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Topic: If you could convert your paycheck into bitcoin (like automatically) (Read 2053 times)

legendary
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I'm not sure I could agree with that.  If he was tremendously lucky and mined the next block including a spend from the same address, he could withhold it for a minute while he executed his double spend.  But, like I said, unless he's buying a car or a house, it isn't worth the effort.  And if he is buying something expensive, the seller should have his name and address anyway and can press charges, same as with credit card fraud.
We were just thinking about different price levels.

$100 in a grocery shop -> 0 confirmations.
$30.000 in a car retailer -> 1 confirmation.
$1000.000 at a real estate broker -> 2 confirmations.

Yep.  Double spends are ridiculously expensive to pull off reliably even with 0 confirms as long as the merchant's node is properly configured.
legendary
Activity: 1904
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the average guy with even a BFL minirig isn't going to be able to do jack shit after 2 confirms
2 confirms [or even 1 confirm] often mean 30 minutes of waiting Cheesy

However if you'd change your point to:
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the average guy with even a BFL minirig isn't going to be able to do jack shit after 0 confirms
I'd agree with you completely.

I'm not sure I could agree with that.  If he was tremendously lucky and mined the next block including a spend from the same address, he could withhold it for a minute while he executed his double spend.  But, like I said, unless he's buying a car or a house, it isn't worth the effort.  And if he is buying something expensive, the seller should have his name and address anyway and can press charges, same as with credit card fraud.
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1002
Holy shit no way would I convert my paycheck.   Then what, you have to escrow each and every little thing you ever want to buy.   Fuck that.  Oh ok, you have the face to face thing so sure you can go sit in the gas station for an hour waiting for the transaction to confirm 6 times.



A bitcoin transaction is irreversible after 1 hour.  A credit card takes 6 months, but they seem to be able to make it work.

Ok, I've been using credit cards for ummmmmm... 25 years.  I've never had 1 charge back or issue.   I'll stick with credit cards, you can go wait an hour for each of your 30 to 40 purchases you do per week in an average life.   Don't know about you but I got better things to do with my time.

My point is for most transactions it is not worth trying to scam.  Merchants have chargeback issues all the time with credit cards, and are exposed to the risk for 6 months.  With bitcoin, they are only exposed for roughly 60 minutes (If you assume the scammer has millions of dollars worth the hardware at their disposal... the average guy with even a BFL minirig isn't going to be able to do jack shit after 2 confirms).  They will still let you walk away, but they have less to worry about with bitcoin.
legendary
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It would be nice if Bitcoin was widely accepted enough to do that.  The problem is I cannot use Bitcoin to pay my mortgage, electric bill, water, gas, etc.  I would have to try and get cash out to do that and that is not that easy to do and there are always fees involved.  Someday though . . .
member
Activity: 109
Merit: 10
Holy shit no way would I convert my paycheck.   Then what, you have to escrow each and every little thing you ever want to buy.   Fuck that.  Oh ok, you have the face to face thing so sure you can go sit in the gas station for an hour waiting for the transaction to confirm 6 times.



A bitcoin transaction is irreversible after 1 hour.  A credit card takes 6 months, but they seem to be able to make it work.

Ok, I've been using credit cards for ummmmmm... 25 years.  I've never had 1 charge back or issue.   I'll stick with credit cards, you can go wait an hour for each of your 30 to 40 purchases you do per week in an average life.   Don't know about you but I got better things to do with my time.
legendary
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I would never want to convert my paycheck into bitcoin its too volatile and a hassle to spend on everyday items like groceries. Maybe if every place started to accept them not probably not even then.
hero member
Activity: 882
Merit: 501
Ching-Chang;Ding-Dong
Or just use one of the exchanges...?
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1002
Holy shit no way would I convert my paycheck.   Then what, you have to escrow each and every little thing you ever want to buy.   Fuck that.  Oh ok, you have the face to face thing so sure you can go sit in the gas station for an hour waiting for the transaction to confirm 6 times.



A bitcoin transaction is irreversible after 1 hour.  A credit card takes 6 months, but they seem to be able to make it work.
hero member
Activity: 658
Merit: 500
Holy shit no way would I convert my paycheck.   Then what, you have to escrow each and every little thing you ever want to buy.   Fuck that.  Oh ok, you have the face to face thing so sure you can go sit in the gas station for an hour waiting for the transaction to confirm 6 times.


LOL, good piont on the petrol front.
Nah I was thinking more that you had heaps of FIAT already and could just use your paycheck for more bitcoins

At the moment converting, cashing out is such a pain I totally agree.
member
Activity: 109
Merit: 10
Holy shit no way would I convert my paycheck.   Then what, you have to escrow each and every little thing you ever want to buy.   Fuck that.  Oh ok, you have the face to face thing so sure you can go sit in the gas station for an hour waiting for the transaction to confirm 6 times.

hero member
Activity: 658
Merit: 500
i WISH i could convert all of it!!!
 Grin
hero member
Activity: 495
Merit: 507
Would this service also be a simulation?
What does this mean?

This is a demo instance of the CoinLenders Bitcoin Bank Script. While this demo is fully functional, nothing is real, and nothing is an investment.

Like that would help you in court.

Wow, that one's new. Now, if that were to go to court, it would make a really interesting news story, lol. I don't think that would work in this scenario as I'd actually accept cheques which obviously aren't demo, and if they were to bounce obviously I'd have to take legal action.

So yea, I opened this thread to see what people think, not because I actually intended to start a business doing this. I mean, it would sorta be cool if I could, but I can't now, so I won't. Vaguely in the vague future I want to, though.

So are you or are you not running an unlicenced lending business?
What? I don't run any lending business at all?

EDIT: Wait, you need a license to lend? Holy crap, thats news to me. What don't you need a license to do anymore?

Shine on, you crazy diamond.
full member
Activity: 168
Merit: 100
Would this service also be a simulation?
What does this mean?

This is a demo instance of the CoinLenders Bitcoin Bank Script. While this demo is fully functional, nothing is real, and nothing is an investment.

Like that would help you in court.

Wow, that one's new. Now, if that were to go to court, it would make a really interesting news story, lol. I don't think that would work in this scenario as I'd actually accept cheques which obviously aren't demo, and if they were to bounce obviously I'd have to take legal action.

So yea, I opened this thread to see what people think, not because I actually intended to start a business doing this. I mean, it would sorta be cool if I could, but I can't now, so I won't. Vaguely in the vague future I want to, though.

So are you or are you not running an unlicenced lending business?
What? I don't run any lending business at all?

EDIT: Wait, you need a license to lend? Holy crap, thats news to me. What don't you need a license to do anymore?
hero member
Activity: 495
Merit: 507
Would this service also be a simulation?
What does this mean?

This is a demo instance of the CoinLenders Bitcoin Bank Script. While this demo is fully functional, nothing is real, and nothing is an investment.

Like that would help you in court.

Wow, that one's new. Now, if that were to go to court, it would make a really interesting news story, lol. I don't think that would work in this scenario as I'd actually accept cheques which obviously aren't demo, and if they were to bounce obviously I'd have to take legal action.

So yea, I opened this thread to see what people think, not because I actually intended to start a business doing this. I mean, it would sorta be cool if I could, but I can't now, so I won't. Vaguely in the vague future I want to, though.

So are you or are you not running an unlicenced lending business?
full member
Activity: 168
Merit: 100
Would this service also be a simulation?
What does this mean?

This is a demo instance of the CoinLenders Bitcoin Bank Script. While this demo is fully functional, nothing is real, and nothing is an investment.

Like that would help you in court.

Wow, that one's new. Now, if that were to go to court, it would make a really interesting news story, lol. I don't think that would work in this scenario as I'd actually accept cheques which obviously aren't demo, and if they were to bounce obviously I'd have to take legal action.

So yea, I opened this thread to see what people think, not because I actually intended to start a business doing this. I mean, it would sorta be cool if I could, but I can't now, so I won't. Vaguely in the vague future I want to, though.
hero member
Activity: 495
Merit: 507
Would this service also be a simulation?
What does this mean?

This is a demo instance of the CoinLenders Bitcoin Bank Script. While this demo is fully functional, nothing is real, and nothing is an investment.

Like that would help you in court.
sr. member
Activity: 291
Merit: 250
Just a fun poll.
Yeah, but one of the better ones out there.  Interesting...
full member
Activity: 168
Merit: 100
Would this service also be a simulation?
What does this mean?
hero member
Activity: 495
Merit: 507
Would this service also be a simulation?
copper member
Activity: 3948
Merit: 2201
Verified awesomeness ✔
If I could transfer my whole cheque and have a debit card using bitcoins I would do that, I want to take away the power that the banks have to keep us slaves to this system
Don't we all want that?
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