Topic: If i send someone btc, can they see what kind of wallet i use? (Read 451 times)

The ask to your is no, except the person you sent it to is using devices, but you can only notice the address not the wallet, and remember that some address is registered with that it may understand a little with device as i said, but in actual sense know one  notice the wallet the coin is coming from, because i have seem someone testifying such experience in forum.

In relation to services like Blockchair's Privacy-o-meter and such I'm on the side of gmaxwell who said:


Privacy is more about your behavior patterns than anything else. Change them every time you make transactions to be better off in terms of privacy.

You don't know for sure that the VPN provider isn't logging your data, though. Yes, some of them have no log policies, and yes, some of the good ones have either been tested in court or undergone independent audits and have proven that they do not keep logs. However, that only definitively proves they were not keeping logs at that time. Saying that they are not keeping logs now is an extrapolation from that data and is not verifiable.

The point about PIA is an important one. They have previously been tested in court, but since then have been bought out by a very unethical company with very dubious business practices, and so I would not trust that they are still not keeping logs of some form, despite what they may tell you.

Yes, there are good VPNs out there which do not log traffic, but since your data passes through their servers unencrypted, then you can never be 100% sure you are not being logged, either by the VPN provider themselves or a malicious third party exploiting some vulnerability.

Not always true about VPNs though. Some VPNs have a no-log policy, and many of them have been shown to actually maintain it and this has also been tested in court multiple times. These are the VPNs that do not store your data, so neither do they make money off of your data, nor can they provide info to law enforcement even if their hand is forced, as they simply cannot. How do they earn money? By taking a monthly fee from you and making sure that they are true to their word so they do not lose customers. One example for this has been PIA (their claims have held up in court pretty well), but idk if that will be the case anymore since Kape Technologies has bought them out.

Source: PIA No-log claims held up in court

My point is, not every VPN sells your data off to make money, its mostly the ones that aren't vetted and generally have poor privacy practices. The free ones all DO sell your data, thats how they are free and they shouldn't be used anyways if privacy is your concern.

The difference with signature campaign payments is that they pay (mostly) the same addresses on a weekly basis, and that each output is exactly the same size (if fixed payment per week) or below a fixed cap (if paid per post). Conversely, batched exchange withdrawals pay different addresses each time at different times each week, and outputs will range from anything between a few tens of thousands of sats up to several bitcoin. It is generally fairly easy to differentiate the two.

Signature payments are batched in that way and campaign managers use the Pay2Many feature to pay all the participants at once. If the address the funds are sent from contains a lot of bitcoin originally, you would get exactly those results you explained. 1 larger input and x number of smaller outputs with same or similar amounts, depending on the payment structure of the campaign.   

Not just by looking at blockchain records, no.

When investigators say that coins ended up on Binance, for example, this conclusion is usually done by tracking coin movements as opposed to looking at transaction properties and heuristics. For example, if we see some stolen bitcoin move from one address to another address in a 1-input-2-output transaction, and then we see it move from that second address in a transaction with 100 inputs all from different addresses in to a single address, then we can reasonably assume that the first transaction was the bitcoin being deposited to a centralized service, and the second transaction was that centralized service sweeping a bunch of deposits from different customers in to their own main wallet. If we can identify that main wallet address, (for example, since you mentioned Binance, we know one of Binance's main wallet addresses is 34xp4vRoCGJym3xR7yCVPFHoCNxv4Twseo), then we can identify which exchange or service it was that those coins were deposited to.

If on the other hand, we see the stolen coins move to a new address and just sit there indefinitely, then we can assume that the attacker has simply moved them to another wallet to hold for a period of time, but we cannot say what kind of wallet that is just by looking at the blockchain.

Depends. If you use Trezor with a wallet like Electrum, the server will be able to see the addresses associated with the origin IP. It could be requested through a VPN, Tor or proxy. If you were to see it through the transactions associated with the addresses alone, you probably won't know. Unlike custodial wallets, they tend to not have any obvious heuristics that would leave any clues.

I'm using non-custodial one. I just wonder how those people able trackdown where does those stolen funds was sent. So if the hacker who stole the funds sent it to a secured wallet, like trezor, would those people who investigates the incident still be able to know that it was sent to a trezor wallet? As I understood, they won't, since it isn't centralized. Thanks for the inputs.

Custodial wallets are completely different from the wallets that OP mentioned. Those wallets usually have definitive behaviors, like spending to a central wallets and for which Binance posts theirs publicly but it wouldn't be hard to determine which are the common addresses belonging to the various exchanges. As said in my reply, if you want to determine those kinds of transactions, you'll be looking at the spending habits, periodic spending to specific addresses, batched transactions to known addresses, etc.

If you're using a custodial "wallet", then this shouldn't be a topic at all.

If that is the case, how does anyone able to tell where some of the stolen bitcoin were sent? For example, there are some hacking incidents to an exchange platform, then investigators was able to tell that some of the stolen funds were sent to binance, and some some was sent to coinbase. How's that? How did they knew it was sent to those trading platforms? AFAIK they can also be considered as bitcoin wallets.

If you're worried about privacy, Blockchair's Privacy-o-meter (as displayed on under every transaction) might be interesting:


See the Documentation.
You can also use this to fake data, for instance setting a round fee when that's not typical for the wallet you're using. Or sending a round amount to your change address, so it looks like that's the main transaction you were making.

Wallets are not traceable you can only see what address used on blockchain explorer, if for instance you use no replace by fee on replace by fee wallet, it will be impossible to know because alnostball wallets can not replace fee. What people can still try to be able to track is your balance, it is not also easy work to do this, but this can be know during certain  unspent output transactions.

You are right. But I'm curious why would you lie about what kind of wallet you are using? Because in a sense of sending a payment to them there would be no difference when it comes to what they receive may it be from an Electrum wallet or on a custodial wallet like Coinbase. Or is this guy trying to force you to install Electrum just to send a payment? If this is the case then maybe its a good time to run away because he might just be there trying to scam your BTC.

I am shocked to see that much ignorance and stubborn behavior.

If you read the topic closely (i know you can do it!), you will see that the question never was if there is any "wallet type stored".

You might want to first learn about address types and how they work. And then you could stop writing stupid things.
Afterwards, you can start to actually contribute to discussions which are currently way above your knowledge. Until then, it is all spam.

You can safely just ignore Bob and his 'Theories' if you want to make any progress at all.

There is no wallet type stored if you send BTC.
Only a address type and that does not reveal anything about any wallet that was or was not used.

Where did is say that?
I gave you an theoretical example where any 3rd person can do that?

And if you are using a VPN, yes.. obviously the VPN provider knows everything about you (and they do make money off your data).




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You are right but the receiver will know the wallet is a personal wallet and in this case I usually advise the use of a wasabi wallet even when privacy is not the top priority (when not using the coinjoin) cause the wallet cant be found by walletexplorer.com

Sort of, cause it is easy to know if the wallet use belongs to an exchange site while personal can be identified as personal the wallet provider cant be known.

walletexplorer.com but OXT research and chainanalysis also offer in-depth research service in this kind of situation.

We have 3 options ISP, VPN and TOR. You say now only ISP can. and here you say vpn can too.


so what do you mean specifically since in any internet situation, provider will know it?

You missed the crucial point.
My statement is that the ISP can find this out / knows this.
Your statement is that only the ISP can.

That's a huge difference.

You can't answer this question with a generic "only X can do Y".
It depends on the whole situation. In some theoretical circumstances every single person could find out which wallet is being used (e.g. weird individual locktime set).

This most probably is not the case for OP, but a generic answer to such a question is simply wrong.