Topic: I'm a Russian Occupant [ENG Subtitles] - page 2. (Read 3544 times)

For the hundreds time: not Russian, but Soviet. Not Red Army, but Soviet Army. I feel very much compelled to revive a history sub-topic that I let slip on the Donetsk thread.

Second. Soviet Union pulled its military presence (after rebuilding much of Poland after WWII). USA never did so with West-Germany. In fact as soon USSR moved out of Poland USA moved in. Oh, the irony.

But for a start, for the general historical education, please read the following article:
http://stanislavs.org/the-sorrow-of-a-warsaw-woman-why-poland-is-not-happy-to-be-liberated-from-fascism/

In 1945-1948 Soviet Union was busy rebuilding Poland, sending there engineers, machinery, manpower. Soviet Union itself was still struggling with the aftermath of WWII by the end of 1950s, but all the "brotherly" countries of the Eastern Block were by that time rebuilt and in good shape.
I understand that it's not politically correct to say anything positive about Soviet Union in Poland and that history books are being busily rewritten to suite the demands of the new masters...

Don't you worry about my math.
Red Army group, that stationed in Poland for almost 50 years, consisted of 53000 troops and 7500 civilian workers. They had their whole families living here (over 40000).
The withdrawal in the 90s was negotiated and imagine that Russians had their own demands. They wouldn't simply leave, they wanted to leave small bases on Polish soil, most likely to spy, but after all it did not happen.
Russians can call it what they like and use euphemisms, but it was an occupation. Red army guaranteed that the power will stay in the hands of the communist party and the number of protests and strikes proved they needed help. In the years 1945-48 Russians had to face over 1000 anti communist protests in Poland. Nobody here wanted them, yet they stayed for years and years like parasites.

I know. here is why. you know reddit is toxic (censored), by going there providing your energy, you support and maintain a toxic structure. Do you want to build a toxic structure, furthermore that you don't control? meaning that even if you waste your energy in this toxic structure it can be taken at the whimp of one of the overlord? nooo. would be a bad choice in my opinion. How do you justify the contrary?

I was trying to point out the opposite...

if a part is flawed you throw it away when this part doesn't compose the all. the seed and the tree. you can cut a branch (if you don't sit on it) but can't cut a seed. Reedit (as censored object) is the seed.

Parts of Reddit are dead for me as well... But I haven't lost faith completely yet. I'm mad at the moderation of certain subreddits, the admins are pretty cool though. They protect small and controversial communities. I posted this link to show that not everyone gets the message from this video well. /r/europe is far from being dominated by Americans like most of Reddit is. Yet we see most of the Europeans in there agreeing that this video is vicious propaganda.

Over 50 years of Russian occupation? I'm afraid that you may have to attend your mathematics class again, buddy.

No they aren't. It's not that easy to recover from over 50 years of Russian occupation. For example in my country the government was for many years manipulated by Russian puppets. Moscow's finest, who had prominent positions in the institutions and were put in places after the reds "liberated" us from the Germans. I'd also like to remind you that Russian army left Poland in 1993, so the occupation was very much real.
You should've seen the shit they left behind them. They were like animals compared to the western soldiers.

the hive of the censors, where all discourse is banned, the dream land? if your propaganda is too weak to have to censor those of others it means that you are too deviant from reality. you can't change reality, neither radiation, nor dna contamination... what ever you say. I will not even waste a second on this site, trusting the value reporting of the others users of this forum who illustrated this point about the false scientific take over of the weather science...

however please copy and paste here the comments you find interesting. Reddit is dead for me.

Propaganda at it's best. Relevant discussion at /r/europe

https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/2xcfmh/yes_i_am_a_russian_occupant_antiwest_propaganda/

for girls extraction yes. the design depends on the aim. when you know the designers desires, you know his aim, the design he uses. 101. toasted.

Realpolitik.


Should we understand that nowadays all those former communist countries of the Eastern Block are prospering?

because it's their drill... learn what is in the book to reshit what is in the book, if they do that good they get point from a man too stupid (the teacher) to know that all what he already learned himself has been framed by people so much smarter than him and his students that they can't even grasp such level of intelligence, and will safely call it a conspiracy theory that it could be so. Good for them, they feel safer. WS.

More men in jail for drugs = more daughters, gf, wife available for the sex state, let's face it, it's monkey way, create fear, usurp authority, exploits. No way to manage an Army, Russian Size. Furthermore if you look they focus on past and long gone Russia, maybe they should speak about what happen 1000 ad.

Why? Looking forward, toward a peacefull, prosperous, harmonious and stable Russia would mean what for their little project of exploitation worldwide? bad. Happily in Russia there is a certain experiences on the way to manage Military Affairs, it was evidently too costly, but quite a grinder...

America needs to apply the "shock doctrine" on it's on soil, even if the lead was Hillary, it's just a nice little pretapping roofing style... MMMOOOOAARRR WS LOVES BLOOD. And so I as everyone in WS was told that you can just pay a bitch and get her do what you want, including destroying the food supply of the nation !?! what the fuck? Do you really believe to be able to plan anything but raids from there? LLLoooLLL idealists don't understand the street.

And the street doesn't care. IN GOD WE TRUST.

Nice propaganda. They did not forget to mention that short period in which they were attack by Poland and how they defeated Hitler, but forgot they pacted with hitler to attack Poland and actually started the war fighting alongside Germany. That Stalin was one of the biggest sociopaths and mass murderers the world has seen and that under the rule of their precious communism countries of the Eastern Bloc fell into poverty.

I mentioned this to remind everyone so that it wouldn't end up in a discussion that I described.

I did. There's a museum in my country in which some files that the soviets didn't take with them when they felt that USSR was ending remain. I saw the photocopied files.

Guess they were either smart to keep their mouths shut or lucky enough not to have been friends with KGB agents. However, many weren't so lucky.

Might be. USSR was an enemy of the US - it would be more than logocal for them to sponsor those that oppose it. I'm not saying the US is a completely innocent, I'm saying that USSR was ruled by a totalitarian regime that disproved freedom of speech and thought.

Sadly, I have relatives and close friends of those relatives that would say different. Some were more fortunate and were just interrogated and let go, others got to experience the conditions that "wasn't royal". They just used different words to describe that. Regarding the statistics, I base my opinions on what most of the world has agreed upon. Not sure what kind of statistics you base yours.

I'm not talking nor was I talking about Russia's current government. I was talking about USSR.

Why did you write this? No one here discusses "the issues with the US government" in isolation. Your remark is actually more off-topic here than the part it refers to.

How do you know? Did you saw their probable causes? Did you saw the files of prisoners? Who tell you that?

And one more thing. You can believe it or you can ignore it. I do not care. I live in Russia and no one from my big family (mom's parents have like gazillion kids, brothers and sisters and father's too) no one was sitting in the prison or camp. In fact, my great-grandad was a kulak (people like to tell that Stalin arrested all kulaks), my grandad was religious man and had a bad thoughts about Jospeh Vessarionovich. And they say that they didn't heard anything about Gulags or Camps until the 90s and so-called freedom of speech. I think that is the best example of how "Bad-bad Stalin surpression".

Funny fact, but the largest anti-soviet liar (Alexandr Solzhenitcyn) was sponsored by USA and printed in... YMCA. Great, right? Tell me more about financed propaganda =)

You can base on facts when you really saw them. You can base on facts, when you have a right statistics. You can base on facts, when you was in the same situation. I mean that of course there were camps and gulags in USSR. Of course there were a people inside and I can agree that sometimes conditions wasn't royal (like in US correctional facilities lol). But it wasn't as big as you may think. And it wasn't so bloody. Nobody will arrest you just because you think different. People were arrested because of money, power and law-crossing. That's what I believe.
 
That is what I'm talking about! I agree with you and with your opinion about strong hand. I'm just sick of people who call Russia's strong hand as totalitarian gulag system.

I do agree that the US has problems with their police facilities, as in mainly solving issues with brutality. However, that's what elections, protests and demonstrations are for, to remind the government that you are still in charge. US has to be careful in maintaining order due to the amount of cultures, religions and customs clashing with one another.

If the control was lax, the society would fracture into either religious, political or national groups ruling over regions where there are most inhabitants fitting their selected ideology. However, let's keep the discussion on-topic and discuss the issues with the US government in a thread meant for said discussion

The USA is a police state. But not in the sense of a form of government which "exercises power arbitrarily through the police" (though this is debatable per se). It is a police state since without strong law enforcement agencies ready to open fire without a second thought there would soon be chaos and anarchy in the streets of this state. We see this happening everywhere whenever there is no more "strong hand" controlling general public. New Orleans as the most obvious example in real life and The Purge in fiction.