number of words to choose to at least 20, so people will have a lot of choice of words to pick when creating a flip, sometimes it took me days before I can come out a good flip based on the words given I love many words to choose from, I think many will agree with me.

wow 80% is pretty high, I've never reported more than 40-50% and the last validation I reported like 30%.

I agree that that flip could be valid, I don't see any reason to report it. Now that we are in the beginning we should be a little more permissive with flips that don't break the rules.
If they have words or numerical order they should be reported but if they do not have a clear violation of the rules we should understand that people will learn and we should give them a chance before they get punished.

@othell_rogue Guess i was right with this.


I agree with notblox1 that 80% is way too much and I hardly believe that they were in fact shitty. In most cases i have 10% flips to report.

I also agree with Flangler that this particular flips is good. I would not report it and I would not have any trouble with right answer.



~13,6% of killed identies.

few random epochs resoults:
Epoch 42 - ~9,6%
Epoch 40 - ~11,5%
Epoch 35 - ~10,5%
Epoch 32 - ~12,6%
Epoch 30 - ~12,4%

It is higher than average (most likely due to the lowest $/day mining speed since qtrade listing) but i would not call it a game changer or extraordinary behaviour.

What is wrong with this flip? Keywords are ok, Pictures are ok.
In seconds you can tell that the right one is correct, there are a production line and warning sign which tells that some kind of failure happened.
Because of people like you the rule "One Bad Flip No rewards" can't exist.

80% ?!
That is a bit high to report don't you think?
Try to make screenshot of all bad flips in next long session and we can see them in discord or telegram.

Wow! Last epoch was pretty lucky for me with 1 or 2 reports. But on #44 during short session i got 4/5 chinese flips. The only Mother Universe made me survive with dat random choices.

Can't agree more, last cycle I reported like 80% of the flips.



It is true, most of them were flips with text/numbers on them, tho.

yeah, do agree on this one, it is needed for flips to be good, and people should invest time to learn how to make good flip, for a project to be successful

Stop crying, Idena needs good quality flips to work properly. If you are not able to create good flips you cannot participate and I hope and desire that you are penalized, it has been proven that this is necessary.

The reports have to have consensus, if your flip has been reported by 50% or more it will be labeled as invalid.

I see it fine 

In all honesty I forgot the validation this time.

This is not looking good either some king of bug appeared and that many people have trouble with validation, or people are losing interest in this project.
This would be unfair if only one report is necessary to take the reward away from.

Vote please.
IDENA validation reward and bad flips
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/idena-validation-reward-and-bad-flips-5249501

Currently, if you have at least 1 bad flip, then you will not receive absolutely no reward for successful validation.
This is unfair.
Especially considering the fact that the reports on your flip could be subjective, but in fact, your flip is good.

Another point why devs behavior doesn't correspond to the characteristics of the coin.
You are under pressure.
This is unacceptable in a decentralized system with freedom of speech and anonymity.

Listing strategy

We do not plan to proactively look for new exchanges to list the DNA coin in the near future. However, we will be happy to support listing initiatives from exchanges and provide the required support and guidance for the Idena node integration.

This up is from 26 Feb, and 2 Months later:

''When are you going to start with listing Idena on bigger exchanges with more volume?
We are in contact with some bigger exchanges that could be interested and are ready to support our project. Any inputs from the community would be helpful here.
Can you tell us the names of exchanges in contact which could possibly list DNA?
Some of them are Tier 1, we cannot disclose the information now.''
Who knows what is next!