If the minimum reason a government exists.... - page 3.

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Quote from: Bitcoin Oz on November 25, 2012, 08:42:00 PM

is the protection of property what is the point of its existence in a world where property and contracts are unenforceable ?

People can steal your coins and there is nothing the state can do to get them back. Bitcoin and the state are mutually exclusive because if bitcoin exists the purpose and excuse for government flies out the window.

In this case you may as well use the mafia to break peoples legs. But if a government exists it will prevent the mafia from doing so...

You can see in this scenario that a government existing when bitcoin does prevents retaliation and protects criminals. They can steal your coins but the government prevents you from seizing the criminals property to reimburse the victim.

You've got maximum and minimum mixed up. But other than that, you've a good point.

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Quote from: Richy_T on November 26, 2012, 02:08:32 PM

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Various governments around the world exist for lots of different reasons.

Unfortunately, for some reason Bitcoin seems to attract a few extremist nutters who worship Property (and money) above all else as their god, and equate most forms of 'community' and organisational structures with Satan. They see Bitcoin as a useful tool that they can misuse to promote their crazy utopias.

If property is such a terrible thing, why do the statists want to take it so badly?

Because they're lying, or they're hypocrites, or they want the use of property for themselves but not for others, or... well, insert any corrupt reason you can think of. It's the same shit pie that Catholicism sold to everyone ("be poor, give all your money to the church because property is bad"), just shrinkwrapped in a new statist package.

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Various governments around the world exist for lots of different reasons.

Unfortunately, for some reason Bitcoin seems to attract a few extremist nutters who worship Property (and money) above all else as their god, and equate most forms of 'community' and organisational structures with Satan. They see Bitcoin as a useful tool that they can misuse to promote their crazy utopias.

If property is such a terrible thing, why do the statists want to take it so badly?

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Quote from: ECore on November 25, 2012, 08:54:42 PM

The government doesn't exist to protect your property. That's YOUR job. It's the police dept. job to investigate any wrongs, but what you are implying is that you are throwing your wallet out into the street and the gov'ment is supposed to be there to guard it.

The federal government exists for infrastructure and defense, not to hold your hand in your financial decisions.

To the extent that I was informed, you are mistaken. Allegedly the whole point of the government is to provide protection -- this is what is known as "duty of protection" that you get in exchange for your "duty of allegiance" that you owe to the government. And yes, this "duty of protection" allegedly extends to your property. Why do you think theft and fraud are statutorily codified as crime?

Now, to be fair, government has repeatedly stated that they owe no such "duty of protection" (look up the Marc Stevens talk called Delusions). This means that the reason given by people doing business as "government" to boss you around and violently punish you when you fail to fulfill your "duty of Allegiance" is obviously a false reason -- in short, that they are operating nothing more than a massive criminal scam under color of legitimacy.

But we knew that already.

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The government doesn't exist to protect your property. That's YOUR job. It's the police dept. job to investigate any wrongs, but what you are implying is that you are throwing your wallet out into the street and the gov'ment is supposed to be there to guard it.

The federal government exists for infrastructure and defense, not to hold your hand in your financial decisions.

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is the protection of property what is the point of its existence in a world where property and contracts are unenforceable ?

People can steal your coins and there is nothing the state can do to get them back. Bitcoin and the state are mutually exclusive because if bitcoin exists the purpose and excuse for government flies out the window.

In this case you may as well use the mafia to break peoples legs. But if a government exists it will prevent the mafia from doing so...

You can see in this scenario that a government existing when bitcoin does prevents retaliation and protects criminals. They can steal your coins but the government prevents you from seizing the criminals property to reimburse the victim.

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