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i dont think so that if the price of bitcoin rise to 10000USD the fiat currency will be worthless. i think in near future it is not possible that the price of bitcoin will reach to 10000 it will take years i think to reach to this level. even then it is not possible that tie fiat will be worthless.

It depends on why bitcoin got such a high value. If it's from investors investing tons and tons into bitcoin then I think fiat won't be worthless but just worth less if you catch my drift.
Bankers won't allow this anyways unless they can claim a monopoly on bitcoin.
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If bitcoin price reaches that high that means something must have happened to fiat already to trigger an event which makes bitcoin even that high.
I think bitcoin would only get that high if it would be used as a main currency globally.
I agree, and it cannot be the mainstream currency when it will not be legalized, maybe before I will hear a news that bitcoin will be legalize that would only be the time that I would say that it will replace fiat which makes it worthless, but for now, I do not think so.
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If bitcoin price reaches that high that means something must have happened to fiat already to trigger an event which makes bitcoin even that high.
I think bitcoin would only get that high if it would be used as a main currency globally.
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In one of the topics I read "If bitcoin will reach $10.000, fiat currency has become worthless"
Do you agree with this statement?

1 BTC = $10,000 means that Bitcoin worth is being measured in dollars, how could fiat possibly be worthless? If fiat is worthless then Bitcoin is worthless . Perhaps you mean "redundant" instead of "worthless", that would make more sense. No, I don't think fiat would become redundant even if Bitcoin reaches beyond $10,000. In its current form, Bitcoin simply cannot be used as a replacement for fiat.

Redundant looks more like a euphemism for worthless rather than a notion which has its own separate meaning. I'm still curious, why people keep repeating the same bullshit again and again? If some fiat money becomes worthless (for example, the US dollar), it simply gets "delisted", and Bitcoin is now measured in some other currency (for example, euros or yuans). If all fiats become worthless or "redundant" (a purely hypothetical situation), then Bitcoin becomes the money...

Isn't that what the majority of us are looking for?
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In one of the topics I read "If bitcoin will reach $10.000, fiat currency has become worthless"
Do you agree with this statement?

1 BTC = $10,000 means that Bitcoin worth is being measured in dollars, how could fiat possibly be worthless? If fiat is worthless then Bitcoin is worthless. Perhaps you mean "redundant" instead of "worthless", that would make more sense. No, I don't think fiat would become redundant even if Bitcoin reaches beyond $10,000. In its current form, Bitcoin simply cannot be used as a replacement for fiat.
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the dramatic devaluation of fiat will almost certainly lead to an increase in the purchasing power of Bitcoin, i.e. you will be able to buy more than today with the same amount of bitcoins...

Since people will run into safe havens from fiat, and Bitcoin may well be one such haven

That doesnt follow automatically.  If they print dollars into worthless paper then bitcoin does not buy more goods, it buys more dollars because each dollar is worth less.    We can hope more people use bitcoin at that point but it could even be that bitcoin is used less, after all there is lots of different cryptographic coins not just this one.   All you need is some Elon Musk kind of genius to possibly wipe out alot of progress bitcoin got by copying its good points and overcoming any limitations it has.
 Maybe not that easy because its the wider network not one guy but I think its possible the fall of dollar does not accelerate bitcoin to greater purchasing power, it might just stay the same

Why did you exclude the first part of my post where I specifically mentioned about all other things remaining the same? Further, if you have been reading my post carefully (which you obviously haven't), you would have noticed I said that Bitcoin may be one of such safe havens. So what part of my post are you challenging exactly? People always get rid of collapsing currencies and spend money as soon as they are paid with it buying all sorts of things in an effort to preserve value. And if they can, they will buy foreign currency which is most stable. That may be Bitcoin, and it may as well lead to a more expensive Bitcoin than it is now in absolute terms (i.e. in the purchasing power terms) due to a significantly higher demand for it (emphasis added)...

Have you ever felt the impact of hyperinflation with your own skin?
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I dont think price of the bitcoin dropped to that high but i think that the fiat wont be worthless because fiat is used for other things and i know that fiat is not much worth off course.
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Lol if the price of the bitcoin rises up to that much off course wont the fiat be usefull becuase the fiat has an other value than the bitcoin and that will always be so dont worry.
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Well if flat will be worthless then no one will exchange Bitcoin to flat anymore because flat is worthless already. But what i think is flat will never become worthless even Bitcoin price in the future will become really big. Because $ is our standard money wherein everyone knows how to use it.

i think fiat is still worthless because as long as bitcoin is not have legality from government, i think its hard to make bitcoin reach that amount, maybe it can, but people still trust on fiat as their currency. beside that, large people still using fiat, and only of us which using bitcoin as investment, trading, and gambling.
Cheesy thats true, fiat is always worthless because of that endless printing of the money that is happening in the usa
You can never say that, I would only believe that fiat is worthless if you are not using it now, whatever we say fiat will always remain and even how successful bitcoin will be, they cannot beat nor replace fiat under any circumstances, mark my word.
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the dramatic devaluation of fiat will almost certainly lead to an increase in the purchasing power of Bitcoin, i.e. you will be able to buy more than today with the same amount of bitcoins...

Since people will run into safe havens from fiat, and Bitcoin may well be one such haven

That doesnt follow automatically.  If they print dollars into worthless paper then bitcoin does not buy more goods, it buys more dollars because each dollar is worth less.    We can hope more people use bitcoin at that point but it could even be that bitcoin is used less, after all there is lots of different cryptographic coins not just this one.   All you need is some Elon Musk kind of genius to possibly wipe out alot of progress bitcoin got by copying its good points and overcoming any limitations it has.
 Maybe not that easy because its the wider network not one guy but I think its possible the fall of dollar does not accelerate bitcoin to greater purchasing power, it might just stay the same
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Well if flat will be worthless then no one will exchange Bitcoin to flat anymore because flat is worthless already. But what i think is flat will never become worthless even Bitcoin price in the future will become really big. Because $ is our standard money wherein everyone knows how to use it.

i think fiat is still worthless because as long as bitcoin is not have legality from government, i think its hard to make bitcoin reach that amount, maybe it can, but people still trust on fiat as their currency. beside that, large people still using fiat, and only of us which using bitcoin as investment, trading, and gambling.
Cheesy thats true, fiat is always worthless because of that endless printing of the money that is happening in the usa

Whatever going to be the value of bitcoin for sure fiat will remain unless the government is going to implement the total use of bitcoin.

And they are going to reject and totally forget the use of fiat then that is going to say the prediction of fiat money to become worthless.

The government is still the one who is going to decide.
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Well if flat will be worthless then no one will exchange Bitcoin to flat anymore because flat is worthless already. But what i think is flat will never become worthless even Bitcoin price in the future will become really big. Because $ is our standard money wherein everyone knows how to use it.

i think fiat is still worthless because as long as bitcoin is not have legality from government, i think its hard to make bitcoin reach that amount, maybe it can, but people still trust on fiat as their currency. beside that, large people still using fiat, and only of us which using bitcoin as investment, trading, and gambling.
Cheesy thats true, fiat is always worthless because of that endless printing of the money that is happening in the usa
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Yeah and even if bitcoin touches that price people will still prefer to sell them and convert to fiat so I don't think that fiat is going anywhere and the first choice of people will always be fiat.

Yes and if ever bitcoin will reached that price, it will just make fiat much worth. Since people care for the bitcoin price, they are happy for that kind of achievement of bitcoin and eventually they will sold their coins to take profit.

What is the sense of having a high price value for bitcoin if fiat will be worthless.

I agree, and if in that time that bitcoin is worth 10,000 usd and bitcoin adoption stay in what it is right now, then i really think if fiat is worthless, then bitcoin will be worthless too.  Since you need to convert your bitcoin to fiat in  order to buy things that is needed in our daily lives and other stuff that is used for luxury purpose.

If all other things remain the same (except fiat inflation expanding like a supernova), you will buy with your bitcoins the same amount of daily things as you do today. It is the price measured in dollars that will change (grow) proportionally. In real life, though, the dramatic devaluation of fiat will almost certainly lead to an increase in the purchasing power of Bitcoin, i.e. you will be able to buy more than today with the same amount of bitcoins...

Since people will run into safe havens from fiat, and Bitcoin may well be one such haven
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Yeah and even if bitcoin touches that price people will still prefer to sell them and convert to fiat so I don't think that fiat is going anywhere and the first choice of people will always be fiat.

Yes and if ever bitcoin will reached that price, it will just make fiat much worth. Since people care for the bitcoin price, they are happy for that kind of achievement of bitcoin and eventually they will sold their coins to take profit.

What is the sense of having a high price value for bitcoin if fiat will be worthless.

I agree, and if in that time that bitcoin is worth 10,000 usd and bitcoin adoption stay in what it is right now, then i really think if fiat is worthless, then bitcoin will be worthless too.  Since you need to convert your bitcoin to fiat in  order to buy things that is needed in our daily lives and other stuff that is used for luxury purpose.
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As long as bitcoin is dependent to USD, I don't think that fiat would be useless. As long as the majority of the people in the world still uses fiat, then we cannot assume that bitcoin would overtake fiat and the latter would be a useless piece of paper. Also, the governments wouldn't let this happen, of course. They wouldn't let their pieces of paper crumble just because of some magic internet money.
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I don't think so, bitcoin price will not affect the fiat, even the price of bitcoin reach $100.000, fiat still worth and many people still using fiat. Bitcoin will not affect fiat.
yes it is not such an easy job to make fiat worthless, actually the number of people using bitcoin is very low therefore most of the people are still using and depending of fiat, therefore fiat cannot be made worthless in recently.

The fiat will always be supported by the government. That is a good way to exploit the people with inflation.

I don't think whatever is the price of bitcoin is going to be still fiat is going to be there and not going to be worthless. And besides the people are used to use fiat money and not with bitcoin. So even bitcoin is going to reach $1,000,000 then that is not going to make fiat worthless because not all the people on Earth knows bitcoin.

Yeah and even if bitcoin touches that price people will still prefer to sell them and convert to fiat so I don't think that fiat is going anywhere and the first choice of people will always be fiat.

i think bitcoin need to be earned direcly, via job maybe? as long as people will deal with fiat they will always prefer fiat over anything else, they need to be accustomed to deal with bitcoin as a main currency
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Well if flat will be worthless then no one will exchange Bitcoin to flat anymore because flat is worthless already. But what i think is flat will never become worthless even Bitcoin price in the future will become really big. Because $ is our standard money wherein everyone knows how to use it.

i think fiat is still worthless because as long as bitcoin is not have legality from government, i think its hard to make bitcoin reach that amount, maybe it can, but people still trust on fiat as their currency. beside that, large people still using fiat, and only of us which using bitcoin as investment, trading, and gambling.
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Yeah and even if bitcoin touches that price people will still prefer to sell them and convert to fiat so I don't think that fiat is going anywhere and the first choice of people will always be fiat.

Yes and if ever bitcoin will reached that price, it will just make fiat much worth. Since people care for the bitcoin price, they are happy for that kind of achievement of bitcoin and eventually they will sold their coins to take profit.

What is the sense of having a high price value for bitcoin if fiat will be worthless.
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I don't think so, bitcoin price will not affect the fiat, even the price of bitcoin reach $100.000, fiat still worth and many people still using fiat. Bitcoin will not affect fiat.
yes it is not such an easy job to make fiat worthless, actually the number of people using bitcoin is very low therefore most of the people are still using and depending of fiat, therefore fiat cannot be made worthless in recently.

The fiat will always be supported by the government. That is a good way to exploit the people with inflation.

I don't think whatever is the price of bitcoin is going to be still fiat is going to be there and not going to be worthless. And besides the people are used to use fiat money and not with bitcoin. So even bitcoin is going to reach $1,000,000 then that is not going to make fiat worthless because not all the people on Earth knows bitcoin.

Yeah and even if bitcoin touches that price people will still prefer to sell them and convert to fiat so I don't think that fiat is going anywhere and the first choice of people will always be fiat.
legendary
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I don't think so, bitcoin price will not affect the fiat, even the price of bitcoin reach $100.000, fiat still worth and many people still using fiat. Bitcoin will not affect fiat.
yes it is not such an easy job to make fiat worthless, actually the number of people using bitcoin is very low therefore most of the people are still using and depending of fiat, therefore fiat cannot be made worthless in recently.

The fiat will always be supported by the government. That is a good way to exploit the people with inflation.

I don't think whatever is the price of bitcoin is going to be still fiat is going to be there and not going to be worthless. And besides the people are used to use fiat money and not with bitcoin. So even bitcoin is going to reach $1,000,000 then that is not going to make fiat worthless because not all the people on Earth knows bitcoin.
Exactly,that's the reason cash will exist but BTC can rise it's use amongst the people and therefore more accepted as a payment
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