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Topic: If double spending is such an issue and VNL solved it, where is the press? - page 3. (Read 5518 times)

legendary
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i hope you PM'ed JC like someone told you to.....no one can be at a keyboard 24/7....hence AFK. Away From Keyboard.
sr. member
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Got tired of the noise in the VanillaCoin IRC:

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TPTB_need_war
He is onlline now? So I want to hear his justifications for why attackers can't force his zerotime algorithm to inconclusive and thus to 1-confirmation?
ThaHandyman
lmao TPTB_need_war
that was swaggish
+etoque
Well
BCarp
what i liked was looking at thier chart and seeing the trend line
+etoque
He don't spend alot of time on vnl
and was pretty hesitant at the end
lovepool
TPTB_need_war  you can PM John connor. He is  "john-connor" / "john-connor-afk" ( when hes away from keyboard )
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BCarp
what i saw was a clearly linear pattern moving the price upward, with a small break towards becoming exponential near the end of sept beginning of october....   I also love that he promoted waht I need, investors having cool heads so we can keep accumulating from the moners for a month or so
nonproprietary
I loved using coinigy until they started charging for it
+etoque
oh they charging
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+etoque
I just create account lol
BCarp: Yeah pretty much
leftovers_
!vnl
@VNLBOT
VNL: 1 | USD: 0.06458485 | EUR: 0.05699413 | GBP: 0.04168364 | CAD: 0.08578554 | AUD: 0.09053220 | CNY: 0.41391978 | BTC: 0.00028776
+etoque
miss 10 cent ;(
acoin
!vnl
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acoin
The price was cut
nonproprietary
wow, they are chargin 0.099 a month now... i thought i remember them having a period where pricing was a one time fee
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BCarp
if past experience has anything to say about it, price will stay somewhat stable though repressed until volume becomes about 2x what the daily miner sells are...(no idea what this actually is)  then in fear of people losing interest the walls will fall and the bump will begin.
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BCarp
I think Im gonna paper wallet 5k or so and lock em away for 2 years.
otherwise im gonna sell out at the wrong time lol
Qzzn
!c vnl
@VNLBOT
POLONIEX | BTC-VNL | LAST: 0.00028931 | LASK: 0.00028931 | HBID: 0.00028408 | C: 0.37% | VBTC: 19.708 | QVNL: 69408.76 | L24H: 0.00027401 | H24H: 0.00030190
BITTREX | BTC-VNL | LAST: 0.00029145 | LASK: 0.00030999 | HBID: 0.00029145 | C: 1.63% | VBTC: 4.280 | VVNL: 14495.83 | L24H: 0.00027814 | H24H: 0.00031000
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WildBilla
if anyone is interested, we discussed it earlier, but if anyone wants to generate a "VNL community" fund via FREE referral fees, I will compile all fees via this link https://www.coinbase.com/join/52b624a93ec584082e000082     if you are planning on buying btc for any reason (and not in Canada) the first $100 in btc buys gets $75 in referral bonus t
o me... up from 25% pre-crash.. this is a limited offer, but I plan to not use it personally and compile it for whatever consensus suggestions/whatver people would want to use free btc for to benefit VNL
WildBilla
free money as coinbase probably panic bought the fall, just throwing it out there... its free btc.. might as well take it
+pinkice
.bal
BCarp
hey wildbilla do you sleep at all?  everytime i come on your here :\
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+etoque
haha
WildBilla
I dont sleep Bcarp I wait
BCarp
!bon WildBilla
leftovers_
WildBilla:  robot
WildBilla
I just smoked a lot
BCarp
!bong WildBilla
* BayMax gives WildBilla the bong
bigdoge
vanilla bud
leftovers_
Nilla buds
BCarp
tweeked my neck today, time to pull out the cannaboids
WildBilla
but honestly that referral bonus is a good idea IMO to get FREE BTC and I can put it wherever anyone wants.. hell, maybe rain fund. IDK but I am not selfish and love free shit
+etoque
WildBilla: Smiley
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+etoque
That's the spirit man ! Smiley
WildBilla
etoque you still buy btc ?
+etoque
Right now nan
BCarp
man I love you WildBilla.... what a guy
WildBilla
isnt $75 per first $100 a solid deal though? I was blown away
bigdoge
did i miss megastorm?
WildBilla
yes
well, katrina if we get to 35K
bigdoge
el nino
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bigdoge
got any 'nilla?
BCarp
cheap rain.....  been suffering from a drought here lately, and i live beside a rainforest.   If money comes in before price goes way down ill be buying me some rainfall
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bigdoge
bcarp u live 'next to' rainforest!
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BCarp
well beside, in.... i guess its all about perspective
Roepert
.rain .1
@VNLBOT
rain: Roepert rained .1 VNL on 18 account(s) (0.00555556 each) ! w00t ! full list @ #vanillatips
Qzzn
thx
bigdoge
yes yes yes
BCarp
is anyone creating a marketpace?
bigdoge
bcarp i live next to marketplace
+gaagaa
!net
@VNLBOT
Network: 968.38 GH/s | PoW: 39,908.03 | PoS: 1.25 | Blocks: 191,408
PooledTX: 0 | Blocktime: 1440646475 (1m 50s) | Type: proof-of-stake
pool.vanillaco.in | 864.77 MH/s | 6 workers | Last: 188,910 (2d 19h 59m 38s)
vnl.suprnova.cc | 285.11 GH/s | 87 workers | Last: 191,405 (4m 2s)
vnl.idcray.com | 806.80 GH/s | 18 workers | Last: 191,406 (3m 37s)
pool.mn/vnl | 381.8 MH/s | 1 workers | Last: 188,271 (3d 12h 59m 11s)
WildBilla
id sell/buy so much. I have some crazy shit
lovepool
with everyones vast supply of VNL, don't forget to pickup a VNL keychain or VNL coin! Smiley
http://www.cryptomemorabilia.com/product-category/vnl/
BCarp
I want to sell percebes for VNL
maybe a testacle or two......
shit I drank to much wine tonight
sorry about the rambling idiocy
lovepool
lol
WildBilla
I will get one soon lovepool
can I get a coin for ever VNL?
lovepool
what do you mean by the last line you said? I'm confused ahha .
WildBilla
can I get a vnl coin for every vnl I have
BCarp
dont worry we will all buy keychains and minted coin when the price hits one VNL per coin
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WildBilla
so I can rain at titty bar
BCarp
lol
WildBilla
put some stripppers eyes out.. tell them dont worry, your rich bitch
leftovers_
!rain .1
@VNLBOT
rain: leftovers_ rained .1 VNL on 20 account(s) (0.00500000 each) ! w00t ! full list @ #vanillatips
BCarp
....... your fucked up
Qzzn
thx
ThaHandyman
ty leftovers
WildBilla
I am joking bro.. haha
!rain .1
@VNLBOT
rain: WildBilla rained .1 VNL on 20 account(s) (0.00500000 each) ! w00t ! full list @ #vanillatips
ThaHandyman
lovepool is back ]o]
WildBilla
Night nillas!
ThaHandyman
\o\
Qzzn
good night
+UroCEO
night
ThaHandyman
night my nilla
+UroCEO
!c vnl
@VNLBOT
POLONIEX | BTC-VNL | LAST: 0.00028751 | LASK: 0.00028737 | HBID: 0.00027799 | C: -0.25% | VBTC: 23.269 | QVNL: 81908.68 | L24H: 0.00027401 | H24H: 0.00030190
BITTREX | BTC-VNL | LAST: 0.00029101 | LASK: 0.00030995 | HBID: 0.00029101 | C: 1.48% | VBTC: 4.338 | VVNL: 14690.69 | L24H: 0.00027814 | H24H: 0.00031000
lovepool
WildBilla  LOL. I could get you one coin for everyone of your VNLs. having them for strippers would be fun! ahha
night
WildBilla
gotta get my 2 hours of sleep in.. be back before china has lunch
BCarp
so where are we having the party when VNL hits $100 dollars per coin?
WildBilla
yep, thats my master plan love
I WILL HOST EVERYONE
I swear
+UroCEO
BCarp: lets try $1 first lol
leftovers_
Later nilla
BCarp
lol ok  how about a ski trip in chile when we go to $1
WildBilla
I have noir in vegas and can get a massive suite.. we would have all the nillas there.. raining on my nillas VNL coins
leftovers_
!rain .1
@VNLBOT
rain: leftovers_ rained .1 VNL on 21 account(s) (0.00476190 each) ! w00t ! full list @ #vanillatips
+UroCEO
hookers and blow
WildBilla
!rain .1
+UroCEO
lol
@VNLBOT
rain: WildBilla rained .1 VNL on 21 account(s) (0.00476190 each) ! w00t ! full list @ #vanillatips
Qzzn
thx
WildBilla
BUY THAT TINY SELL WALL and have a good night. later nilla
s
BCarp
ok ok boring and all, but lets do vegas at $1
WildBilla
I will 100% pay for Vegas at 1% since I can get a 10K/night suite for free
(and im not rich I had one amazing trip and now am noir status... )luck
later
BCarp
sweet ill give you 500 VNL for the party at $1 /vnl when we do
WildBilla
spread word on the coinbase referral.. I am serious I will protect it'
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BCarp
honestly though Vegas is for wannabes.......  though fun, real fun doesnt happen there
im drunk I can say what I want
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nonproprietary
BCarp, I approve
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+Jimlite
freenode sucks
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+Jimlite
!net
@VNLBOT
Network: 1.56 TH/s | PoW: 61,334.71 | PoS: 1.72 | Blocks: 191,418
PooledTX: 3 | Blocktime: 1440647263 (2m 58s) | Type: proof-of-stake
pool.vanillaco.in | 2.32 GH/s | 6 workers | Last: 188,910 (2d 20h 13m 55s)
vnl.suprnova.cc | 281.85 GH/s | 91 workers | Last: 191,405 (18m 18s)
vnl.idcray.com | 746.76 GH/s | 19 workers | Last: 191,417 (3m 32s)
pool.mn/vnl | 167.0 MH/s | 1 workers | Last: 188,271 (3d 13h 13m 27s)
imine.xyz | 3.12 GH/s | 1 workers | Last: 189,958 (1d 15h 49m 14s)
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Wildbilla
I'm back for second. Is btc falling again.
+Jimlite
!c btc
@VNLBOT
BTC-USD | BITFINEX: 225.26 | BITSTAMP: 224.64 | BTC-E: 223.44 | OKCOIN: 224.10
Wildbilla
legendary
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If people make serious accusations that the code has been copied in part from VNLBitcoin...

I'll alert smooth so he can come here and battle you on that issue. He was the one who pushed that recently not me. Gregory Maxwell apparently first discovered it in January.

The links to some of the evidence are in the john-connor forum Trust rating (click on Reference), where I put them. Greg Maxwell was the first, as far as I know, to raise the issue back in January (I think), but not the only one, and the evidence linked in trust which clearly demonstrates the plagarism does not come directly from Greg Maxwell, nor does it date to January.

There are significant pieces of code which are essentially identical with the exception of formatting or meaningless changes like using the literal constant "0" instead of the defined constant "NULL", to the point where they probably would compile to identical binary code. There is another instance where the original code contains a bug (fixed in a later Bitcoin release) and VNL's code, in addition to being very much structurally similar as above, contains the same bug. That stuff just does not happen without copying.

The plagarism does not relate directly to the correct functionality (or lack thereof) of ZeroTime, but it does demonstrate a clear willingness on the part of john-connor to misrepresent in order to promote his project. His claims should be treated with skepticism.
sr. member
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And so now you know why IRC is inappropriate. If the man (or woman?) is serious, he will come to a forum where we can all post during our waking time and have an ongoing conversation that isn't buried by the noise of 1 post per secondminute on IRC nonsense.

Stop your FUD.
legendary
Activity: 1106
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I'm on the VanillaCoin IRC now. Where is "john conner"?


Some people sleep. There are others who understand the tech, so ask you questions on there.



https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--1064326
sr. member
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I'm on the VanillaCoin IRC now. Where is "john conner"?
sr. member
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"...timeframe in which the double spend being way too small for anybody to achieve and the costs of it would be to high..."

*puts on smug hat*

exactly what I have been saying as we have the same thing in our ledger tech

And that is not simply provable.

Thus not good enough for me. I want something that can not be attacked because it is irrefutable as is the math in Satoshi's paper for the probabilities on confirmations given the Poisson distribution approximation assumption.
legendary
Activity: 1106
Merit: 1000
If people make serious accusations that the code has been copied in part from VNL...

I'll alert smooth so he can come here and battle you on that issue. He was the one who pushed that recently not me. Gregory Maxwell apparently first discovered it in January.


Take it to JC thread, why are you telling me, I'm not an expert. Seems like you don't want to ask someone who will make you look stupid.
sr. member
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If people make serious accusations that the code has been copied in part from VNLBitcoin...

I'll alert smooth so he can come here and battle you on that issue. He was the one who pushed that recently not me. Gregory Maxwell apparently first discovered it in January.
legendary
Activity: 1106
Merit: 1000
your tech ripped apart among claims of plagiarism in this situation....Dude you discovered your ideas after you read his white paper and code....what hope do you have?

Haha, my tech is so far removed from his.

You are digging your grave. Just keep posting.

Again sorry you got holding a bag of worthless coins. Charge it to experience.



Dude FUD doesn't work like facts, you of all people should know that. If people make serious accusations that the code has been copied in part from VNL......the. For 99% of people it's a clone, whether it's true or not. That's how VNL has been attacked and it's shows how easy it is to attack a great project. Like I will say one last time, post on JC personal thread or forget you ever made a coin.......you will always be a cloner, nothing more otherwise.


Honestly if you really had something great you wouldn't talk the way you do.....you're low level clearly.
sr. member
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your tech ripped apart among claims of plagiarism in this situation....Dude you discovered your ideas after you read his white paper and code....what hope do you have?

Haha, my tech is so far removed from his.

You are digging your grave. Just keep posting.

Again sorry you got holding a bag of worthless coins. Charge it to experience. If you don't blame yourself, you'll never learn to be more discerning and stop being a loser.

Everyone makes mistakes. After you stop blowing smoke out of your ears, calm down and realize that attacking the best developers won't help you, rather you'll just waste your time and sustain your loser life.
legendary
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I'm saying I'm too tired of debating this and the next step for having it reviewed is to put it out in something more widely read. 30 seconds with Google suggests something like http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/RecentIssue.jsp?reload=true&punumber=71 but there may well be better suited journals.

That said, fairly certain a major netsplit (i.e. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_submarine_cable_disruption) would render parts of the network unreachable from other parts, creating a fork there's no way of reconciling until the network is repaired. I didn't read it as he was claiming that's solved, but it's still a double-spend risk.

I honestly think the Bitcoin casual community has plenty of experts...

Yet you say all of them are FUD. And you say we have to leave here and go to IRC to get the anonymous, liar "john conner" on record here.

 Roll Eyes Cry

Losers just have it in their genes I guess.



Dude you are going to get slaughtered on here....


You know JC has his own thread on here , right. Why don't you post in detail your points against VNL?
sr. member
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I'm saying I'm too tired of debating this and the next step for having it reviewed is to put it out in something more widely read. 30 seconds with Google suggests something like http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/RecentIssue.jsp?reload=true&punumber=71 but there may well be better suited journals.

That said, fairly certain a major netsplit (i.e. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_submarine_cable_disruption) would render parts of the network unreachable from other parts, creating a fork there's no way of reconciling until the network is repaired. I didn't read it as he was claiming that's solved, but it's still a double-spend risk.

I honestly think the Bitcoin casual community has plenty of experts...

Yet you say all of them are FUD. And you say we have to leave here and go to IRC to get the anonymous, liar "john conner" on record here.

 Roll Eyes Cry

Losers just have it in their genes I guess.
legendary
Activity: 1750
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Facts are more efficient than fud

Stop telling me I need to chase the anonymous "john conner" around to his preferred hiding places, after he has already lied to the entire community and he produced a white paper that did not do what he claimed it would do.

He can come here where we are. If not, then stop advertising here. Go advertise in IRC.

Are you paying me to waste my time? I made a judgment that he is not worthy based on the above. It is up to him to repair his reputation here. He seems not to care.



But it's you who have criticised VNL in a public place, it is you that has spread FUD, it's is you who should be the man to go directly to the one you have decided to criticise. JC doesn't care what you think, but owners of the coin are being damaged by your FUD. Your clearly a bullshitter. Even more hilarious that you say you solved double spend just after looking into VNL.  Roll Eyes


I'll be on you like a rash if you start advertising your tech, it's the least you deserve for your cowardice. Your best option as is Fuseleers is to go and challenge JC otherwise don't even bother trying to plug your tech on this forum......you will be labelled as copiers of VNL ideas. It's in your interest to show in some detail you have a better solution directly to JC or you guys will always be second to solve something........no prizes for second.

You posted this thread here to get an answer here from the people here. You got it. Now accept it or go to IRC and hide with JC.
legendary
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But it's you who have criticised VNL in a public place, it is you that has spread FUD, it's is you who should be the man to go directly to the one you have decided to criticise. JC doesn't care what you think...


I'll be on you like a rash if you start advertising your tech, it's the least you deserve for your cowardice...

Loser. You will be a loser your entire life.

Have fun attacking it. You'll be resoundingly ignored.

I tried to help you, but you are determined to be duped. Go ahead. You'll get exactly what you deserve.



Trust me if you thought JC had a rough ride with his no nonsense direct personality you haven't even tasted how bad it's gonna be for someone like you who has spent so much effort to FUD a project and is clearly not diplomatic.......You got a world of pain ahead of you. like I said you best bet is to look like a straight guy and go to JC. How do you expect not to have your tech ripped apart among claims of plagiarism in this situation....you are more of a wackjob than I thought if so. Dude you discovered your ideas after you read his white paper and code....what hope do you have?
sr. member
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But it's you who have criticised VNL in a public place, it is you that has spread FUD, it's is you who should be the man to go directly to the one you have decided to criticise. JC doesn't care what you think...


I'll be on you like a rash if you start advertising your tech, it's the least you deserve for your cowardice...

Loser. You will be a loser your entire life. Disrespecting a top developer isn't smart.

Have fun attacking it. You'll be resoundingly ignored.

I tried to help you, but you are determined to be duped. Go ahead. You'll get exactly what you deserve.
sr. member
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This also explains why we can't steal coins, yet the algorithm remains unsuitable for a reliable 0-confirmation proposal.

There is the proof right there that either "john conner" is a liar or he is not expert. Why would he tell you that stealing coins is the test of veracity when in fact it can not be the test.

That is another incriminating evidence that he is duping the community. Add that to the lies about the source code.

You have enough signals already. If you continue to be duped, that is your own problem.
legendary
Activity: 1106
Merit: 1000

Stop telling me I need to chase the anonymous "john conner" around to his preferred hiding places, after he has already lied to the entire community and he produced a white paper that did not do what he claimed it would do.

He can come here where we are. If not, then stop advertising here. Go advertise in IRC.

Are you paying me to waste my time? I made a judgment that he is not worthy based on the above. It is up to him to repair his reputation here. He seems not to care.



But it's you who have criticised VNL in a public place, it is you that has spread FUD, it's is you who should be the man to go directly to the one you have decided to criticise. JC doesn't care what you think, but owners of the coin are being damaged by your FUD. Your clearly a bullshitter. Even more hilarious that you say you solved double spend just after looking into VNL.  Roll Eyes


I'll be on you like a rash if you start advertising your tech, it's the least you deserve for your cowardice. Your best option as is Fuseleers is to go and challenge JC otherwise don't even bother trying to plug your tech on this forum......you will be labelled as copiers of VNL ideas. It's in your interest to show in some detail you have a better solution directly to JC or you guys will always be second to solve something........no prizes for second.
sr. member
Activity: 420
Merit: 262

Stop telling me I need to chase the anonymous "john conner" around to his preferred hiding places, after he has already lied to the entire community and he produced a white paper that afaics did not do what he claimed it would do.

He can come here where we are. If not, then stop advertising here. Go advertise in IRC.

Are you paying me to waste my time? I made a judgment that he is not worthy based on the above. It is up to him to repair his reputation here. He seems not to care.

Come on man, stop acting like an imbecile. I think you are grown up already. My rate is $455k + stock options annually. Can you pay that?

Do you realize you are talking to top developers! Be a bit more respectful of our time please. It is a finite resource.
sr. member
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I'm not an expert

And Fuserleer and I are more expert than you. So why do you think we are acting irrationally? You think we would trash the perfected technological solution so we could go work on an inferior one. That would be illogical. We'd be wasting our effort and time.

We looked at his white paper with great interest.
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