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Topic: If I were to steal 0.5 billion … a story how I would do / wouldn’t have done it (Read 5143 times)

zyk
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whats about the real story?  Mark is implementing Litecoin to Midas ? Fukushima is fixed?   Grin
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Well Loozik, I for one applaud your re-telling of these true events.

I told a fictional story. This story has nothing to do with the current events. I am not re-telling current events.
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Well Loozik, I for one applaud your re-telling of these true events. From my angle of research you are spot on. Everyone has their price and this is why we can't have nice things...
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Loozik : you've got a nice storyboard, but I doubt most of the audience watching the movie-adaptation of this story will understand anything before the final twist/revelation !

I guess in fiction bad guys are always losing
- because they always think they're superior, or
- because there is too much good guys walking the same way...).

Let's hope reality would end the same way as in fiction if someday some big steal appears to be done...
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(it took 1 day and a half to get through).

Because I am a nice guy, I would like to speed up your detective work. Have a look at this transaction: https://blockchain.info/tx/a7687022d9171141dd54482994f5bf187803ef78fb23d7fcb35ad5a51f73a6a3

If this transaction were the part of Digitcoin system and the theft masterminded by me, you would notice after a several clicks that an ''amount is sent MINUS 200 Digitcoins'', an ''amount is sent MINUS 200 Digitcoins'', etc.

You would also notice (after you clicked for a quarter of an hour) that Miss Whale's operational employee would test the scheme first with sending one Digitcoin. You would later discover many such unrelated in time transactions / chains of transactions (1 Digitcoin sent and then amount is sent MINUS another amount, amount is sent MINUS another amount).

You will start to see the pattern and you will finally discover a transaction where the scheme is tested by sending 1 Digitcoin and then withdrawing 1 Digitcoin. That's when Miss Whale's operational employee would be testing the software to be later used to blurr the image.

After you would spend an hour or so, you might conclude that you discovered yet another system (different than you discovered today). You still wouldn't know though wheteher it is because:
- Miss Whale are many persons (therefore many systems of blurring the image after transferring the stolen coins out of MtCocks)
- stolen coins use different systems because the beneficiaries are different or
- stolen coins use different systems because they would need to be laundered differently.

By investigating the transaction to which link I posted you might discover whether Miss Whale would launder the stolen coins at coinkaida or at a dark pool of another exchange (this is where and when Miss Whale's one employee buys coins from Miss Whale's another employee).
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I was reading the forum and came across 2nd bucketshop again, and remembered your great story and my muddleheaded ideas about them. That they are just debt collectors and that this https://blockchain.info/tx/a289ea76bcc396412e90d63b90eb462ea2adb326aa027d5a1bb8864c7c152012 transaction has to be theirs (it took 1 day and a half to get through).
But now, it seems plausible again. Adress https://blockchain.info/address/15c2N528gELxafSDZyKgJeVBYujtpH8cx4 is split it many ( https://blockchain.info/address/1EBHA1ckUWzNKN7BMfDwGTx6GKEbADUozX (42,726.85831384 BTC)
https://blockchain.info/address/194DnvmLR2HULRvxUsVag8mn2fm7dA3U2B (42,104.04267784 BTC)
https://blockchain.info/address/14e7XAZbepQp9MXXzjNG3fNLoAUpaBAXHW (41,993.6768985 BTC)
https://blockchain.info/address/1PnMfRF2enSZnR6JSexxBHuQnxG8Vo5FVK (42,750.23843166 BTC)
https://blockchain.info/address/1PB4xXUFyy4kSNqroCBVaQuCuw9VcN3be4 (46,660.72205394 BTC)
https://blockchain.info/address/1KiVwxEuGBYavyKrxkLncJt2pQ5YUUQX7f (42,140.5954231 BTC)
https://blockchain.info/address/1DiHDQMPFu4p84rkLn6Majj2LCZZZRQUaa (43,562.80676059 BTC)
https://blockchain.info/address/18f1yugoAJuXcHAbsuRVLQC9TezJ6iVRLp (41,981.67648616 BTC)
https://blockchain.info/address/1ABS7zUZP76NjNYs9DLoWnKfZFTR7WLrAM (40,663.46529761 BTC) )  with total around 400k BTC.
Cocks and 2nd bucketshop could did it alone, and you could get rid of Although I wouldn’t in your story.

The addresses you mentioned indeed would contain the ''unaccounted for / disappeared'' coins. These addresses / transactions would share certain specific pattern (gmaxwell suggested today that search for coins could start from a certain transaction; gmaxwell must have identified certain specific pattern) that when looked for through Digitcoin blockchain, would easily lead the investigators to what addresses the Digitcoins ended.

It is a nice find on how I wouldn't have done it Smiley

In case you want to investigate further (not related to this purely fictional and made up story):
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5572364
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5544807
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I was reading the forum and came across 2nd bucketshop again, and remembered your great story and my muddleheaded ideas about them. That they are just debt collectors and that this https://blockchain.info/tx/a289ea76bcc396412e90d63b90eb462ea2adb326aa027d5a1bb8864c7c152012 transaction has to be theirs (it took 1 day and a half to get through).
But now, it seems plausible again. Adress https://blockchain.info/address/15c2N528gELxafSDZyKgJeVBYujtpH8cx4 is split it many ( https://blockchain.info/address/1EBHA1ckUWzNKN7BMfDwGTx6GKEbADUozX (42,726.85831384 BTC)
https://blockchain.info/address/194DnvmLR2HULRvxUsVag8mn2fm7dA3U2B (42,104.04267784 BTC)
https://blockchain.info/address/14e7XAZbepQp9MXXzjNG3fNLoAUpaBAXHW (41,993.6768985 BTC)
https://blockchain.info/address/1PnMfRF2enSZnR6JSexxBHuQnxG8Vo5FVK (42,750.23843166 BTC)
https://blockchain.info/address/1PB4xXUFyy4kSNqroCBVaQuCuw9VcN3be4 (46,660.72205394 BTC)
https://blockchain.info/address/1KiVwxEuGBYavyKrxkLncJt2pQ5YUUQX7f (42,140.5954231 BTC)
https://blockchain.info/address/1DiHDQMPFu4p84rkLn6Majj2LCZZZRQUaa (43,562.80676059 BTC)
https://blockchain.info/address/18f1yugoAJuXcHAbsuRVLQC9TezJ6iVRLp (41,981.67648616 BTC)
https://blockchain.info/address/1ABS7zUZP76NjNYs9DLoWnKfZFTR7WLrAM (40,663.46529761 BTC) )  with total around 400k BTC.
Cocks and 2nd bucketshop could did it alone, and you could get rid of Although I wouldn’t in your story.
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But I wonder, and I know you didn't mention it, but what if MtCocks tried to blame some of their woes on the digitcoin protocols near the end?  Then wouldn't the MtCocks sourcecode which was later released either help substantiate or refute that story to some degree?  I mean I know that the release of any of the source code by your magicians pretending to be hackers supports the story that MtCocks was an amateurish exchange, but if MtCocks was really trying to blame the digitcoin protocol, it would seem that their own code would have to support that story.  Otherwise it is a potential point of incrimination for the CEO.

MtCocks's CEO wouldn't be so stupid to tell that the coins were just stolen. In line with previously received instructions he would be claiming the coins were made ''disappeared'' or ''unaccounted for'' so that he couldn't incriminated himself in the future. He would be instructed to repeat this mantra for as long as he could so that criminal proceedings and official police investigation wouldn't start (people wouldn't know if this is criminal or just civil matter). Never and nowhere would he mention that the disapperance of the coins had to do with the code of the ''computer system''. Instead he would blame the ''system'' which can refer not only to a computer system (badly written code), but also to procedures, employees and their ethics.


You know another thing that occurred to me, if you had gotten away with something like this, what would prevent you from just doing it again?  I mean if you already had people lined up for roles it seems like you could shift some things around, open another exchange, lather, rinse, and repeat.

I am so ethical you can be sure I would screw people again in the future. I am so smart I would use different scenario though.
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Very interesting story.


hope you got some good life insurance buddy

Yes, you should leave this shit to apropriate institutions.




But it is like Agatha Christie book. So I have a question.
Although I wouldn’t fucking allow Jesus to read from a prompter! Someone might have later guessed it had been staged.
I remember Jesus, the Bitcoin Angel Investor reading that statement. But people were making jokes and not believing him. Why didn't he learned few words by hart? Wasn't that too much obvius?




And yes. The cat. It is Tibane, similar to Tibanne Co.Ltd. and same as Tibane in Algeria. Do they have some secret camp there?


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This is a really interesting story.  I look forward to seeing the movie (when it comes out on DVD, I don't really get out to the theaters much).

But I wonder, and I know you didn't mention it, but what if MtCocks tried to blame some of their woes on the digitcoin protocols near the end?  Then wouldn't the MtCocks sourcecode which was later released either help substantiate or refute that story to some degree?  I mean I know that the release of any of the source code by your magicians pretending to be hackers supports the story that MtCocks was an amateurish exchange, but if MtCocks was really trying to blame the digitcoin protocol, it would seem that their own code would have to support that story.  Otherwise it is a potential point of incrimination for the CEO.

You know another thing that occurred to me, if you had gotten away with something like this, what would prevent you from just doing it again?  I mean if you already had people lined up for roles it seems like you could shift some things around, open another exchange, lather, rinse, and repeat.
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This couldn't happen in reality, because people usually get honest and ethical around money...

Smiley

I share your point of view. It is unbelievable my story could happen in reality. That's why I wrote in the foreword that this was a fictional story.
zyk
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Will "you" get caught at the end?

No, but one of the distraction / smokescreen that already surfaced would give me the necessary room for manouvering myself out of the situation and more or less help the scapegoat (in case things were turning criminal for him).

how and why those things still haven´t turned criminal against him is the source of utter disgust and can only mean one thing...GTFO of cold storage and sell the

hell before your head is handed to you....
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This couldn't happen in reality, because people usually get honest and ethical around money...

Smiley
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Will "you" get caught at the end?

No, but one of the distraction / smokescreen that already surfaced would give me the necessary room for manouvering myself out of the situation and more or less help the scapegoat (in case things were turning criminal for him).
zyk
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Miss Whale should be easily identified, if somebody only would be interested in a criminal investigation of the trading and Fiat account records...

The existance  of the entity of Mr. X will prove itself then by the selling off of bitcoin to under a hundred bucks when the recent manipulation ends !

GTFO
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Will "you" get caught at the end?
I hope so!!!
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a timeline : http://pastebin.com/jES4zEuf

although, some details in the timeline are missing...


truly splendid writeup already, wouldn't mind details contributing to the story (from which everyone can draw his own conclusions).
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who is Stephane Portha (known scammer) and why is he connected with Mt.Gox Mark Karpeles?

No names please. The story is fictional. It is for entertainment purposes only.
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