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You ask in this forum with the majority of bitcoiners about how to fight bitcoin? I personally know how bitcoin works in general, I'm not going against it.

I have no idea that even governments feel threatened (unless they have a highly corrupt system), instead the threat is aimed at the fractional reserve system of bankers. If leaders want a transparent financial system, then they must follow how bitcoin works.

I see the government as the enemy of the people. And to protect our assets (BTC) we must understand how the enemy thinks and operates.
As George Orwell predicted, banks and governments want to control every aspect of our lives.
If you ask the bank to withdraw $5000 dollars, they will interrogate you like a criminal for getting access to your own money.

Bitcoin is totally out of their control. They can not tax what they don't know you own.
Central banks can not print bitcoin. They can't enslave humans with debt traps in BTC, with inflation, and with rising intrest rates killing economies.
Therefore banks and governments are terrified of bitcoin. They can't take it from you.

So I expect banks and governments to fight back, and I wonder how they will.
I expect excuses like "Criminals use it for money laundering" and "Mining bitcoins is bad for the environment. We must save the planet"
Or "Trading bitcoin for currency is a threat to the stability of the monetary system. Therefore we must prevent conversion of currency to BTC"

The FTX bankruptcy seems to have sparked a contagion of collapses that may cause a total meltdown of the crypto industry. It would not surprise me if Sam Bankman Fried acted as a service to the banking industry.

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We’ve often heard a lot of gullible about bitcoin and these can’t stop bitcoins mass adoption. A lot of critics about it have also gone viral which has also hinder its acceptance everywhere. Putting people into jail for using cryptocurrency cannot stop its adoption, only if the internet can be stopped will bitcoin follow suit. So bitcoin is here to stay forever.
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It is depend on situation of the country, if it seems that it's okay to adopt bitcoin then governments may use bitcoin as catalyst for economic growth because some economics sectors such as fintech and etc may have good development progress. But if the situation of the country need to make the fiat remain strong in the market then they have no choice. I think the problem here is not the government but the fiat that we use. This currency has many weaknesses and can easily loss it's value by only destroy the country literally or economically. It's not like a real gold where it's always has value in many condition.
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Technically speaking, it is impossible to prevent anyone from using Bitcoin unless you succeed in cutting off the Internet completely from their devices for a long time. There is practically no effective way to stop the use of Bitcoin.
On the other hand, some governments are restricting users who can identify them, but this does not stop the wave of adoption. We have seen governments discredit Bitcoin and others warn about it.
The best way to deal with this is for governments to legalize its use and benefit from it, which seems far away due to the stubbornness of the banking sector, which is considered the most affected.
Even if the government goes tight in bitcoin restrictions and sanctions for bitcoin owners, that will not stop people from wanting bitcoin. Just like how they threat illegal gamblers, but still there are a lot of illegal gamblers around betting here and there. Same with bitcoin, they won't be able to control and fight against it, unless if there are sudden internet shutdown, definitely that will stop all bitcoin transactions.
As I mentioned before, it is technically impossible to prevent people from using Bitcoin simply because it is not possible to prevent people from using the internet on their phones. The state cannot stop the services of Internet providers.
What I mean by legalizing bitcoin is enabling the platforms to obtain activity licenses, so the state can track the financial activities of bitcoin users and be able to tax them and combat suspicious activities. For peer transactions, it cannot be counted, but it remains a degree of risk that cannot be denied.
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I've often heard that nothing can stop bitcoin.
While this may be true, I would like to make a list of all possible ways in which banks and governments will try to fight against BTC. So we could find ways to anticipate against it.

Some ideas:

- Prison sentences for people getting caught owning BTC, trading it or selling goods in BTC. Penalties so severe that most people will back off. I often hear local media associate BTC holders with criminals and money launderers, and expect governments to treat them as such. Local banks in my country can face penalties if crypto profits are transfered to a local bank account.

- Regulation for exchanges getting so tough that they can never comply, which will cause them to be shut down, which would generate a run on crypto with a similar effect to FTX bankruptcy.
- Liquidity crises of the exchanges. In case of a bank run, banks can pay about 3% of their account holders. I wonder which amount of liquidity an exchange should have to be solvent. FTX behaved like a bank, but the difference is that FTX' bankruptcy can cause a crash of BTC price while a bank run just leads to the bank being bailed out by the IMF, without the currency getting destroyed.

If you think that none of these things is a realistic threat to the system, let me know.
If there are other threats, likewise.





What might make the most sense in my opinion is too increase friction as much as possible. Saying that Bitcoin is "unstoppable" is indeed true. What governments can do is to turn Bitcoin from an innovational Ferrari into a heavy transport train, maybe blowing up the rails at times to try to stop it temporarily in making any progress.

Now you realize that even if you slow Bitcoin down, it is still a heavy transport train, going slowly but surely as there is enough lobby taking care of functioning rails.

> Prison sentences: that's a funny one because even today many countries have issues in keeping up the logistics and sufficient capacities for criminals not involved in Bitcoin or cryptocurrency in general. When India threatened to put everyone into jail who is dealing with crypto, I guess you wouldn't have had to pass any class in school in order to know that putting 100 million Indians into jail (let's leave the whole administration for police investigation and court processes aside) might be sliiightly too demanding for the Indian system as a whole! Cheesy

Sure, they could try and set precedences by nationwide propaganda, letting people know that someone is going to jail for 15 years as a consequence of owning some Bitcoin, but seriously that is not going to work out either. They would have to destroy any rule of law and any bit of democracy to justify a prison sentence that might not even have the slightest of an effect, taking into consideration that not even the death penalty is backed by science showing that a certain crime rate goes down as a result of the death penalty.

>Increasing regulation for exchanges until they can't handle it anymore: this won't work either in the mid to long-term for various good reasons. One reason is that decentralized exchanges are already there and they will only get better. Multi-sig technologies already allow for safe peer-to-peer transactions on simple websites that can't even easily be shut down by the governments. Fully decentralized exchanges are evolving. How are you going to increase regulation for them? There are surely ways to regulate the version that might be there today, but what if there is another version tomorrow? The issue regulation has in comparison to technological innovation: it always lacks behind. And in many cases the developers might not even be known so you can't even sue anyone.

If I recall correctly, the use of Tornado.cash was sanctioned now. People who use it get into trouble. Really? That leads me to my next point, also addressing your precise question whether increased regulation could force exchanges into compliance issues.

>Lawsuits! Tornado.cash, and I really expected it, under the lead of Coin Center is going to sue US Financial Authorities! When governments decide to increase compliance rules to a level such that crypto-related exchanges specifically are brought to their knees, they will guaranteed fight back legally. The case is easy to be made: why would a financial institution facilitating trade be any different in front of the law than the ordinary bank? Crypto exchanges would cooperate, which means they would have access to financial superpower (even Binance alone I guess) and employ an army of lawyers and investigators in order to find loopholes, simple proofs that banks are no different, complex proofs for the matter as well, and probably a lot of stuff we can't even imagine. I want to see the judge who then comes up with a plausible verdict that justifies different treatment between banks and registered exchanges so severe that compliance rules for crypto exchanges can be of magnitudes harder than those for banks. I am sure they can come up with shenanigans for a certain period of time, but they can't probably make a case that means end to crypto exchanges while allowing banks to prosper with their current business models. It just needs a single financial crisis and those verdicts would be attacked again.


The decision that is to be made by governments is whether to fight or embrace Bitcoin, also in the fact of global competition. We have already seen companies choosing the most crypto-friendly countries to incorporate their headquarters. Switzerland was a great example for that and so governments also feel the pressure to not make mistakes and abandon an entire industry with strong future potential.
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If I were the government, the best way to fight it is to understand it, accept it, even own it, show the people this series of changes and let them judge for themselves.
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- Prison sentences for people getting caught owning BTC, trading it or selling goods in BTC. Penalties so severe that most people will back off. I often hear local media associate BTC holders with criminals and money launderers, and expect governments to treat them as such. Local banks in my country can face penalties if crypto profits are transfered to a local bank account.
There are some criminals who are still at large right now. Do you think that putting us Bitcoin holders into prison will be the solution against Bitcoin? Nahhh I don't think so and just think, how will the authorities know who the current Bitcoin holders are? What will be the case that will be given to them? It will take time and I don't think the authorities will do such things like this.

Overall, there might be some governments that are anti-Bitcoin but, in the end, they can't do anything to stop those people to get involved into cryptocurrency. There is famous quote that says, "If you can't beat them, join them". Government will waste tons of money by fighting against Bitcoin and in the end, they will not accomplish anything that's for sure. Regulations might help but regulations are being made to protect the countrymen and not to stop them from using it.

Government can't stop a thing that they didn't create at first so maybe forget that scenario already that the government will fight against Bitcoin because just by looking at what's happening with Bitcoin, it looks like there are no ways for people to stop them from buying it.
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Regulations everywhere. If I were the government, same as what they are doing right now. Regulations. Become more strict. As you can see, these governments are first working on top or on top cryptocurrency entities which I believe for them, by doing that, it will pass down to the retail individuals.
Since Bitcoin really can't control by anyone even the government, it's still useless. For me, those regulations got different to do with Bitcoin since Bitcoin created as decentralized at all.
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I don't think there is a government that can stop bitcoin 100%, isn't it better for the country to take care of things that are more important than bitcoin itself if one country has economic and security problems,
I think it's a waste of time if one government only focuses on fighting the existence of bitcoin

because Bitcoin cannot be fought and stopped, more and more people are adopting it every day
Yeah, not country or a government is able to stop it. I'll try to follow the footsteps of Nayib Bukele, President of El Salvador. Surely it'll bring success to the country's economy in the long term. Also when we allow the people to benefit out of it, surely they'll pay the proper amount to the government. It is for the revenue the countries find possible ways to keep the users under control.
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I don't think there is a government that can stop bitcoin 100%, isn't it better for the country to take care of things that are more important than bitcoin itself if one country has economic and security problems,
I think it's a waste of time if one government only focuses on fighting the existence of bitcoin

because Bitcoin cannot be fought and stopped, more and more people are adopting it every day
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I'm lucky that my country and my government didn't against Bitcoin. 
If I were the government, I wouldn't but instead, implement regulations and becomes Bitcoin a legal tender.  We know that there's no intermediary who can control Bitcoin, but you can use this as an advantage of the revolutionary blockchain as we know our technology evolves.

There are too many ways how to use blockchain networks which makes an advantage to our government.  Something like online crypto payments for real estate auctions, taxes, and fees.  So how could anyone be against the utility of blockchain aside from storing the value?
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If I was the government, I would regulate every CEX as much as I could. I would forbid bank transfers happening when the receiver is a cex unless It's strictly regulated (this is already happening, but I would endure It). I would regulate stablecoins, those owning these assets on omni or EVM chains would have to provide KYC or else would get their assets burnt. And lastly, I would encourage banks to offer bitcoin products to clients as long as they follow my regulations, this way not only I stop bitcoin, but also profit from It.

But of course, 10 minutes later after I impose my regulations, a bitcoin block would be found. There is no way to fully regulate bitcoin.
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I've often heard that nothing can stop bitcoin.
While this may be true, I would like to make a list of all possible ways in which banks and governments will try to fight against BTC. So we could find ways to anticipate against it.

Some ideas:

- Prison sentences for people getting caught owning BTC, trading it or selling goods in BTC. Penalties so severe that most people will back off. I often hear local media associate BTC holders with criminals and money launderers, and expect governments to treat them as such. Local banks in my country can face penalties if crypto profits are transfered to a local bank account.

- Regulation for exchanges getting so tough that they can never comply, which will cause them to be shut down, which would generate a run on crypto with a similar effect to FTX bankruptcy.
- Liquidity crises of the exchanges. In case of a bank run, banks can pay about 3% of their account holders. I wonder which amount of liquidity an exchange should have to be solvent. FTX behaved like a bank, but the difference is that FTX' bankruptcy can cause a crash of BTC price while a bank run just leads to the bank being bailed out by the IMF, without the currency getting destroyed.

If you think that none of these things is a realistic threat to the system, let me know.
If there are other threats, likewise.

@OP people are stubborn, the more you suppress them, the more they rebel.  I don't think putting Bitcoin supporters to prison will solve the problem of people flocking in to Bitcoin.  True many will have fear but most will feel being suppressed and might rebel against the government by giving more support to Bitcoin.

With regulation on exchanges, Bitcoin doesn't need centralized exchanges to be transferred or traded. There is also decentralized exchanges that can take the place of centralized exchange if need be.

If people starts trading via p2p and decentralized exchanges, there is no need for the exchange liquidity since transaction is directly done by the party involved and no third party is needed for it.
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If I were to be government I would not even try to fight against bitcoin, why should I do so? bitcoin is the least of the problems any country can face if it is actually a problem.
I have seen many points you listed that will be used to fight against bitcoin if you were to be government. Remember that no government owns the internet and as long as anyone has an access to internet they can do anything they wish to do. Another point of consideration is there is no central government for the whole world, while the government of United States of America is fighting bitcoin, the government of China will embrace bitcoin,vice versa because the two countries are always going against each other.

Finally, I saw a topic were someone suggested that government will buy the whole available Bitcoin to make bitcoin die off. There was a counter opinion that as government keeps buying, the price of Bitcoin keeps going high to the extent that government will be unable to buy the whole bitcoin. Even if they do, how about the Bitcoin owned by satoshi and other die hard bitcoiners.?
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Technically speaking, it is impossible to prevent anyone from using Bitcoin unless you succeed in cutting off the Internet completely from their devices for a long time. There is practically no effective way to stop the use of Bitcoin.
On the other hand, some governments are restricting users who can identify them, but this does not stop the wave of adoption. We have seen governments discredit Bitcoin and others warn about it.
The best way to deal with this is for governments to legalize its use and benefit from it, which seems far away due to the stubbornness of the banking sector, which is considered the most affected.
Even if the government goes tight in bitcoin restrictions and sanctions for bitcoin owners, that will not stop people from wanting bitcoin. Just like how they threat illegal gamblers, but still there are a lot of illegal gamblers around betting here and there. Same with bitcoin, they won't be able to control and fight against it, unless if there are sudden internet shutdown, definitely that will stop all bitcoin transactions.
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In my opinion, the worst thing that happened to Bitcoin was imposing KYC on users through exchanges and third-party services. Governments succeeded in putting pressure on these services to impose KYC, thus losing all privacy to users.
By forcing users to verify KYC, Bitcoin loses its most important feature, privacy, and thus governments are able to track users, freeze their accounts, and prosecute them.
The best way to avoid this is to stay away from centralized exchanges and use decentralized exchanges and P2P services.
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It seems that the government is still shy about cooperating with Cryptocurrency and adopting it as a mode of payment that can be legalized. I don't think Investors are fools if they feel cryptocurrencies are unreliable, even with the recent price drop although many people have left the market.
Since the origin of the cryptocurrency government have never supported bitcoin as a legal tender worldwide, instead they stand to be against Bitcoin development, and i believe that the era has passed when government is being causing why Bitcoin is having a downfall in price, the price of Bitcoin currently is not being caused by the government but by the investors who buy and sell of Bitcoin. Bitcoin is reliable it's depends on the investors mindset in Bitcoin price.
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If I were a government member, I would not prevent Bitcoin, and it is also not possible to prevent. Rather, I would make it legal so that the government could collect taxes like the US. We can't control a decentralized ecosystem, so I'm not going to waste my time trying to stop Bitcoin. I'm not sure why my government doesn't understand it, and that's why people trade Bitcoin on the black market. Legalizing Bitcoin would assist the government in generating revenue. But the government is only concerned with maintaining control over everything.
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It will take two computer and an internet connection to still run the node successfully and well we will be left out of no internet or computers when nuclear war happens and almost everything is exploded out of the world. I highly doubt that anything like that could really happen. Considering your factors well we are already living that sort of life alongside governments so I don’t think there is anything much that can be done to destroy the bitcoin. Technically speaking bitcoin is going to stay for very long period of time. It’s modern and it’s spreading like light.
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If I were the government, I would research bitcoin first rather than decide to fight bitcoin. And if I can find out what are the benefits of bitcoin, especially for myself, I will not fight bitcoin instead I will try to spread bitcoin to my friends. Everyone will want to receive something that will benefit them, especially if they can make more money. After all, money can attract curious people, and that is what will be used to get people to accept bitcoins.
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