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hero member
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The solution to resistant mining to current evils (VPS and botnets).. is to have a coin require insane amounts of RAM.. maybe 8-16 gigs just to start with... 32-128 to mine fast

this would put the above to bed.


hook me up if you use this in a coin

This would be VPS Heaven.  How many people do you think have that kind of memory in a desktop or laptop?
I count 5 machines in my room that qualify
legendary
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MY RED TRUST LEFT BY SCUMBAGS - READ MY SIG
make something in it require windows to run if that is possible

if people want to fire up the vps clusters at least it will hopefully cost them a lot more to rape all the coins away.

I'm offended that more people didn't take offence to that statement....what's wrong around here???


Sure there are windows vps nodes you can fire up too, but they cost quite a bit more from what i can see than the linux ones since MS requires license fee's for each instance. Besides if the coins are for the average home user, most people i know use windows on their home machine, shouldn't be a big issue.

All the people raking in the primes were using linux vps instances. If making it windows only won't stop the botnets vps clusters then okay, but if it was something that might deter them then why not release a coin like that and see what happens.

sr. member
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The only way to block botnets from CPU mining a coin would be to implement some physical access lock into the software.  For example a USB thumb drive that contained a signature of some sort.

So it will be closed source then. Red flag.

I don't follow your logic, why would it need to be closed source to implement this?  The idea was that people running botnets or VPS farms don't have physical access to their machines.  So in order to block them from mining a coin you need to implement something that requires physical access.  Like inserting a usb key, with a publicly available signature loaded on to it, into the computer.

edit: ah i see my flaw now, and why you said closed source.  I guess if it was open source someone could just comment out that check and run the coind anyway. hmmm....

edit edit: I still think it's possible actually.  I think you would have to just make the string that the thumb drive delivers part of your algorithm. So it couldn't simply be removed from the code.
legendary
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The only way to block botnets from CPU mining a coin would be to implement some physical access lock into the software.  For example a USB thumb drive that contained a signature of some sort.

So it will be closed source then. Red flag.
sr. member
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The only way to block botnets from CPU mining a coin would be to implement some physical access lock into the software.  For example a USB thumb drive that contained a signature of some sort.
full member
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The solution to resistant mining to current evils (VPS and botnets).. is to have a coin require insane amounts of RAM.. maybe 8-16 gigs just to start with... 32-128 to mine fast

this would put the above to bed.


hook me up if you use this in a coin

This would be VPS Heaven.  How many people do you think have that kind of memory in a desktop or laptop?
sr. member
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make something in it require windows to run if that is possible

if people want to fire up the vps clusters at least it will hopefully cost them a lot more to rape all the coins away.

This is probably the most retarded thing i have read all day.
sr. member
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make something in it require windows to run if that is possible

if people want to fire up the vps clusters at least it will hopefully cost them a lot more to rape all the coins away.

huh? As a linux user i find that statement highly offensive.

As a computer user I find the statement offensive too.

As a windows user I find the statement by going to Start->All Programs->Offensive statements, or by typing in it's name after hitting start.
sr. member
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🔰FERRUM NETWORK🔰
make something in it require windows to run if that is possible

if people want to fire up the vps clusters at least it will hopefully cost them a lot more to rape all the coins away.

huh? As a linux user i find that statement highly offensive.

As a computer user I find the statement offensive too.
I found it highly entertaining. 

In an ideal world, bot nets would be useless for mining coins.  Problem is, you'd have to have something like a captcha that could not be faked.  That way each person would be equal, none of this 'He who has the most cash/bot-net/farm/whatever wins'.

I'm just imagining it now "Congrats, you found a block!  Please enter the following captcha to claim it"    Sorry, you were too slow and were beaten out by a 12 year old!

Wouldn't work. I would just compile a version without the capatcha.
sr. member
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In an ideal world, bot nets would be useless for mining coins.  Problem is, you'd have to have something like a captcha that could not be faked.  That way each person would be equal, none of this 'He who has the most cash/bot-net/farm/whatever wins'.


The bot net would set up a site with naughty pics, for free but surfers must solve a captcha to see them,
then let the surfer solve your captcha. This was a new bot trick in 2007   Roll Eyes

legendary
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make something in it require windows to run if that is possible

if people want to fire up the vps clusters at least it will hopefully cost them a lot more to rape all the coins away.

That deserves a generous *facepalm*.

LOL  Cheesy
legendary
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make something in it require windows to run if that is possible

if people want to fire up the vps clusters at least it will hopefully cost them a lot more to rape all the coins away.

huh? As a linux user i find that statement highly offensive.

As a computer user I find the statement offensive too.

as an internet user I lol'd that you guys found dribble on the internet you found offensive  Roll Eyes
legendary
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PHS 50% PoS - Stop mining start minting
The solution to resistant mining to current evils (VPS and botnets).. is to have a coin require insane amounts of RAM.. maybe 8-16 gigs just to start with... 32-128 to mine fast

this would put the above to bed.


hook me up if you use this in a coin
full member
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In POS we trust
I would use a combination of bcrypt (uses lots of memory operations) and sha512 or keccak512 (64bit arithmetic).
hero member
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‘Try to be nice’
If you were to write a cpu only currency ....

I would pay someone to write a gpu miner for it .  Or anything else.

Because it would be rare enough to justify it .
legendary
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...How would you do it?


This might be interesting -
http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/15373/hashing-algorithms-on-gpu-32-bit-vs-64-bit

So, lots of 64 bit operations. As mentioned already, memory intensive. I've seen mentioned elsewhere that GPUs are not so good at conditional branching. So lots of that too.
sr. member
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make something in it require windows to run if that is possible

if people want to fire up the vps clusters at least it will hopefully cost them a lot more to rape all the coins away.
Clearly, there's no Windows VPS clusters.
My thoughts exactly.
full member
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make something in it require windows to run if that is possible

if people want to fire up the vps clusters at least it will hopefully cost them a lot more to rape all the coins away.
Clearly, there's no Windows VPS clusters.
hero member
Activity: 532
Merit: 500
make something in it require windows to run if that is possible

if people want to fire up the vps clusters at least it will hopefully cost them a lot more to rape all the coins away.

huh? As a linux user i find that statement highly offensive.

As a computer user I find the statement offensive too.
I found it highly entertaining. 

In an ideal world, bot nets would be useless for mining coins.  Problem is, you'd have to have something like a captcha that could not be faked.  That way each person would be equal, none of this 'He who has the most cash/bot-net/farm/whatever wins'.

I'm just imagining it now "Congrats, you found a block!  Please enter the following captcha to claim it"    Sorry, you were too slow and were beaten out by a 12 year old!
full member
Activity: 140
Merit: 100
make something in it require windows to run if that is possible

if people want to fire up the vps clusters at least it will hopefully cost them a lot more to rape all the coins away.

huh? As a linux user i find that statement highly offensive.

As a computer user I find the statement offensive too.
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