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Topic: If any hardware makers really want to succeed!! - page 3. (Read 2464 times)

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More than any of this, the first company to abandon the pre-order model will succeed.  The time from payment to delivery is still absurdly long and that gap needs to be closed.  Vendors either need to start taking a non-refundable deposit of 10% of order value with the balance payable when they're ready to ship, or they need to bite the bullet and sell on a purely FIFO basis once they have units available for delivery.  

That none of them are doing this almost a year into the ASIC game is worrying because it suggests that they don't have adequate financial backing and are relying too heavily on pre-order funds to meet current costs rather than using the profits from pre-orders to fund production of the next batch (allowing the never-ending pre-order cycle to be broken).  

I left this out as it was obvious that the preorder route is getting real old, but your right on point. Whats mind boggling is how Avalon with 1-2 people and butterfly labs with millions of dollars still hasnt delivered. Thats disturbing with Avalon they should have more than enough to produce units ready to be sold. Instead of still taking pre orders.
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More than any of this, the first company to abandon the pre-order model will succeed.  The time from payment to delivery is still absurdly long and that gap needs to be closed.  Vendors either need to start taking a non-refundable deposit of 10% of order value with the balance payable when they're ready to ship, or they need to bite the bullet and sell on a purely FIFO basis once they have units available for delivery.  

That none of them are doing this almost a year into the ASIC game is worrying because it suggests that they don't have adequate financial backing and are relying too heavily on pre-order funds to meet current costs rather than using the profits from pre-orders to fund production of the next batch (allowing the never-ending pre-order cycle to be broken).  
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Secondly,  stop charging in bitcoin that just screams greedy selfish asshole.
You're right, Bitcoin is worthless and nobody should sell their goods for bitcoins.

Should I call a European company greedy and selfish for charging EUR for their products?  Of course not, and so it makes no sense to call a Bitcoin company greedy and selfish for charging BTC for their product.

"But if I shop online, a European company will automatically convert EUR to USD for me!"  That's because neither EUR nor USD is an acceptable online currency; neither currency makes sense across borders.  Bitcoin does.  Bitcoin is an international, internet-compliant currency.  If I were shopping in Germany, should I expect to use USD to buy products?  Of course not, I would exchange my USD to the local currency  By the same reasoning, I should exchange my USD to BTC to shop online at a Bitcoin-based company.

The only reasons a Bitcoin company should charge local fiat for their products are A) as a convenience to their customers, or B) they don't have any faith in Bitcoin.

I agree that, right now, a company selling bitcoin mining equipment for local fiat will be more profitable.  But, during these early growing pains of the Bitcoin ecosystem, we really need pioneers to take the bull by the horns and drive the point home that BTC is a currency too.  I consider companies like Avalon more successful.

Completely missed the point. The EUR or USD dont have 50-200% price swings in a months time. Im all for of using bitcoin to make purchases if it was stable.
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Secondly,  stop charging in bitcoin that just screams greedy selfish asshole.
You're right, Bitcoin is worthless and nobody should sell their goods for bitcoins.

Should I call a European company greedy and selfish for charging EUR for their products?  Of course not, and so it makes no sense to call a Bitcoin company greedy and selfish for charging BTC for their product.

"But if I shop online, a European company will automatically convert EUR to USD for me!"  That's because neither EUR nor USD is an acceptable online currency; neither currency makes sense across borders.  Bitcoin does.  Bitcoin is an international, internet-compliant currency.  If I were shopping in Germany, should I expect to use USD to buy products?  Of course not, I would exchange my USD to the local currency  By the same reasoning, I should exchange my USD to BTC to shop online at a Bitcoin-based company.

The only reasons a Bitcoin company should charge local fiat for their products are A) as a convenience to their customers, or B) they don't have any faith in Bitcoin.

I agree that, right now, a company selling bitcoin mining equipment for local fiat will be more profitable.  But, during these early growing pains of the Bitcoin ecosystem, we really need pioneers to take the bull by the horns and drive the point home that BTC is a currency too.  I consider companies like Avalon more successful.
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BigTimeCoin ordered his chips up front.

kcminer shows indications that they will accept fiat.

I concur with your thoughts on Avalon. BFL also seems hostile towards the folks that have trusted them with their BTC.

I don't understand it.

A company that delivers the goods, with only even pretending to respect customers, will make BTCoatloads.

Simple... thats the difference between professionals and amateurs/hobbyists when it comes to running a successful business.
I would bet that many persons running bitcoin companies today don't have the education needed to run a real successful company, had a top management position, or even been employed at all.
Some will learn the hard way, most won't.
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BigTimeCoin ordered his chips up front.

kcminer shows indications that they will accept fiat.

I concur with your thoughts on Avalon. BFL also seems hostile towards the folks that have trusted them with their BTC.

I don't understand it.

A company that delivers the goods, with only even pretending to respect customers, will make BTCoatloads.
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Many of you guys posting about hardware builds with avalon chips, need to do a few things if you really want people to support you in the long term.

First have different offerings, so far the offerings are 10chips all the way hundreds of chips.
I want a 50-100gh/sec in one package, not a room with 100 boards.

Secondly,  stop charging in bitcoin that just screams greedy selfish asshole. Avalon bullshits us with their magical formula on how they come up with pricing, meanwhile their formula doesnt account for price change. If bitcoin was as stable as fiat and not have price swings of 300% then it would be ok.

75bitcoin x 250 and 75bitcoin x 50 is a really big difference. It's like Caterpiller changing the price of their mining equipment because the price of gold went up. Successful companies charge fixed costs they don't tie their price to something. Ohh corn prices tripled so did our harvester. Its just real scummy doing so, thats why avalon will die when real customer focused companies come out.

If anybody can do this and continue to do it they will completely crush the avalons and the butterfly labs. It might not happen now but sooner or later it will.
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