Illegal "UN" helicopter shot down in Slavyansk.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 07, 2014, 09:38:34 PM

Quote from: niothor on June 07, 2014, 02:44:19 PM

So , another failure of the rt propaganda?

The first sighting of the helicopter with UN label was made not only by the Russian journalists. The Italian and German journalists who were present at that time in Donetsk also reported the same.

And the other syrian helicopter , was it also reported by Italian journalists?

Besides , just because somebody else is wrong , that doesn't make you any better.

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Quote from: niothor on June 07, 2014, 02:44:19 PM

So , another failure of the rt propaganda?

The first sighting of the helicopter with UN label was made not only by the Russian journalists. The Italian and German journalists who were present at that time in Donetsk also reported the same.

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Quote from: 247crypto on June 07, 2014, 04:56:36 PM

Quote from: niothor on June 07, 2014, 02:44:19 PM

So , another failure of the rt propaganda?

Buy a camera and go to Slavyansk to produce some footage.

To be imprisoned by democratic "government"? You know about Turchinov's freedom of press implementation. "You are free to publish anything, but only if we like your stuff" Cheesy

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Quote from: niothor on June 07, 2014, 02:44:19 PM

So , another failure of the rt propaganda?

Buy a camera and go to Slavyansk to produce some footage.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 03, 2014, 09:34:46 AM

Quote from: niothor on June 03, 2014, 08:48:32 AM

Nothing because based on the pics it's not an UN helicopter that was shot down

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But it is clear that the Ukrainian authorities had earlier used a helicopter painted as UN, to bomb the residential areas of Donbass. The pictures of the helicopter were widely circulated in the social media.

http://un1.tv/breaking-news/russian-media-report-a-fake.html

So , another failure of the rt propaganda?

According to the Russian propganda :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16quBm5mgKU

According to syrrian propaganda:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGWey4ACjFg

Do we have a time place warp effect here?

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 03, 2014, 10:44:55 PM

Quote from: niothor on June 03, 2014, 01:51:40 PM

Un monitors have been deployed on march 14th.

The UN says that there are no monitors there, and there are no media reports about them either. Could you provide some links to prove your claims? I still doubt whether they will be stationed in front-line cities such as Slavyansk.

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=47809#.U5Ba0fnV8vw

Following the release of the report produced by her 34-member monitoring team in Ukraine, UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay called on “those with influence on the armed groups responsible for much of the violence in eastern Ukraine to do their utmost to rein in these men who seem bent on tearing the country apart.”

Funny how no longer than two weeks ago you were criticizing the same report as being biased

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http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/Countries/UA/HRMMUReport15May2014.pdf

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Didn't they use this same trick on Saddam? In fact it is a commonly known ploy to insert international forces with or without local consent. (btw just because I used the word saddam doesn't mean I support him either)

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Quote from: niothor on June 03, 2014, 01:51:40 PM

Un monitors have been deployed on march 14th.

The UN says that there are no monitors there, and there are no media reports about them either. Could you provide some links to prove your claims? I still doubt whether they will be stationed in front-line cities such as Slavyansk.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 03, 2014, 11:03:06 AM

Quote from: niothor on June 03, 2014, 10:05:48 AM

It doesn't have to be peacekeepers but just UN monitors like those for human rights. And they were deployed in Ukraine for over a month.

On 30th May, Ban Ki Moon stated that there are no UN monitors in Eastern Ukraine. He said that right now the only international monitors present in the Eastern Ukraine are from the OSCE. As far as I know, OSCE personnel doesn't use UN transportation.

Un monitors have been deployed on march 14th.

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The United Nations is deploying a human rights monitoring team throughout Ukraine to help establish the facts surrounding human rights violations, including in Crimea, and de-escalate tensions in the country.

They have never been withdrawn from the country.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 03, 2014, 07:01:55 AM

This helicopter landed for evacuate troops from "UN" helicopter.
Still no picture about white "UN" helicopter.

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Quote from: Mr Tea on June 03, 2014, 11:56:44 AM

The helicopter was illegal or shooting it down was illegal?

We are trying to confirm this. So far, according to the reports which I have got, this is my assumption.

1. The Ukrainian Army some how got hold of an abandoned UN chopper (probably a helicopter leased from the Ukrainian Army by the UN earlier).
2. They used this chopper (without any modification or painting) to bomb the civilian areas.
3. The Donetsk People's Army downed the chopper with MANPADS.

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The helicopter was illegal or shooting it down was illegal?

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Quote from: niothor on June 03, 2014, 10:05:48 AM

It doesn't have to be peacekeepers but just UN monitors like those for human rights. And they were deployed in Ukraine for over a month.

On 30th May, Ban Ki Moon stated that there are no UN monitors in Eastern Ukraine. He said that right now the only international monitors present in the Eastern Ukraine are from the OSCE. As far as I know, OSCE personnel doesn't use UN transportation.

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An interesting reading here:
http://www.beaconreader.com/matthew-russell-lee/as-ukraine-uses-un-helicopters-un-stonewalls-as-it-did-on-weapons-in-south-sudan

Why not deny it outright?

Here's the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_g5TKSb8AI

I don't know... There is not really much contextual info to go by. Some say it's from Congo from two years back.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 03, 2014, 09:50:29 AM

Quote from: niothor on June 03, 2014, 09:45:03 AM

The UN could come out and say that the helicopter was on a normal patrol or carrying god knows what.
It could be the thing they waited for to deploy troops in the region.

UN never conducts helicopter missions without announcing them to the media sources. And in this case, there are no United Nations peacekeepers stationed anywhere in Ukraine.

It doesn't have to be peacekeepers but just UN monitors like those for human rights. And they were deployed in Ukraine for over a month.

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Moreover UN officially stated their concern when those pictures were first published, distancing themselves from the deployment of that chopper.

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Quote from: niothor on June 03, 2014, 09:45:03 AM

The UN could come out and say that the helicopter was on a normal patrol or carrying god knows what.
It could be the thing they waited for to deploy troops in the region.

UN never conducts helicopter missions without announcing them to the media sources. And in this case, there are no United Nations peacekeepers stationed anywhere in Ukraine.

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Quote from: RodeoX on June 03, 2014, 09:40:35 AM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 03, 2014, 09:34:46 AM

But it is clear that the Ukrainian authorities had earlier used a helicopter painted as UN, to bomb the residential areas of Donbass. The pictures of the helicopter were widely circulated in the social media.

If that turns out to be true it will be a big deal. That is a clear violation of international law. If it just turns out that the rebels shot down a random UN heli, that would also be a violation. It's getting confused over there. A sure sign that the war is beginning. In a few years it will all be tears and regret on both sides.

Indeed , never though of this one.
The UN could come out and say that the helicopter was on a normal patrol or carrying god knows what.

It could be the thing they waited for to deploy troops in the region.

Remember that plane in Libya that started all?

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 03, 2014, 09:34:46 AM

But it is clear that the Ukrainian authorities had earlier used a helicopter painted as UN, to bomb the residential areas of Donbass. The pictures of the helicopter were widely circulated in the social media.

If that turns out to be true it will be a big deal. That is a clear violation of international law. If it just turns out that the rebels shot down a random UN heli, that would also be a violation. It's getting confused over there. A sure sign that the war is beginning. In a few years it will all be tears and regret on both sides.

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Quote from: niothor on June 03, 2014, 08:48:32 AM

Nothing because based on the pics it's not an UN helicopter that was shot down

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But it is clear that the Ukrainian authorities had earlier used a helicopter painted as UN, to bomb the residential areas of Donbass. The pictures of the helicopter were widely circulated in the social media.

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