If AI were to somehow hack into Bitcoin Core - page 2.

davis196

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During the past few years, most posts on Bitcointalk were about "Will Quantum computers destroy Bitcoin?".
Now the trend is shifting towards "Will AI destroy Bitcoin?". This is hilarious. What happened to Quantum computers? Are they still a threat? Grin

An AI bot cannot perform a 51% attack, because it lacks the resources and the potential profits won't be higher than the costs.
OP, you should learn more about how the blockchain works. I don't consider myself to be an expert, but such ignorant questions are funny.
I'm waiting for the next wave of forum posts titled "Will {insert random high tech term here} destroy/hack Bitcoin?" Grin

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Quote from: tread93 on February 19, 2023, 02:05:24 PM

Now this is an interesting subject. With AI becoming so advanced so quickly I wonder if it would ever even be possible for something like a crazy powerful AI computer w/ like unlimited computational power to hack into BTC Core and every system running it to change the code/transactional data? Its so wild even thinking about it, and obviously nearly impossible to do. But does anyone know the exact math or how to run an equation to figure out how advanced a system would need to be to do this? Obviously would need to be a 51% attack or more to achieve this, and I do believe the largest mining pools are run out of China, so largely they would probably need to be on board with something like that, right?

There's not going to be such thing as unlimited computational power, and if there would be, we would live in a whole different kind of world.
Anyway you can see the cost of 51% attack from here: https://www.crypto51.app/
It would be throwing money away because they would make way more money just using that mining power to mine bitcoin Tongue

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Quote from: Lucius on February 20, 2023, 05:51:09 AM

@tread93, unfortunately, you don't ask questions that have too much to do with reality - because 2-3 days ago you wondered if Satoshi left some kind of hidden entrance, today you think that AI will succeed in somehow harming Bitcoin - even though AI will not be intelligent enough for a long time to even recognize what is in a certain photo, let alone carry out sophisticated attacks on something much more complex.

It's sad to say, but we've been seeing it a lot lately - loads of people don't really get what today's "AI" is all about or how it works. Instead, their perceptions are heavily influenced by the depictions of artificial intelligence in science fiction and similar genres of popular literature and movies. Also, there's a fair bit of hype and exaggerated claims surrounding the capabilities of AI, which can fuel unrealistic expectations and contribute to misunderstandings about what it can actually do. That's why lots of folks think that AI will just magically turn into all-knowing machines that can solve any problem in a snap, but that's actually pretty far from the truth. While AI has made impressive strides in recent years and can indeed excel at certain tasks, such as processing large amounts of data, it still has its limitations and may never be able of truly human-like intelligence or solving complex problems without assistance.

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@tread93, unfortunately, you don't ask questions that have too much to do with reality - because 2-3 days ago you wondered if Satoshi left some kind of hidden entrance, today you think that AI will succeed in somehow harming Bitcoin - even though AI will not be intelligent enough for a long time to even recognize what is in a certain photo, let alone carry out sophisticated attacks on something much more complex.

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No. That's not how Bitcoin works. Kinda the whole point of Bitcoin is attacks don't work on it because it is decentralized. That's what makes it different than every other computer system in the world.

AI can't do anything. Now you could talk about a virus that is meant to infect Bitcoin nodes or Bitcoin miners or something (which doesn't require AI doing anything), but as soon as people realized it they would just shut down their machines.

As far as hacking Bitcoin Core, that isn't a system. It's just the code. The system is the many thousands-strong decentralized network that makes up the Bitcoin network. Changing the code on Github of Bitcoin Core won't do anything because the maintainers would immediately see it and see someone had hacked into their Github account and get rid of the changes.

Bitcoin is immune to the sorts of attacks that traditionally take down computer software programs. This is one of the reasons it is such a revolutionary technology and why its success has never been repeated and nothing challenges it.

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I doubt it would be feasible at all. It would be a wasted effort since the chain would simply fork and move on. Also, it would easily be a wrong move considering that that time could easily be poured into something more meaningful. And, the AI can write beautiful code all it wants, but that's not the point, it would still need a machine that has unlimited computational power that can do the actual work.

So no, the AI will not do shit. And if it does shit, the network can easily undo everything and just split from that chain.

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Bitcoin Core has never been hacked.

AI is trained by big data that originally created by human and if human have yet found bugs to hack Bitcoin Core, AI won't have enough data to learn and hack Bitcoin Core. Bitcoin Core have bugs with its software but has never been hacked and those bugs were fixed by Bitcoin Core developers with time and each version.

Bitcoin Core is not the only wallet software for Bitcoin and what hacks can steal our keys if we create our wallets offline, air-gapped?

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There's no AI that you are talking about. What people call today AI is just a digital parrot that copies certain skill without understanding what is it doing. Neural network can't write any sort of sophisticated code, it can't solve complex tasks. "AI hacking Bitcoin Core" is a complete nonsense. It's not even worth discussing.

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Quote from: tread93 on February 19, 2023, 04:42:36 PM

Just a flat out no haha love it. Okay well AI can’t get past BTC, the government can’t, is there anything that could possibly ever stop Bitcoin?

You kind of already answered it yourself: "something like a crazy powerful AI computer w/ like unlimited computational power", except the AI part is completely unnecessary and pointless. The SHA-256 algorithm used for mining is surprisingly simple and can in fact be done by hand (and possibly a calculator if you're really bad at math), but it requires an extremely large number of "rounds" to mine a block. Therefore, you do not require any 'intelligence' but rather a specialized chip that can process the algorithm rapidly. This is precisely what ASIC miners do.

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I do not think it will have the ability to hack Bitcoin core in its current state. Even quantum computers do not guarantee that they can hack Bitcoin security, what more an AI with limited computational power and data feeds.

For an AI to hack the blockchain, the AI creator must be knowledgeable enough to break the security of Bitcoin and feed the AI that information. , which I think is next to impossible.

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Quote from: tread93 on February 19, 2023, 02:05:24 PM

I wonder if it would ever even be possible for something like a crazy powerful AI computer w/ like unlimited computational power to hack into BTC Core

If there is ever an AI with unlimited computational power, then BTC may not be the first target or what we would worry about most at that time, it would first hack into other systems that don't really have strong protection. The banks, financial institutions and traditional services are not even safe. BTC network has a way to evolve to counter things like these, but if something like this happens, it isn't only the BTC network that would have to work on counter measures for it, almost every other system will have to as well. So people should stop it with the thought that quantum computers, AI are like a direct threat or a flaw to the BTC network.

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Quote from: odolvlobo on February 19, 2023, 04:00:14 PM

Quote from: tread93 on February 19, 2023, 02:05:24 PM

Now this is an interesting subject. With AI becoming so advanced so quickly I wonder if it would ever even be possible for something like a crazy powerful AI computer ...

No.

Just a flat out no haha love it. Okay well AI can’t get past BTC, the government can’t, is there anything that could possibly ever stop Bitcoin?

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Quote from: tread93 on February 19, 2023, 02:05:24 PM

Now this is an interesting subject. With AI becoming so advanced so quickly I wonder if it would ever even be possible for something like a crazy powerful AI computer ...

No.

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Quote from: tread93 on February 19, 2023, 02:05:24 PM

With AI becoming so advanced so quickly I wonder if it would ever even be possible for something like a crazy powerful AI computer w/ like unlimited computational power to hack into BTC Core and every system running it to change the code/transactional data?

No. If someone could hack the Github repo and introduce malicious code in to Bitcoin Core, then it would be very quickly picked up and announced in the community and no one would download and use the malicious version, therefore achieving nothing. It is not possible to simultaneously hack every instance of Bitcoin Core which is currently running in order to change the code of every single node. And even if such a thing did happen, the new forked coin would not be bitcoin and every node could just revert to and older non-malicious version of the software and pick up the real bitcoin chain where it was left off.

Quote from: tread93 on February 19, 2023, 02:05:24 PM

Obviously would need to be a 51% attack or more to achieve this, and I do believe the largest mining pools are run out of China, so largely they would probably need to be on board with something like that, right?

A 51% attack is a completely different concept and has to do with a single malicious miner controlling a majority of the hashrate. It has nothing to do with hacking Bitcoin Core.

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Right. They need to have lost their minds to do that. Because any malicious attack would result in a hard fork, and thus, their now shitcoin is worthless.

An AI with unlimited CCAP is a fiction, even if something like that existed, bitcoin would be the perfect currency if we are speaking about intelligence here and not a dumb talking machine. The concern that stems from the notion of having a super intelligence computer is that, they could enslave us, confine us, and at the end when the machine sees that we can't change, it would plot an extinction level event.

We are essentially afraid of AI because it can see through our BS, and since it's a machine, it wouldn't feel anything when it tries to kill us all.
Bottom line, AI and bitcoin are actually the same.!

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Now this is an interesting subject. With AI becoming so advanced so quickly I wonder if it would ever even be possible for something like a crazy powerful AI computer w/ like unlimited computational power to hack into BTC Core and every system running it to change the code/transactional data? Its so wild even thinking about it, and obviously nearly impossible to do. But does anyone know the exact math or how to run an equation to figure out how advanced a system would need to be to do this? Obviously would need to be a 51% attack or more to achieve this, and I do believe the largest mining pools are run out of China, so largely they would probably need to be on board with something like that, right?

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