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Topic: If DASH is so confident why are they trying so hard to beat Monero? (Read 3816 times)

legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
better question from OP would have been : why are the Monero trolls feeling so insecure ? Clinging to threads
like these as if it is their life-line...

And ironically you responded... which says a lot about the insecurity of the Dash trolls.

Remember that it was Dash trolls who started all this. The Monero community has simply been defending itself.

Its funny to see the irony of his post...and yet he can't even see it before posting that load of garbage.  Tongue
full member
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better question from OP would have been : why are the Monero trolls feeling so insecure ? Clinging to threads
like these as if it is their life-line...

And ironically you responded... which says a lot about the insecurity of the Dash trolls.

Remember that it was Dash trolls who started all this. The Monero community has simply been defending itself.
legendary
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better question from OP would have been : why are the Monero trolls feeling so insecure ? Clinging to threads
like these as if it is their life-line...

Monero trolls perhaps dreaming dark dreams like these ?
hero member
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What a surprise. The usual trolls Dash Deception Defenders from the Monero communityDark Dash Otoh community talking about defending Dash in a new thread.




Right on schedule aleix. I'm sure your leader is very pleased with how dependable you are
legendary
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What a surprise. The usual trolls from the Monero community talking about Dash in a new thread.





Lovely  Wink

legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
Dash is perpetually trying to be as credible and respected as Monero - they've noticed that Greg Maxwell, Peter Todd ets all are firmly in the Monero camp - even Charlie Lee of Litecoin has spoken out that it's hard for people to get behind Dash. So it just seems that Dash have sour grapes and are constantly on the attack.

Just look at the altcoin discussion thread right now. It's riddled with this shit.

Of course there are antagonists on all sides. What we need is diplomacy and PEACE. Enough of this war already.

Clash (not your hippie-ass "PEACE" and moral equivalency) is the crucible from which truth emerges.  Are you afraid of the truth about Dash emerging?

You sound almost exactly like the erstwhile defenders of Gox, Pirate, Craptsy, Paycoin, and Neucoin, begging for a truce with their accusers.

No peace with criminals.

It was bad enough when Darkcoin's "snake oil" was marketed at crypto-nerds, now they plan to target normal people with Dash's "bad crypto" and Masternode HYIP.

"If you see fraud and don't shout fraud, you are a fraud."  -NN Taleb

Everyone knows about the instamine situation - you don't have to keep harping on about it and it's just becoming irritating. The chips are where they are. Whatever will be will be.

Besides, the only people who are behind Dash at the moment are investors who are below break-even. Who gives a fuck?

With Monero, a cheap price is seen as an opportunity which leads to averaging down. But with Dash, the investors don't have confidence in Dash's credible future prospects (which is heightened every time a Bitcoin core developer or other crypto-celebrity speaks out about it) therefore no-one wants to buy more Dash, therefore there is no averaging-down, and therefore the Dash investors get particularly pissy.

Let me just repeat that: Dash investors can't average down because they are trying to get rid of their stash. The last thing they want to do is buy more.

That's not the case with Monero.

That's why Dash investors are particularly pissy and that's where all the noise is coming from.

So forget about it. It's not even worth fighting over. You're just going over tired territory.

Peace.

Uhh no not everyone knows about the instamine otherwise the entire human race would know.

Please stop downplaying a pretty big fact for those new people who come to crypto/Bitcoin communities to know about dash.

Dash's instamine will follow it for as long as it exists.

legendary
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if the two coins would just focus on the work they have done pioneering anon crypto transfers they would be so much better off.

oh well I guess you guys prefer the soap opera that you have created.

looking at the bright side..a soap opera in crypto land  Cool
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if the two coins would just focus on the work they have done pioneering anon crypto transfers they would be so much better off.

oh well I guess you guys prefer the soap opera that you have created.
legendary
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If Dash is so confident, why did it go through 2 name changes?

XCoin -> Darkcoin -> DASH

Plus, DASH sounds like they are running from something. What a bad name. Who would even think that it is digital cash?

What is emporer Duffield next name change going to be?



Xcoin was instamined millions were mined in 8 hours up until 24hrs

Darkcoin's block reward modified and 84M to 18M reduced coin supply...they realized the name is not for mainstream

DASH name is for mainstream and they are attempting to bury it's past through name changes...they even tried to kill dashcoin for its name https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/dsh-dashcoin-cryptonote-automated-source-678232
sr. member
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If Dash is so confident, why did it go through 2 name changes?

XCoin -> Darkcoin -> DASH

Plus, DASH sounds like they are running from something. What a bad name. Who would even think that it is digital cash?

What is emporer Duffield next name change going to be?



crypto-cash or CRASH might be suitable by then...

newbie
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If Dash is so confident, why did it go through 2 name changes?

XCoin -> Darkcoin -> DASH

Plus, DASH sounds like they are running from something. What a bad name. Who would even think that it is digital cash?

What is emporer Duffield next name change going to be?

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Dash is perpetually trying to be as credible and respected as Monero - they've noticed that Greg Maxwell, Peter Todd ets all are firmly in the Monero camp - even Charlie Lee of Litecoin has spoken out that it's hard for people to get behind Dash. So it just seems that Dash have sour grapes and are constantly on the attack.

Just look at the altcoin discussion thread right now. It's riddled with this shit.

Of course there are antagonists on all sides. What we need is diplomacy and PEACE. Enough of this war already.

Clash (not your hippie-ass "PEACE" and moral equivalency) is the crucible from which truth emerges.  Are you afraid of the truth about Dash emerging?

You sound almost exactly like the erstwhile defenders of Gox, Pirate, Craptsy, Paycoin, and Neucoin, begging for a truce with their accusers.

No peace with criminals.

It was bad enough when Darkcoin's "snake oil" was marketed at crypto-nerds, now they plan to target normal people with Dash's "bad crypto" and Masternode HYIP.

"If you see fraud and don't shout fraud, you are a fraud."  -NN Taleb

Everyone knows about the instamine situation - you don't have to keep harping on about it and it's just becoming irritating. The chips are where they are. Whatever will be will be.

Besides, the only people who are behind Dash at the moment are investors who are below break-even. Who gives a fuck?

With Monero, a cheap price is seen as an opportunity which leads to averaging down. But with Dash, the investors don't have confidence in Dash's credible future prospects (which is heightened every time a Bitcoin core developer or other crypto-celebrity speaks out about it) therefore no-one wants to buy more Dash, therefore there is no averaging-down, and therefore the Dash investors get particularly pissy.

Let me just repeat that: Dash investors can't average down because they are trying to get rid of their stash. The last thing they want to do is buy more.

That's not the case with Monero.

That's why Dash investors are particularly pissy and that's where all the noise is coming from.

So forget about it. It's not even worth fighting over. You're just going over tired territory.

Peace.
legendary
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oh my, look at what i just saw in the sky outside :



now what to wish for  Huh
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
There can be two ways - Dash will win Monero, or Monero win Dash. As you can see Monero price is quite low  Cheesy

Price isn't always a good metric to measure success.

Solidcoin had higher prices than litecoin for months and solidcoin was run and developed by a well known scammer now.

And solidcoin as far as I can tell is not traded nor mined by anyone anymore.
hero member
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There can be two ways - Dash will win Monero, or Monero win Dash. As you can see Monero price is quite low  Cheesy
legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
guess you couldn't figure out how to use the cli simplewallet either.. i mean look at the rocket science you'd need:

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transfer


DashHoles are simple people.  Please don't blow their minds with all your fancy Computer Science book learnings.

Oops, too late...









legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
Wasn't DASH (or Darkcoin) premined to absolute shit right under everyones noses?
last I read was that they had a massive premine..

Yes, DASH was effectively premined because the launch was moved up in spite of Scumbag Evan's "let's put it off for a few days; yes illodum you can go to sleep now" announcement to the contrary.

That fact has been well-known since Feb 2014:

So what's the rationale for this block reward system? (11111 / (((Difficulty+51)/6) ^ 2))

As I understand it, the TOTAL distribution per unit time will come crashing down as network hashrate goes up. Not to mention each miner is getting a tinier slice. That's rather discouraging.

Apart from Darksend, I think this is the best feature of the coin. All other altcoins become diluted if they doesn't become a instant success like Dogecoin.

So the early adopter edge becomes even more overwhelming? Nice way to kill a coin. An exchange medium is only worth something if others agree and also have a stake. We'll just end up a small group of hoarders waiting around for something to happen. Reminds me of QRK.

That is overstating things. Reading through the thread, it is abundantly clear that the devs and other early adopters believe in the coin and are not planning a massive dump. 

IMO this is a feature -- not a problem or a scam.  Basically, it allows for the devs to have a more fine control over how the coin is released into the market; and thus prevents a “mid-life” dump via multipools and whale miners that troubles many a coin once the price starts to rise.  As mentioned above, if a coin is super-popular from the beginning like Doge then there is no problem as it gets distributed to a wide range of miners.  Even if whales or whatnot show up later there is a big enough dedicated mining community that in effect prevents these entities from negatively effecting the market. 

On the other hand, coins that don't blow up from the beginning and slowly rise in price due to the efforts of the early adopters, inevitably get attacked by these whales/mutlipools -- and the diff increase alone never seems to be enough to prevent a ton of coins of entering the hands of the few.  When these coins get dumped... the market crashes.  The way Darkcoin is currently set up this cannot happen.  And yes, even though Darkcoin is multipool resistant – it is still vulnerable to whales (it was actually getting hammered before the diff /reward system was enhanced by KGW).

Now, I know it may seem unfair to latecomer miners and some trolls even went as far as trying to discourage people by calling this a instamine. But the thing is... the vast majority of coins have a high percentage owned by early adopters.  That is the reward they get for believing in the coin before anybody else.  Due to the diff/reward system Darkcoin might be a little more extreme, but as I just explained that system has a very important purpose.

Lastly, it is not like the devs are not willing to respond.  Take a look at the diff/reward chart below. 

The blue line is actually a hardfork that was put in place a couple of weeks ago to be ready for GPU miners (GPU client first released last week) so that reward wouldn't drop to zero once the hash power went through the roof. 

Tldr; This is a fair coin. The diff/reward is a feature that allows more fine control over how much coin is released into the market and thus prevents manipulation by whales who plan to dump.




lol, how is this effectively different than a premine?


Gliss uses the most technical definition of 'premine' possible to justify putting Dash back on the 'not premined' list.


For one brief, shining moment he was honest about it (right after the DASH OP took the "No Premine" claim out of their [ANN] thread title).

But he changed his mind, probably after being bribed by CoinTelegraph and threatened by DashHoles.
legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
Dash is perpetually trying to be as credible and respected as Monero - they've noticed that Greg Maxwell, Peter Todd ets all are firmly in the Monero camp - even Charlie Lee of Litecoin has spoken out that it's hard for people to get behind Dash. So it just seems that Dash have sour grapes and are constantly on the attack.

Just look at the altcoin discussion thread right now. It's riddled with this shit.

Of course there are antagonists on all sides. What we need is diplomacy and PEACE. Enough of this war already.

Clash (not your hippie-ass "PEACE" and moral equivalency) is the crucible from which truth emerges.  Are you afraid of the truth about Dash emerging?

You sound almost exactly like the erstwhile defenders of Gox, Pirate, Craptsy, Paycoin, and Neucoin, begging for a truce with their accusers.

No peace with criminals.

It was bad enough when Darkcoin's "snake oil" was marketed at crypto-nerds, now they plan to target normal people with Dash's "bad crypto" and Masternode HYIP.

"If you see fraud and don't shout fraud, you are a fraud."  -NN Taleb
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
Here is a pretty decent compilation of issues that DASH has as a "crypto coin" all of which can be backed up by facts.

To see all approporiate links associated with highlighted text here is the link: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2zufu1/a_great_podcast_by_lets_talk_bitcoin_discussing/cpmvogy

**It should be noted that some dash supporters on that reddit thread think that FACTS are "trailer park behaviour" and "slinging mud".

Read on at that link for more context of the discussion which will give you perspective into the psyche of some dash supporters (not sure if it is a mental illness or willful denial of the facts by making such absurd assertions as BOLDED above).





legendary
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those are both good posts (busturzzz and phishead --> page 2) and i think i will indeed go outside and look at the sky for awhile,
eventhough the sun went down some time ago and its all black .. but hey, i might catch a falling star   Grin

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