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Quote from: xxjumperxx on August 31, 2020, 02:17:52 AM

he was a suspect and thats why he got shot.
Plain and simple.

america. where all crimes. without judge or jury, where you just a suspect = getting shot plain and simple
cops=executioners without trial is the american way

even funnier having a multiple shot gun able to take out dozens of people far away, acceptable
having a knife not in your hand but if it was it would only hurt within arm distance.. not acceptable

very funny world america lives in

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Quote from: xxjumperxx on August 31, 2020, 02:17:52 AM

Quote from: franky1 on August 29, 2020, 03:10:02 PM

is america really this dumb. i ask because the more americans i interact with the less common sense they seem to have

Calling america dumb because of this?
He was a fleeing subject and he got shot because he didnt comply.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Im sick and tired of people always making the race the subject, he was a suspect and thats why he got shot.
Plain and simple.

he was a subject of an uninvited guest at a party not multiple murder
he didnt break in. he didnt stalk or harm anyone.
he went there invited and then was told to get out.
thats all
no murder, no rape,

however a multilple murder suspect walked towards cops with a gun. and was congratulated and given water.. and said he can go home with a weldone

if you cant see the hypocracy of that then my quoted statement stands
i cannot believe anyone thinks being shot is the punishment for a petty crime is acceptable
i cannot believe anyone thinks be rewarded with a safe passage and water for a murder crime is acceptable

whats next
stop for a parking violation. have a gun heldto your head. and because you feel the cop is abusing his power you brace yourself and run off for cover. and now you feel the cop should shoot you and call it a lawful killing because you run off.

serious dig deep into your moral compass and choose a different direction if thats was your mindset

again read my points
if a white guy was at a party and the other attendee's called the cops to have him removed. they would have thanked him for leaving the property and actually allowed him to get into his car

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Quote from: franky1 on August 29, 2020, 03:10:02 PM

is america really this dumb. i ask because the more americans i interact with the less common sense they seem to have

Calling america dumb because of this?
He was a fleeing subject and he got shot because he didnt comply.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Im sick and tired of people always making the race the subject, he was a suspect and thats why he got shot.
Plain and simple.

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ok jacob did not have a knife on him. and police are saying he was going to the car to get a knife
1.they were standing at a distance with a gun aimed at him thus a knife is no threat
2. they had ample time to tackle him to the ground

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now here is why it IS racist
just a couple days later. in the exact same town
a white guy HAD A GUN ON HIM and actually shot a few people
while carrying the gun he was walking TOWARDS cops. still with the gun.
cops told him not shot him. just told him to put hands up and drop the gun
they then let him go home

notice the difference.
karl rittenhouse was allowed to walk back to his car and go home with a long rifle that just killed a few people where the weapon has a hundred meter risk. where cops actually walked passed him

jabob died with no weapon on him but 'suspected' to be going to reach a weapon with just a arm length risk

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so remember the double standard
a phonecall about a person not invited to a party being asked to be removed=punishable by death

vs
a person with an illegal weapon, being a vigilante and killing 2 people=punishment of .... nothing
he was not protecting his property or himself because he did not even live in that town. he had premeditation because he decided to go to another town with a gun.

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Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on August 29, 2020, 07:14:32 PM

Blake was under lawful arrest, and was fleeing, which makes him a fleeing felon. Police can use lethal force to protect themselves or the public from immediate harm.

There were children in the car, and Blake was holding a knife. If the police has not used force to stop Blake, he could have taken the children hostage, or he could have used the knife on the children.

While this is right, it doesn't fully explain it.

Police can use lethal force to protect themselves or the public from immediate harm if they're carrying a weapon or something along those lines to show that they have the ability to commit such harm. Given the fact that he was holding a knife and entering a car with children, I think it'd be fair to say that he could have presented harm to them.

People discussing the amount of shots or anything like that don't understand what you're supposed to do when you're shooting someone. You NEVER shoot to wound, you shoot to kill. You continue to shoot until the person stops moving. That's how this goes.

We'll see how this plays out in the court though. I think the officers will be let off (if charges arise, not sure if they have yet though)

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Quote from: Juggy777 on August 30, 2020, 02:12:12 AM

@PrimeNumber7 the children mentioned are his three small children, and I don’t think that he was ever going to harm them.

I don't think there is any basis to support this statement. Blake is a known violent criminal (which was known to police at the time), and is accused of grabbing someone by the pussy without consent (or warning).

Quote from: Juggy777 on August 30, 2020, 02:12:12 AM

Lastly this is a cold blooded murder and it took place because Blake was black, and American police needs to stop these murders asap.

1, Blake is not dead, so it is not murder. 2, there is zero evidence to support this is ratially motivated. The same is true for other recent police shootings involving black men. It is also true for the George Floyd case, in fact the body cam footage that the Democrat AG tried to keep under wraps is evidence that it was not racially motivated.

Quote from: Cnut237 on August 30, 2020, 01:11:57 AM

Rather it's about racism being endemic in the US police force (and to an extent this being symptomatic of racism within elements of the wider society).

There is no evidence to support this statement.

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Quote from: franky1 on August 30, 2020, 03:14:30 PM

but WALKING away at a normal pace, should not warrant a gun to be aimed at you.
cops need better training. put them in a football field and teach them to tackle

He wasn't shot for walking away!
He was shot for reaching for a weapon (knife) that was inside the car.

Usually when you are in a fight and the police come and tell you to stop and identify yourself you are supposed to do it. He did not respond, turned around and started walking away.
At that point he was technically fleeing. He can be walking at a slow or a fast pace, it doesn't matter. A suspect that doesn't respond to commands, turns around and leaves is fleeing the scene.
Then he begun to enter a car at which point the police is allowed to stop him because people often have guns in glove boxes or under their seats. They could use tasers of grab him and force him out of the car but they saw the knife and one of them obviously panicked and put whole magazine in the poor guys back. I don't know if he held the knife or just had it lying there but they should have tazed him or shot him in the leg once. I wouldn't want to tackle someone with a knife. Would you? You don't know if he has HIV, covid or any other bug. Pepper spray, a taser or a shot in the leg. They're rookies for sure, but I wouldn't call it murder.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on August 30, 2020, 02:12:12 AM

@franky1 this is a clear case of racism, (...)

No it's not.

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@PrimeNumber7 the children mentioned are his three small children, and I don’t think that he was ever going to harm them.

That's your opinion. The police doesn't know whose children they are and in what state of mind the guy is. He could be on drugs.

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Furthermore the video clearly shows him walking casually towards the car, he didn’t even make a run for it which would justify the officer’s claim that he was going for the knife.

It was his car. They had to stop him from entering it or he'd be able to floor it and possibly run them over. What normal person carries a knife under his car seat? Do you? I sure don't.
What normal guy when asked to stop by armed police turns away, ignores them and goes towards a weapon?

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Lastly this is a cold blooded murder and it took place because Blake was black, and American police needs to stop these murders asap.

No it's not a murder. They shot too many times but they had the right to shoot him in that situation.

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a body cam costs $20

a bobcat armoured vehicle costs $xxx,xxx .. defund the bobcats. the 'maintenance' bill every 6 months could pay for alot more

as for the person in this topic saying he was 'fleeing' which is a felony.
i know in hindesight many people can easily say how things could have been done better

but WALKING away at a normal pace, should not warrant a gun to be aimed at you.
cops need better training. put them in a football field and teach them to tackle

if they would rather shoot someone to avoid injuring a shoulder tackling someone. then that is not a 'eye for an eye' defence
train them how to apprehend someone without the words 'stop or ill shoot'

cops should not be using guns as stopsigns. thats just lack of training and laziness

if a white guy was uninvited to a party and cops showed up. and talked to him in the front yard. they would have just said thank you for leaving the property now get in your car and have a nice day

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Quote from: Gyfts on August 29, 2020, 04:34:52 PM

It would be nice if Kenosha PD had body cams so we could review the footage ourselves, but apparently that was in the budget for 2021. Hopefully this nonsense about defunding the police dies down and these cities at least mandate body cams.

I'm certain that defunding will be done at the least to slash those budgets for body cams.

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Quote from: franky1 on August 29, 2020, 03:10:02 PM

i find it stupid that police feel the need to shoot someone under the normal 'self defense' clause that allows cops to shoot. yet the guy got shot in the back, meaning he was running away, not towards

i find it even more stupid that while jacob blake is paralysed in hospital. police now feel that he is a risk of running off

is america really this dumb. i ask because the more americans i interact with the less common sense they seem to have

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Quote from: Charles-Tim on August 29, 2020, 05:20:01 PM

With what I read about the incident, Jacob black opened his car door, but maybe the police was thinking Jacob would bring out harmful weapon, this led to the police shooting him 7 times on his back. This is cruel as the act of a wicked person can be, the police did not shoot him 1 or 2 times but 7 times, which means the police could had hidden agenda. To me, I can call it racism because the police is a white man. The police is wicked and should be jailed for such awful misdeed. I like the fact that the police has been identified.

Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on August 29, 2020, 07:14:32 PM

Blake was under lawful arrest, and was fleeing, which makes him a fleeing felon. Police can use lethal force to protect themselves or the public from immediate harm.

There were children in the car, and Blake was holding a knife. If the police has not used force to stop Blake, he could have taken the children hostage, or he could have used the knife on the children.

Quote from: Cnut237 on August 30, 2020, 01:11:57 AM

Quote from: franky1 on August 29, 2020, 03:10:02 PM

i find it stupid that police feel the need to shoot someone under the normal 'self defense' clause that allows cops to shoot. yet the guy got shot in the back, meaning he was running away, not towards

i find it even more stupid that while jacob blake is paralysed in hospital. police now feel that he is a risk of running off

is america really this dumb. i ask because the more americans i interact with the less common sense they seem to have

I don't think the issue is Americans being stupid (they're not), or the police being stupid (they're probably not).
Rather it's about racism being endemic in the US police force (and to an extent this being symptomatic of racism within elements of the wider society). If you couple police racism with the fact that they are allowed to use lethal force, then it becomes an extremely urgent problem.

Whilst you can often find single cases to illustrate any point you want, particularly in a country as vast as the US, the fact that the police felt able to treat Jacob Blake this way given the current climate is a huge warning sign. We've had months of BLM protests since George Floyd; police racism and casual murder of non-whites is right at the top of the news... and must surely be in the forefront of the minds of every frontline police officer out there. And still, despite this, despite the police being fully aware of the wider situation, they still feel perfectly happy to attack and kill non-whites whenever they feel like it, and with zero justification. History suggests they can act with impunity - it is rare that they face justice.

@franky1 this is a clear case of racism, and there’s no doubt in my mind that had it been a white male in front of the officer, then he would have just fired in the air or fired at his knee to stop him.

@PrimeNumber7 the children mentioned are his three small children, and I don’t think that he was ever going to harm them.

Furthermore the video clearly shows him walking casually towards the car, he didn’t even make a run for it which would justify the officer’s claim that he was going for the knife.

Lastly this is a cold blooded murder and it took place because Blake was black, and American police needs to stop these murders asap.

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Mr White told the AP news agency that he heard police officers shout "Drop the knife!" before gunfire erupted, but said he didn't see a knife in Mr Blake's hands.

Sources:

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/us/2020/08/26/jacob-blake-shooting-second-video-family-attorney-newday-vpx.cnn

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53909766

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Quote from: franky1 on August 29, 2020, 03:10:02 PM

i find it stupid that police feel the need to shoot someone under the normal 'self defense' clause that allows cops to shoot. yet the guy got shot in the back, meaning he was running away, not towards

i find it even more stupid that while jacob blake is paralysed in hospital. police now feel that he is a risk of running off

is america really this dumb. i ask because the more americans i interact with the less common sense they seem to have

I don't think the issue is Americans being stupid (they're not), or the police being stupid (they're probably not).
Rather it's about racism being endemic in the US police force (and to an extent this being symptomatic of racism within elements of the wider society). If you couple police racism with the fact that they are allowed to use lethal force, then it becomes an extremely urgent problem.

Whilst you can often find single cases to illustrate any point you want, particularly in a country as vast as the US, the fact that the police felt able to treat Jacob Blake this way given the current climate is a huge warning sign. We've had months of BLM protests since George Floyd; police racism and casual murder of non-whites is right at the top of the news... and must surely be in the forefront of the minds of every frontline police officer out there. And still, despite this, despite the police being fully aware of the wider situation, they still feel perfectly happy to attack and kill non-whites whenever they feel like it, and with zero justification. History suggests they can act with impunity - it is rare that they face justice.

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Blake was under lawful arrest, and was fleeing, which makes him a fleeing felon. Police can use lethal force to protect themselves or the public from immediate harm.

There were children in the car, and Blake was holding a knife. If the police has not used force to stop Blake, he could have taken the children hostage, or he could have used the knife on the children.

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With what I read about the incident, Jacob black opened his car door, but maybe the police was thinking Jacob would bring out harmful weapon, this led to the police shooting him 7 times on his back. This is cruel as the act of a wicked person can be, the police did not shoot him 1 or 2 times but 7 times, which means the police could had hidden agenda. To me, I can call it racism because the police is a white man. The police is wicked and should be jailed for such awful misdeed. I like the fact that the police has been identified.

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It would be nice if Kenosha PD had body cams so we could review the footage ourselves, but apparently that was in the budget for 2021. Hopefully this nonsense about defunding the police dies down and these cities at least mandate body cams.

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i find it stupid that police feel the need to shoot someone under the normal 'self defense' clause that allows cops to shoot. yet the guy got shot in the back, meaning he was running away, not towards

i find it even more stupid that while jacob blake is paralysed in hospital. police now feel that he is a risk of running off

is america really this dumb. i ask because the more americans i interact with the less common sense they seem to have

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