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Quote from: wxa7115 on January 28, 2022, 04:23:20 PM

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Every government that regulates gambling can allow betting on some events, they don't want casinos in their country but they can allow football or boxing or even horse racing betting, it's up to the government what kind of gambling they would like to regulate but about your thread football is a sport it was not created for people to gamble, gambling operators just use football for people to gamble.

Agreed, the OP seems to have it backwards, it gives me the impression he thinks that sports exist just for people to gamble, when it is the other way around, people enjoy sports on their own and there are a few that like to spice things up a little bit by also gambling on their favorite sport.

And since governments make the laws they can decide if they ban gambling completely, if they allow some gambling games while banning another forms of gambling or if they allow almost all forms of gambling, it is up to them and while I would prefer that most governments were progressive on that topic at the end of the day we need to follow whatever regulations we have in our country, fortunately for me I live in a country in which gambling is allowed so I do not have to hide my preferences at all, as it happens to some other members that live in other countries.

the OP needs to revisit his post and maybe differentiate gambling vs sports. because he only provided the definition of gambling but he forgot to post the definition of sports. so maybe, he will understand that sports itself is a stand-alone industry
so yes, sports can exist even without gambling. and since every country has their own stance towards gambling activities, they can impose whatever they deem necessary - according to their religion, culture etc.
it is not the case that if the sports is legal then gambling on the sports will be legal as well.

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Quote from: smyslov on January 28, 2022, 08:50:51 AM

Every government that regulates gambling can allow betting on some events, they don't want casinos in their country but they can allow football or boxing or even horse racing betting, it's up to the government what kind of gambling they would like to regulate but about your thread football is a sport it was not created for people to gamble, gambling operators just use football for people to gamble.

Agreed, the OP seems to have it backwards, it gives me the impression he thinks that sports exist just for people to gamble, when it is the other way around, people enjoy sports on their own and there are a few that like to spice things up a little bit by also gambling on their favorite sport.

And since governments make the laws they can decide if they ban gambling completely, if they allow some gambling games while banning another forms of gambling or if they allow almost all forms of gambling, it is up to them and while I would prefer that most governments were progressive on that topic at the end of the day we need to follow whatever regulations we have in our country, fortunately for me I live in a country in which gambling is allowed so I do not have to hide my preferences at all, as it happens to some other members that live in other countries.

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Quote from: Wiwo on January 28, 2022, 08:20:56 AM

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Quote from: sunsilk on January 28, 2022, 06:53:27 AM

That just sets the boundary and difference of it.

It's entirely different and we're just used to the type of gambling with sports and we always see bookmakers and that's probably why when it comes to sports, the first thing that comes to our minds is all about gambling.

Because for a long time, it's always associated with it but not just because there's a sport, it's always connected to it, it's not like that.

This is the more reason we try to differentiate between gambling and sports games and try to find a partway between the two, it's either gambling is detached from sport or there should be no featuring of physical sports games on bookmakers. I take my country for instance gambling is prohibited by law but again football betting is allowed and is even advertised on national television stations.

Every government that regulates gambling can allow betting on some events, they don't want casinos in their country but they can allow football or boxing or even horse racing betting, it's up to the government what kind of gambling they would like to regulate but about your thread football is a sport it was not created for people to gamble, gambling operators just use football for people to gamble.

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Quote from: Wiwo on January 27, 2022, 04:15:37 PM

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Quote from: Wiwo on January 27, 2022, 08:26:40 AM

it's all gambling because the teams are playing for the price.

So can we say, a group singing contest (choir/orchestra) a gambling too since these people are singing for the price? So do a dance competition? Come on! You're out of context I think and the way you see it is somehow wrong. Take it as a competition on talent and skills and not just it's always plain gambling insight.

Well, those tests of talent and skills in the subject of competition, football is also a gamble in its entirety, as the team competes for the ultimate price in the game and also fans can bet on those football matches these bets make the most of the revenue the football bodies make.
I clearly understood your point on this but for the sake of comparison that is why I open this thread for discussion.

Well, it is a gamble but we can't deny the fact that it doesn't revolve around that notion. Clubs do fight for the prize money I know that but aren't these clubs earned as well on ticket sales, broadcasting, merchandise, sponsorships etc.?

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Quote from: sunsilk on January 28, 2022, 08:09:17 AM

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Quote from: sunsilk on January 28, 2022, 06:53:27 AM

That just sets the boundary and difference of it.

It's entirely different and we're just used to the type of gambling with sports and we always see bookmakers and that's probably why when it comes to sports, the first thing that comes to our minds is all about gambling.

Because for a long time, it's always associated with it but not just because there's a sport, it's always connected to it, it's not like that.

This is the more reason we try to differentiate between gambling and sports games and try to find a partway between the two, it's either gambling is detached from sport or there should be no featuring of physical sports games on bookmakers. I take my country for instance gambling is prohibited by law but again football betting is allowed and is even advertised on national television stations.

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Quote from: winz_m on January 28, 2022, 07:23:19 AM

Quote from: sunsilk on January 28, 2022, 06:53:27 AM

The answer is already there and given by many and there's the distinction between a sport and gambling. Football is a sport and in gambling, there can be any other activity that can be applied to it.

Plus, it also depends on the country that prohibits gambling. If they're a Muslim country then we can easily understand that it's about the belief and that's the same with other countries that prohibits it.

Correct, you can gamble on whatever including politics, economics, etc. The distance between football and gambling is equal to the distance between the Earth and Mars.

That just sets the boundary and difference of it.

It's entirely different and we're just used to the type of gambling with sports and we always see bookmakers and that's probably why when it comes to sports, the first thing that comes to our minds is all about gambling.

Because for a long time, it's always associated with it but not just because there's a sport, it's always connected to it, it's not like that.

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Quote from: Wiwo on January 27, 2022, 04:54:36 AM

The game of football is one of the most celebrated and loved sports around the world and most countries have an official football team, which gives the game legal backing because the government and competition organizers make a huge budget for these games. But what baffles me is football is the highest gambling around the world but yet it is seen as legal meanwhile gambling is illegal in some of those countries and I can't stop to wonder what an irony this has become.
What is gambling?

This makes more points clearer or am I missing something?

Sports is different with gambling and businessman are just exploiting the game because they know that this sports have many fans and they see a huge potential to earn millions because many fans want also to bet on their favorite team. And don't be surprise if government will ban its betting because we know in some parts of the world gambling is illegal and sports is not.

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Quote from: sunsilk on January 28, 2022, 06:53:27 AM

The answer is already there and given by many and there's the distinction between a sport and gambling. Football is a sport and in gambling, there can be any other activity that can be applied to it.

Plus, it also depends on the country that prohibits gambling. If they're a Muslim country then we can easily understand that it's about the belief and that's the same with other countries that prohibits it.

Correct, you can gamble on whatever including politics, economics, etc. The distance between football and gambling is equal to the distance between the Earth and Mars.

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The answer is already there and given by many and there's the distinction between a sport and gambling. Football is a sport and in gambling, there can be any other activity that can be applied to it.

Plus, it also depends on the country that prohibits gambling. If they're a Muslim country then we can easily understand that it's about the belief and that's the same with other countries that prohibits it.

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Quote from: bittraffic on January 28, 2022, 01:05:14 AM

When even you wager on the sports game result, we don't call it gambling but we call it Sports Betting. That is why it's not illegal. It's kind of in the middle which basically you are not gambling, you are just betting on the result of the game which even a kid who loves the sports cheer for the team they are rooting. And the kid gets very happy when the team he supports win! It ain't illegal.

Good explanation mate and indeed , it is not gambling when you sportbet . though in this nature of forum we have looking on both as the same , sports betting and gambling but in reality it is different .

so the gambling is illegal in one place but sports betting is allowable.

but why make this an issue when we can both benefit? because both is same idea , and that is to gamble our funds wishing to increase .

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This is easily one of the weirdest topics that I have stumbled across in the gambling section of this forum. The question that op is trying to ask here is downright silly and odd.

Simple answer: Football is a sport which is obviously legal anywhere while gambling is an activity that is considered legal/illegal depending on the country. There is no direct correlation between these two basically.

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Quote from: Wiwo on January 28, 2022, 04:00:39 AM

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Quote from: Wiwo on January 27, 2022, 04:54:36 AM

But what baffles me is football is the highest gambling around the world but yet it is seen as legal meanwhile gambling is illegal in some of those countries and I can't stop to wonder what an irony this has become.

If you think of football as gambling then all sports will also be considered gambling and all athletes are gamblers Wink

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Football is sports and not gambling but a competition to grab trophy and get prizes, and if you still say football as gambling then no football athlete becomes addicted by continuing to play and lose a lot of things due to playing football, whereas gambling can be addictive.
I mean you have to consider many factors before equating activities with other activities.

I think you guys are getting it all wrong when I said gambling encompasses all the components of the game both the players and the fans benefit from the dividends of all, why are they playing for the price which the team to win is uncertain unless in the case of match-fixing but on the other way round the outcome is not known for both the player and the fans who have placed a bet on the games.

We are one in our opinion that Football cannot be categorized as gambling if you think that it is then that's your opinion I will still hold that in a country where gambling is illegal football can be played because there is no betting platform in that country it is a sport and it is a mean to strengthen the morals and bodies of players and supporters when two teams are battling for a win it's not gambling unless there is a bet.

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Quote from: Strongkored on January 28, 2022, 12:41:37 AM

Quote from: Wiwo on January 27, 2022, 04:54:36 AM

But what baffles me is football is the highest gambling around the world but yet it is seen as legal meanwhile gambling is illegal in some of those countries and I can't stop to wonder what an irony this has become.

If you think of football as gambling then all sports will also be considered gambling and all athletes are gamblers Wink

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Football is sports and not gambling but a competition to grab trophy and get prizes, and if you still say football as gambling then no football athlete becomes addicted by continuing to play and lose a lot of things due to playing football, whereas gambling can be addictive.
I mean you have to consider many factors before equating activities with other activities.

I think you guys are getting it all wrong when I said gambling encompasses all the components of the game both the players and the fans benefit from the dividends of all, why are they playing for the price which the team to win is uncertain unless in the case of match-fixing but on the other way round the outcome is not known for both the player and the fans who have placed a bet on the games.

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Quote from: Wiwo on January 27, 2022, 04:54:36 AM

The game of football is one of the most celebrated and loved sports around the world and most countries have an official football team, which gives the game legal backing because the government and competition organizers make a huge budget for these games. But what baffles me is football is the highest gambling around the world but yet it is seen as legal meanwhile gambling is illegal in some of those countries and I can't stop to wonder what an irony this has become.
What is gambling?
According to Wikipedia:

Remember that in some countries Only the game is allowed but not the betting meaning if there is gambling happening on those part then it is Illegal and not allowed in front of the government .

so you are asking here about in countries that allows betting but not in those countries that has illegal stand in gambling.

so don't make it complicated because it is not .

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I think although Football is one of the most sports that is used for gambling, in fact, Football is not gambling, this is a sport, and gambling is not only football.
Football is literally a sport, one type of sport. Even there are some gambling and betting of footballs, they are not official and they are hidden enough moreover in the country. Even many people are involved in football gambling, it is actually considered a "hidden activity".
if a country legalizes gambling, it means all gambling activities. We know how many types of games of gambling.
It is not about the sport or whatever is used as gambling, it is about the gambling activities themselves. And every country has its own consideration why they forbid gambling and illegal. Because most of them will consider the pros and cons of gambling itself, and cons are commonly considered more impacted.

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Football is an activity for some people in the fields which is not using any money but uses a ball to play, even if there are football competitions and the winner get a trophy, that does not gamble.
The winning team can get the prizes while the losing team does not get anything and not lose anything except their power Grin

But gambling is an activity in one place and many people who come to that place use their money to win the other money.
If one person wins, he can get the money while others lose their money.
Besides that, gambling is related to religion in some countries, so they prohibit their people from gambling because they lose money and gambling can ruin their lives.

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Comparing football to gambling games like poker,dice,crash,slots,etc. is simply wrong.
Football is just a game,but betting on football games is gambling.
I guess that by "football" you mean betting on football.You should clarify your question.
It's all about government regulation.In many countries gambling games are forbidden,while sports betting is allowed(but heavily regulated).
I don't know why you are so focused on football only.Any event,in which the outcome cannot be predicted can be used for betting/gambling.It's not just football.I guess that you just hate football and that's why you come up with football as an example. Grin

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When even you wager on the sports game result, we don't call it gambling but we call it Sports Betting. That is why it's not illegal. It's kind of in the middle which basically you are not gambling, you are just betting on the result of the game which even a kid who loves the sports cheer for the team they are rooting. And the kid gets very happy when the team he supports win! It ain't illegal.

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After reading the title of the topic and the first post of OP, I somehow thought about what OP had in mind when he wrote that football is allowed in most countries of the world. Does anyone know any countries where football is banned? Are there really such?
As for the ban on gambling, there are obviously such countries and the rulers in such countries either proceed from religious beliefs, or allegedly "take care of their people" so that no one loses big money. But this is at least understandable, but why they can ban football - is it not clear?

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Quote from: Wiwo on January 27, 2022, 04:54:36 AM

But what baffles me is football is the highest gambling around the world but yet it is seen as legal meanwhile gambling is illegal in some of those countries and I can't stop to wonder what an irony this has become.

If you think of football as gambling then all sports will also be considered gambling and all athletes are gamblers Wink

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Football is sports and not gambling but a competition to grab throphy and get prizes, and if you still say football as gambling then no football athlete becomes addicted by continuing to play and lose a lot of things due to playing football, whereas gambling can be addictive.
I mean you have to consider many factors before equating activities with other activities.

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