so you want us to build a working perpetual motion machine for $65?
Nah. Just a motor with a small battery in it. 
Topic: I'll Pay 5 BTC to Anyone that can build the following. (Read 3554 times)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJv58SXx2V8&playnext=1&list=PL78263ACF873C1DBA&feature=results_video
To anyone that can build this, assemble it, use magnets I am offering 5 BTC + 1 BTC for shipping.
If your up for making quick bucks here it is
Don't be afraid to offer your rates, for building it,
I will consider all offers.
It has to run almost exactly like it does in the video, and flawlessly, and almost identical in design.
Its at about 2:01 into the video. Watch the entire video to understand the process of it.
Best regards
Lightlord
so you want us to build a working perpetual motion machine for $65? To anyone that can build this, assemble it, use magnets I am offering 5 BTC + 1 BTC for shipping.
If your up for making quick bucks here it is
Don't be afraid to offer your rates, for building it,
I will consider all offers.
It has to run almost exactly like it does in the video, and flawlessly, and almost identical in design.
Its at about 2:01 into the video. Watch the entire video to understand the process of it.
Best regards
Lightlord
About the Universe part of this thread:
The universe is expanding at an increasing rate, which you can measure, hence the speculation on dark energy. To compare the universe with a thermal closed system is nonsense as faster than light expansion makes any kind of energy equilibrium impossible even if you include relativity and time.
Roger Penrose have tried this and proved that for such a system to be completely enclosed not a single particle from the old universe, can survive if the entropy has to be reset to a new low state which would be needed if the universe is a perpetual machine. You might get local resets in totally empty parts of an old universe (several thousand times older than ours), but the energy to start out with will be less than the previous and so not perpetual.
The universe is expanding at an increasing rate, which you can measure, hence the speculation on dark energy. To compare the universe with a thermal closed system is nonsense as faster than light expansion makes any kind of energy equilibrium impossible even if you include relativity and time.
Roger Penrose have tried this and proved that for such a system to be completely enclosed not a single particle from the old universe, can survive if the entropy has to be reset to a new low state which would be needed if the universe is a perpetual machine. You might get local resets in totally empty parts of an old universe (several thousand times older than ours), but the energy to start out with will be less than the previous and so not perpetual.
I MADE 22 OF THESE AND HOOKED THEM TOGETHER AND NOW IM STARTING MY OWN POWER COMPANY."I'M RICH BITCH" THANKS MAN.I CAN FINALY SEND MY KID TO A COLLEGE O HE CAN LEARN TO SPELL GOOD LIKE ME CAN DO..
Thanks for introducing me to this concept OP, I will make more soon.
Thanks for introducing me to this concept OP, I will make more soon.
Take a look:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlVDTA3-qUs
Amazing =)
I thought about a magnetic engine in the past but never tried to make an machine like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlVDTA3-qUs
Amazing =)
I thought about a magnetic engine in the past but never tried to make an machine like this.
This thread was a very interesting read.
I was hunting around the marketplace... looking at whats available... and I stumbled upon a philosophical hodge-podge of ideas.
Lots of interesting claims that lead to very intriguing thoughts.
"the big bang is 100% efficient" Very interesting indeed. The concept of this idea could mean i suppose that the universe would then expand on out forever... (whatever forever is)
and I suppose this would make relativistic sense ... being that m=e/c^2.....
"the universe is infinite" thats another interesting claim.... I suppose if you give it some thought these 2 ideas could go together.
But what i find most interesting.... is that neither of these points could adequitly be proven... asking for proof even is almost tantamount nonsense... as to say that the big bang is not 100% efficient.... and that the universe is finite... are equally unprovable...
as a final note...
really?!??! only 5btc for perpetual motion
+ 1 btc shipping?
I was hunting around the marketplace... looking at whats available... and I stumbled upon a philosophical hodge-podge of ideas.
Lots of interesting claims that lead to very intriguing thoughts.
"the big bang is 100% efficient" Very interesting indeed. The concept of this idea could mean i suppose that the universe would then expand on out forever... (whatever forever is)
and I suppose this would make relativistic sense ... being that m=e/c^2.....
"the universe is infinite" thats another interesting claim.... I suppose if you give it some thought these 2 ideas could go together.
But what i find most interesting.... is that neither of these points could adequitly be proven... asking for proof even is almost tantamount nonsense... as to say that the big bang is not 100% efficient.... and that the universe is finite... are equally unprovable...
as a final note...
really?!??! only 5btc for perpetual motion
+ 1 btc shipping?Very true, the universe as a whole is way beyond our comprehension and those are just speculation based on the little we know through observation. We don't really understand gravity or magnetism yet so it could be some time before we get the whole universe figured out. Joel made a thought provoking comment on it though:
....If the big bang is a perpetual motion, then everything is, even a single photon.
If the universe is all there is and nothing gets in or out then the cycle should go on forever and so would be perpetual motion. As far as I know the expansion of the universe is measurably slowing which fits in with gravitational theory, eventually it should all pull its self back to the center for another all mighty great bang.
until they discovered dark matter, and some believe that the universe is actually expanding faster, and faster...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerating_universe
really?!??! only 5btc for perpetual motion
+ 1 btc shipping?$13.45X6=$80.7
magnets should cost about $30.
That's about $50.7 In total.
Its a little machine, its not something fancy.
Though I seen the pictures, it seems it only works on air compressor.
And it was just a trick shot.
I just had a tought about the machine on the video.
What if the energy required to move up the magnet was the same that is freed when the things rotate?
(I explained myself badly but maybe you got it)
What if the energy required to move up the magnet was the same that is freed when the things rotate?
(I explained myself badly but maybe you got it)
This thread was a very interesting read.
I was hunting around the marketplace... looking at whats available... and I stumbled upon a philosophical hodge-podge of ideas.
Lots of interesting claims that lead to very intriguing thoughts.
"the big bang is 100% efficient" Very interesting indeed. The concept of this idea could mean i suppose that the universe would then expand on out forever... (whatever forever is)
and I suppose this would make relativistic sense ... being that m=e/c^2.....
"the universe is infinite" thats another interesting claim.... I suppose if you give it some thought these 2 ideas could go together.
But what i find most interesting.... is that neither of these points could adequitly be proven... asking for proof even is almost tantamount nonsense... as to say that the big bang is not 100% efficient.... and that the universe is finite... are equally unprovable...
as a final note...
really?!??! only 5btc for perpetual motion + 1 btc shipping?
I was hunting around the marketplace... looking at whats available... and I stumbled upon a philosophical hodge-podge of ideas.
Lots of interesting claims that lead to very intriguing thoughts.
"the big bang is 100% efficient" Very interesting indeed. The concept of this idea could mean i suppose that the universe would then expand on out forever... (whatever forever is)
and I suppose this would make relativistic sense ... being that m=e/c^2.....
"the universe is infinite" thats another interesting claim.... I suppose if you give it some thought these 2 ideas could go together.
But what i find most interesting.... is that neither of these points could adequitly be proven... asking for proof even is almost tantamount nonsense... as to say that the big bang is not 100% efficient.... and that the universe is finite... are equally unprovable...
as a final note...
really?!??! only 5btc for perpetual motion
+ 1 btc shipping?I think there's a train that works this way. In Switzerland.
There are active Maglev train test tracks all over the world and maglev trains servicing customers in Japan, China and South Korea already.
This has nothing to do with perpetual energy however.
I think there's a train that works this way. In Switzerland.
....
Interesting way of seeing it, think I will stick around and listen without trolling too much.
The big bang isn't perpetual motion it's just 100% efficient.
More nonsense or do you want to prove that?
Proving it would be kind of tricky because we don't exactly know much about what's out there but the generally accepted view is that the expansion of the universe is slowing and at some stage will contract and eventually the cycle will begin again. The universe is (we think) all there is, therefore nothing can get out because there is no "out", energy cannot be created or destroyed so all the energy stays in the universe.
I'm not saying it's perpetual motion. I'm also not saying it's 100% efficient. I'm saying that if you say it's 100% efficient, that's a bold statement and I would love to know how you came to that conclusion. My point being, words are cheap. Saying it doesn't make it a fact.
That is quite false conclusion, and coming from you I don't know what to think because I started to respect the things you say on the forum lately. The answer to these perpetual moving machines is simple oscillators that get their impulse energy at resonance. The part you didn't get right is a known property of physics called inertia which is responsible for making them work. They are very real and simple to build, but tricky and require the builder attention at all details.
The argument I made explains precisely why these machines can't work. Whatever state they're in, whether resonant or not, can be assigned a number based on the minimum energy required to assemble the machine into that state. And no known law of motion, energy, inertia, or resonance allows a transition to a higher-numbered state or to a state with an equal number while withdrawing energy. It really is that simple.You build you argument quite well but fail based on preconceived assumptions. I don't get very well your number and state terms
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but I can tell you the energy required to keep a resonant machine going is a few orders of magnitude smaller than the one present in the system and available for conversion at any time.
Absolutely. The same is true of a book on a shelf. Almost no energy is required to keep the book on the shelf. But if you knock it off the shelf, you can extract that energy at any time. However, this lowers the book, changing the machine to a state with a lower energy.Quote
Note the energy produced is not available for work right away, but to be transformed or converted to another state. I would love to involve in a debate on this issue but from my experience is only a loss of time and resources for something that will finally come out like a second nature for any individual, and then be accepted by the mainstream "science" people.
Nobody said machines can't store a fixed amount of energy that you can then withdraw.That is quite false conclusion, and coming from you I don't know what to think because I started to respect the things you say on the forum lately. The answer to these perpetual moving machines is simple oscillators that get their impulse energy at resonance. The part you didn't get right is a known property of physics called inertia which is responsible for making them work. They are very real and simple to build, but tricky and require the builder attention at all details.
The argument I made explains precisely why these machines can't work. Whatever state they're in, whether resonant or not, can be assigned a number based on the minimum energy required to assemble the machine into that state. And no known law of motion, energy, inertia, or resonance allows a transition to a higher-numbered state or to a state with an equal number while withdrawing energy. It really is that simple.You build you argument quite well but fail based on preconceived assumptions. I don't get very well your number and state terms but I can tell you the energy required to keep a resonant machine going is a few orders of magnitude smaller than the one present in the system and available for conversion at any time. Note the energy produced is not available for work right away, but to be transformed or converted to another state. I would love to involve in a debate on this issue but from my experience is only a loss of time and resources for something that will finally come out like a second nature for any individual, and then be accepted by the mainstream "science" people.
As stated before in an environment that causes no frictions (Vacuum, no gravity, perfect mechanics - which don't exist) it should theoretically be possible to construct such a machine that once set in motion keeps spinning at a constant rate for eternity. But as soon as you start to remove energy from the system (generator) it would start to slow down and eventually stop.
Correct. While we know of no practical way to build such a device, it doesn't really violate any known laws.The problem is that friction isn't the only cause of energy loss. Radiation occurs in anything with heat, and anything without heat is by definition devoid of energy.
We permit the machine to operate at a fixed temperature, exchanging equal amounts of radiation (or any other kind of energy for that matter) with the environment provided it doesn't require or exploit any special organization of that energy.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crookes_radiometer
That's cheating.
The big bang isn't perpetual motion it's just 100% efficient.
More nonsense or do you want to prove that?
That is quite false conclusion, and coming from you I don't know what to think because I started to respect the things you say on the forum lately. The answer to these perpetual moving machines is simple oscillators that get their impulse energy at resonance. The part you didn't get right is a known property of physics called inertia which is responsible for making them work. They are very real and simple to build, but tricky and require the builder attention at all details.
The argument I made explains precisely why these machines can't work. Whatever state they're in, whether resonant or not, can be assigned a number based on the minimum energy required to assemble the machine into that state. And no known law of motion, energy, inertia, or resonance allows a transition to a higher-numbered state or to a state with an equal number while withdrawing energy. It really is that simple.As stated before in an environment that causes no frictions (Vacuum, no gravity, perfect mechanics - which don't exist) it should theoretically be possible to construct such a machine that once set in motion keeps spinning at a constant rate for eternity. But as soon as you start to remove energy from the system (generator) it would start to slow down and eventually stop.
That is quite false conclusion, and coming from you I don't know what to think because I started to respect the things you say on the forum lately. The answer to these perpetual moving machines is simple oscillators that get their impulse energy at resonance. The part you didn't get right is a known property of physics called inertia which is responsible for making them work. They are very real and simple to build, but tricky and require the builder attention at all details.
The argument I made explains precisely why these machines can't work. Whatever state they're in, whether resonant or not, can be assigned a number based on the minimum energy required to assemble the machine into that state. And no known law of motion, energy, inertia, or resonance allows a transition to a higher-numbered state or to a state with an equal number while withdrawing energy. It really is that simple.As stated before in an environment that causes no frictions (Vacuum, no gravity, perfect mechanics - which don't exist) it should theoretically be possible to construct such a machine that once set in motion keeps spinning at a constant rate for eternity. But as soon as you start to remove energy from the system (generator) it would start to slow down and eventually stop.
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