Topic: If Ayn Rand never existed Bitcoin might actually be bearable. (Read 2140 times)

Quote from: ElectricMucus on March 19, 2015, 07:25:43 PM

When you find a solution to one of these problems you care about so much that doesn't involve exortion or emotional blackmail feel free to post it and I'd be happy to support you.

How do you feel about eating the rich? Not shooting them, just feeding them alive to the millions of starving poor created by their greed.

I know a couple of rich people who was working really hard for decades to get rich. Some of them was even working at night too just to get some job done for the deadline, some of them kept working almost all day on some designs or inventions. In the same time "the poor" was hanging around the pub and kept joking on these blokes. Finally these guys got (sometimes extremely) rich and now "the poor" in the pub condemning them for being bloodsucking capitalist.

That is precisely why I'm getting fed up of the anti-capitalist rhetoric, not all rich people are con-artists, some are just either incredibly lucky or have worked very hard to get where they are, adding to that, to try and get rid of capitalism you're trying to get rid of basic mathematics and that's about as impossible as trying to defy the laws of physics.

>>have worked very hard to get where they are

Any examples of people who got rich without manipulating/scamming/controlling others? Without doing illegal/immoral things?

As for the mathematics, i dont know man, mathematics clearly show that debts cant be paid back Wink

Mathematics also pretty clearly point out that in order for someone to have gains others will need to have a loss.

And please define the "not all rich people are con-artists". Because if 90% of them are, then you can pretty much show a nice correlation...

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Quote from: Spendulus on March 19, 2015, 06:26:07 PM

Quote from: ElectricMucus on March 19, 2015, 01:20:49 PM

Almost everything is more worth reading than Ayn Rand, and comparing one delusional bullshit to another isn't helping either.

Quote from: Spendulus on March 19, 2015, 06:50:40 AM

Exactly, you can't just dismiss mathematics, I learned this a long time ago, when Marxists and Communists have a mathematical solution to the problems they perceive with Capitalism I'll gladly listen to them, because until then they're just whining. That said, I do think that anti-austerity protestors and the like are worse because they just want this bullshit to continue and only care about themselves, they're the most selfish ones of all because even if they economy is destroyed as long as they get their pensions and pay they're happy, but mainly, it's just the pensions they give a fuck about.

Very true. I think every sensible housewife could tell to the politicians what to do when the family income isn't enough. Yes, get a better job, or get a second work, but until that's done immediate austerity measures are needed to keep things floating. (Of course banksters are offering an alternative by using credit cards and keep spending happily, but everyone with some minimal common sense knows how that will end.) According to my past experience only the kids used to make anti-austerity protests and supporting the use of credit cards...

Kids know that they're the ones who are going to have to pay for everything if the anti-austerity protestors have their way, that's why most of the protestors out there are all old or middle-aged, the rest are Anarchists etc. who are pissed off that they're being shafted so the older generation doesn't have to deal with the consequences. This kind of thing is precisely why I support cryptocurrencies, any money I get is not going to get robbed by people who want it now so they can spend it on whatever the hell they like, when these guys are going to honestly pay for the healthcare and pensions that they want then they'll get my money.

Not everybody who dismisses Anarcho-Capitalism or even Randroids is a communist. It's more like that very few people actually don't get the difference between idealogical extremism and practical politics. In particular the difference is people who payed attention in school during political education classes and ones who get their ideology from fringe books.

Well, you started off saying things that although opposite from my opinions, seemed reasonably rational, and then I hit the bolded part....

yeah I'm a pretty evil statist troll, continue to think of schools as indoctrination centers and go stock up on green tip ammo, just in case.

I guess "paying attention" could be interpreted a variety of ways....

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Columnist Madeleine Bunting quotes Harris from his book The End of Faith: "Some propositions are so dangerous that it may even be ethical to kill people for believing them."

He seems to got quite close to some of those dangerous propositions

. Ironic...

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Quote from: Spendulus on March 19, 2015, 06:26:07 PM

Quote from: ElectricMucus on March 19, 2015, 01:20:49 PM

Almost everything is more worth reading than Ayn Rand, and comparing one delusional bullshit to another isn't helping either.

Quote from: Spendulus on March 19, 2015, 06:50:40 AM

Exactly, you can't just dismiss mathematics, I learned this a long time ago, when Marxists and Communists have a mathematical solution to the problems they perceive with Capitalism I'll gladly listen to them, because until then they're just whining. That said, I do think that anti-austerity protestors and the like are worse because they just want this bullshit to continue and only care about themselves, they're the most selfish ones of all because even if they economy is destroyed as long as they get their pensions and pay they're happy, but mainly, it's just the pensions they give a fuck about.

Very true. I think every sensible housewife could tell to the politicians what to do when the family income isn't enough. Yes, get a better job, or get a second work, but until that's done immediate austerity measures are needed to keep things floating. (Of course banksters are offering an alternative by using credit cards and keep spending happily, but everyone with some minimal common sense knows how that will end.) According to my past experience only the kids used to make anti-austerity protests and supporting the use of credit cards...

Kids know that they're the ones who are going to have to pay for everything if the anti-austerity protestors have their way, that's why most of the protestors out there are all old or middle-aged, the rest are Anarchists etc. who are pissed off that they're being shafted so the older generation doesn't have to deal with the consequences. This kind of thing is precisely why I support cryptocurrencies, any money I get is not going to get robbed by people who want it now so they can spend it on whatever the hell they like, when these guys are going to honestly pay for the healthcare and pensions that they want then they'll get my money.

Not everybody who dismisses Anarcho-Capitalism or even Randroids is a communist. It's more like that very few people actually don't get the difference between idealogical extremism and practical politics. In particular the difference is people who payed attention in school during political education classes and ones who get their ideology from fringe books.

Well, you started off saying things that although opposite from my opinions, seemed reasonably rational, and then I hit the bolded part....

yeah I'm a pretty evil statist troll, continue to think of schools as indoctrination centers and go stock up on green tip ammo, just in case.

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Quote from: AtheistAKASaneBrain on March 18, 2015, 08:10:11 AM

Ayn Rand has been deprecated by contemporary philosophers and thinkers such as Sam Harris, more worth reading than A.R.

Not at all. Harris focuses on different things. Some of his ideas are totally wacko.

Columnist Madeleine Bunting quotes Harris from his book The End of Faith: "Some propositions are so dangerous that it may even be ethical to kill people for believing them."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Harris

What propositions were those? That anyone without blue eyes and blonde hair should be disarmed & exterminated? That anyone who isn't Caucasian should be disarmed & enslaved?

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Quote from: ElectricMucus on March 19, 2015, 01:20:49 PM

Almost everything is more worth reading than Ayn Rand, and comparing one delusional bullshit to another isn't helping either.

Exactly, you can't just dismiss mathematics, I learned this a long time ago, when Marxists and Communists have a mathematical solution to the problems they perceive with Capitalism I'll gladly listen to them, because until then they're just whining. That said, I do think that anti-austerity protestors and the like are worse because they just want this bullshit to continue and only care about themselves, they're the most selfish ones of all because even if they economy is destroyed as long as they get their pensions and pay they're happy, but mainly, it's just the pensions they give a fuck about.

Very true. I think every sensible housewife could tell to the politicians what to do when the family income isn't enough. Yes, get a better job, or get a second work, but until that's done immediate austerity measures are needed to keep things floating. (Of course banksters are offering an alternative by using credit cards and keep spending happily, but everyone with some minimal common sense knows how that will end.) According to my past experience only the kids used to make anti-austerity protests and supporting the use of credit cards...

Kids know that they're the ones who are going to have to pay for everything if the anti-austerity protestors have their way, that's why most of the protestors out there are all old or middle-aged, the rest are Anarchists etc. who are pissed off that they're being shafted so the older generation doesn't have to deal with the consequences. This kind of thing is precisely why I support cryptocurrencies, any money I get is not going to get robbed by people who want it now so they can spend it on whatever the hell they like, when these guys are going to honestly pay for the healthcare and pensions that they want then they'll get my money.

Not everybody who dismisses Anarcho-Capitalism or even Randroids is a communist. It's more like that very few people actually don't get the difference between idealogical extremism and practical politics. In particular the difference is people who payed attention in school during political education classes and ones who get their ideology from fringe books.

Well, you started off saying things that although opposite from my opinions, seemed reasonably rational, and then I hit the bolded part....

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Almost everything is more worth reading than Ayn Rand, and comparing one delusional bullshit to another isn't helping either.

Quote from: AtheistAKASaneBrain on March 18, 2015, 08:10:11 AM

Exactly, you can't just dismiss mathematics, I learned this a long time ago, when Marxists and Communists have a mathematical solution to the problems they perceive with Capitalism I'll gladly listen to them, because until then they're just whining. That said, I do think that anti-austerity protestors and the like are worse because they just want this bullshit to continue and only care about themselves, they're the most selfish ones of all because even if they economy is destroyed as long as they get their pensions and pay they're happy, but mainly, it's just the pensions they give a fuck about.

Very true. I think every sensible housewife could tell to the politicians what to do when the family income isn't enough. Yes, get a better job, or get a second work, but until that's done immediate austerity measures are needed to keep things floating. (Of course banksters are offering an alternative by using credit cards and keep spending happily, but everyone with some minimal common sense knows how that will end.) According to my past experience only the kids used to make anti-austerity protests and supporting the use of credit cards...

Kids know that they're the ones who are going to have to pay for everything if the anti-austerity protestors have their way, that's why most of the protestors out there are all old or middle-aged, the rest are Anarchists etc. who are pissed off that they're being shafted so the older generation doesn't have to deal with the consequences. This kind of thing is precisely why I support cryptocurrencies, any money I get is not going to get robbed by people who want it now so they can spend it on whatever the hell they like, when these guys are going to honestly pay for the healthcare and pensions that they want then they'll get my money.

Not everybody who dismisses Anarcho-Capitalism or even Randroids is a communist. It's more like that very few people actually don't get the difference between idealogical extremism and practical politics. In particular the difference is people who payed attention in school during political education classes and ones who get their ideology from fringe books.

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Ayn Rand has been deprecated by contemporary philosophers and thinkers such as Sam Harris, more worth reading than A.R.

Not at all. Harris focuses on different things. Some of his ideas are totally wacko.

Columnist Madeleine Bunting quotes Harris from his book The End of Faith: "Some propositions are so dangerous that it may even be ethical to kill people for believing them."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Harris

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Exactly, you can't just dismiss mathematics, I learned this a long time ago, when Marxists and Communists have a mathematical solution to the problems they perceive with Capitalism I'll gladly listen to them, because until then they're just whining. That said, I do think that anti-austerity protestors and the like are worse because they just want this bullshit to continue and only care about themselves, they're the most selfish ones of all because even if they economy is destroyed as long as they get their pensions and pay they're happy, but mainly, it's just the pensions they give a fuck about.

Very true. I think every sensible housewife could tell to the politicians what to do when the family income isn't enough. Yes, get a better job, or get a second work, but until that's done immediate austerity measures are needed to keep things floating. (Of course banksters are offering an alternative by using credit cards and keep spending happily, but everyone with some minimal common sense knows how that will end.) According to my past experience only the kids used to make anti-austerity protests and supporting the use of credit cards...

Kids know that they're the ones who are going to have to pay for everything if the anti-austerity protestors have their way, that's why most of the protestors out there are all old or middle-aged, the rest are Anarchists etc. who are pissed off that they're being shafted so the older generation doesn't have to deal with the consequences. This kind of thing is precisely why I support cryptocurrencies, any money I get is not going to get robbed by people who want it now so they can spend it on whatever the hell they like, when these guys are going to honestly pay for the healthcare and pensions that they want then they'll get my money.

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Ayn Rand has been deprecated by contemporary philosophers and thinkers such as Sam Harris, more worth reading than A.R.

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Quote from: Snail2 on March 18, 2015, 06:49:19 AM

Exactly, you can't just dismiss mathematics, I learned this a long time ago, when Marxists and Communists have a mathematical solution to the problems they perceive with Capitalism I'll gladly listen to them, because until then they're just whining. That said, I do think that anti-austerity protestors and the like are worse because they just want this bullshit to continue and only care about themselves, they're the most selfish ones of all because even if they economy is destroyed as long as they get their pensions and pay they're happy, but mainly, it's just the pensions they give a fuck about.

Very true. I think every sensible housewife could tell to the politicians what to do when the family income isn't enough. Yes, get a better job, or get a second work, but until that's done immediate austerity measures are needed to keep things floating. (Of course banksters are offering an alternative by using credit cards and keep spending happily, but everyone with some minimal common sense knows how that will end.) According to my past experience only the kids used to make anti-austerity protests and supporting the use of credit cards...

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Quote from: Lethn on March 18, 2015, 05:44:31 AM

That is precisely why I'm getting fed up of the anti-capitalist rhetoric, not all rich people are con-artists, some are just either incredibly lucky or have worked very hard to get where they are, adding to that, to try and get rid of capitalism you're trying to get rid of basic mathematics and that's about as impossible as trying to defy the laws of physics.

As I grown up in one of the so called commie states I've seen how the economy felt apart from the very bottom to the top because of the lack of the very basic maths and psychology. The marxist economy is destined to fail by design. IMO those hard working first and second generation "capitalists" used to move the world forward.

Exactly, you can't just dismiss mathematics, I learned this a long time ago, when Marxists and Communists have a mathematical solution to the problems they perceive with Capitalism I'll gladly listen to them, because until then they're just whining. That said, I do think that anti-austerity protestors and the like are worse because they just want this bullshit to continue and only care about themselves, they're the most selfish ones of all because even if they economy is destroyed as long as they get their pensions and pay they're happy, but mainly, it's just the pensions they give a fuck about.

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Quote from: Lethn on March 18, 2015, 05:44:31 AM

That is precisely why I'm getting fed up of the anti-capitalist rhetoric, not all rich people are con-artists, some are just either incredibly lucky or have worked very hard to get where they are, adding to that, to try and get rid of capitalism you're trying to get rid of basic mathematics and that's about as impossible as trying to defy the laws of physics.

As I grown up in one of the so called commie states I've seen how the economy felt apart from the very bottom to the top because of the lack of the very basic maths and psychology. The marxist economy is destined to fail by design. IMO those hard working first and second generation "capitalists" used to move the world forward.

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Quote from: Snail2 on March 18, 2015, 05:25:11 AM

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Quote from: Beliathon on March 17, 2015, 08:07:57 PM

When you find a solution to one of these problems you care about so much that doesn't involve exortion or emotional blackmail feel free to post it and I'd be happy to support you.

How do you feel about eating the rich? Not shooting them, just feeding them alive to the millions of starving poor created by their greed.

I know a couple of rich people who was working really hard for decades to get rich. Some of them was even working at night too just to get some job done for the deadline, some of them kept working almost all day on some designs or inventions. In the same time "the poor" was hanging around the pub and kept joking on these blokes. Finally these guys got (sometimes extremely) rich and now "the poor" in the pub condemning them for being bloodsucking capitalist.

That is precisely why I'm getting fed up of the anti-capitalist rhetoric, not all rich people are con-artists, some are just either incredibly lucky or have worked very hard to get where they are, adding to that, to try and get rid of capitalism you're trying to get rid of basic mathematics and that's about as impossible as trying to defy the laws of physics.

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Quote from: Beliathon on March 17, 2015, 08:07:57 PM

When you find a solution to one of these problems you care about so much that doesn't involve exortion or emotional blackmail feel free to post it and I'd be happy to support you.

How do you feel about eating the rich? Not shooting them, just feeding them alive to the millions of starving poor created by their greed.

I know a couple of rich people who was working really hard for decades to get rich. Some of them was even working at night too just to get some job done for the deadline, some of them kept working almost all day on some designs or inventions. In the same time "the poor" was hanging around the pub and kept joking on these blokes. Finally these guys got (sometimes extremely) rich and now "the poor" in the pub condemning them for being bloodsucking capitalist.

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Quote from: Beliathon on March 17, 2015, 08:07:57 PM

When you find a solution to one of these problems you care about so much that doesn't involve exortion or emotional blackmail feel free to post it and I'd be happy to support you.

How do you feel about eating the rich? Not shooting them, just feeding them alive to the millions of starving poor created by their greed.

That's even worse, nice work, you're saying to the poor they should essentially become cannabals? Nah, also, blaming the rich is a tired old tactic used by anti-capitalists to create a scapegoat rather than actually fix the problem and frankly, everyone knows what's causing the huge cap between the rich and the poor, it's hyperinflation. However everybody's too happy with the current system at the moment of screwing over their children in order to get a fancy house to care.

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Quote from: Beliathon on March 17, 2015, 08:07:57 PM

When you find a solution to one of these problems you care about so much that doesn't involve exortion or emotional blackmail feel free to post it and I'd be happy to support you.

How do you feel about eating the rich? Not shooting them, just feeding them alive to the millions of starving poor created by their greed.

Look, if your business model was barbecue sauce...

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When you find a solution to one of these problems you care about so much that doesn't involve exortion or emotional blackmail feel free to post it and I'd be happy to support you.

How do you feel about eating the rich? Not shooting them, just feeding them alive to the millions of starving poor created by their greed.

Fresh meat. More enzymes. Do you get to wash them first? Grin

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