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Topic: I'm From The Government And I'm Here To Help You!: New York To Control Bitcoin (Read 4076 times)

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https://youtu.be/PZm8TTLR2NU

There is no possible endgame that involves the survival of fiat. It's already dead, the world just hasn't realized it .

But what do we do in meantime , before our coins appreciate exponentially , to make sure we feel like we are wealthy and winning ?   Grin
You do nothing. You wait for this equation to play itself out.



This is the same instruction I gave to friends and family when Bitcoin was $100. Few of them listened.
sr. member
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I`m from the Government And I`m Here To Help You Shocked

LostDutchman, can I have your 0.02 in BTC Grin

Uh, no; conversion costs would be too high for such small amounts.

My $.02.

Wink

ok I`ll take your 1.00BTC

LOL!

Nice try!

My $.02.

Wink
hero member
Activity: 577
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I`m from the Government And I`m Here To Help You Shocked

LostDutchman, can I have your 0.02 in BTC Grin

Uh, no; conversion costs would be too high for such small amounts.

My $.02.

Wink

ok I`ll take your 1.00BTC
sr. member
Activity: 476
Merit: 250
I`m from the Government And I`m Here To Help You Shocked

LostDutchman, can I have your 0.02 in BTC Grin

Uh, no; conversion costs would be too high for such small amounts.

My $.02.

Wink
hero member
Activity: 577
Merit: 500
I`m from the Government And I`m Here To Help You Shocked

LostDutchman, can I have your 0.02 in BTC Grin
legendary
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The IRS can't even keep up with 1099 income - I should know  Wink - yet they really believe they can track the entire blockchain of bitcoin to individual identities? Plus all the blockchains of all the other cryptocoins??

That takes some serious delusion.

It is not the blockchains they are tracking it is the exchanges.......................

My $.02.

Wink

Does that include all the ATMs? ..and quit with the $.02

ATM transacations are tracked but you can disguise your transactions using corporations, etc.

My $.02.

Wink

As long as I use a bitcoin atm that doesn't require any personal info than nothing can be tracked. Disguise with a corporation? Please explain.
legendary
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Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political

There is no possible endgame that involves the survival of fiat. It's already dead, the world just hasn't realized it .

But what do we do in meantime , before our coins appreciate exponentially , to make sure we feel like we are wealthy and winning ?   Grin
sr. member
Activity: 476
Merit: 250
The IRS can't even keep up with 1099 income - I should know  Wink - yet they really believe they can track the entire blockchain of bitcoin to individual identities? Plus all the blockchains of all the other cryptocoins??

That takes some serious delusion.

It is not the blockchains they are tracking it is the exchanges.......................

My $.02.

Wink

Does that include all the ATMs? ..and quit with the $.02

ATM transacations are tracked but you can disguise your transactions using corporations, etc.

My $.02.

Wink
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Great title:
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The nine most terrifying words in the English language are:
I'm From The Government And I'm Here To Help

Yes, indeed!   Government folks have no real stake in the outcome as those who would ultimately be harmed by the regulation -- and are BAD decisionmakers.

 "Modernity has replaced ethics with legalese, and the law can be gamed with a good lawyer. "
 
"We are witnessing the rise of a new class of inverse heros, that is bureaucrats,
bankers, davos, attending members of the IAND, ..., and academics with too much
power and no real downside or accountability, they game the system: while citizens
pay the price.   At no point in history,  have so many non-risk-takers, that is, those
with no personal exposure, exerted so much control."
        ~~~ Nassim Nicholas Taleb, "Antifragile" [on Accepting Uncertainty and Embracing Volatility.]
legendary
Activity: 1120
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The IRS can't even keep up with 1099 income - I should know  Wink - yet they really believe they can track the entire blockchain of bitcoin to individual identities? Plus all the blockchains of all the other cryptocoins??

That takes some serious delusion.

It is not the blockchains they are tracking it is the exchanges.......................

My $.02.

Wink

Does that include all the ATMs? ..and quit with the $.02
hero member
Activity: 784
Merit: 1000
https://youtu.be/PZm8TTLR2NU
I'm From The Government And your money is Mine.
Sure it is, just as soon as you invent the technology to hack my brain.
sr. member
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I'm From The Government And your money is Mine.
sr. member
Activity: 476
Merit: 250
The IRS can't even keep up with 1099 income - I should know  Wink - yet they really believe they can track the entire blockchain of bitcoin to individual identities? Plus all the blockchains of all the other cryptocoins??

That takes some serious delusion.

It is not the blockchains they are tracking it is the exchanges.......................

My $.02.

Wink
legendary
Activity: 1120
Merit: 1003
The IRS can't even keep up with 1099 income - I should know  Wink - yet they really believe they can track the entire blockchain of bitcoin to individual identities? Plus all the blockchains of all the other cryptocoins??

That takes some serious delusion.
sr. member
Activity: 476
Merit: 250
MtGox was a regulated exchange - they were forced to ask for ID.

Regulated exchanges are just government honeypots - derp.
This.

This is all about power and control, people. They want to know who we are, and how much money we have. So they can take it.

You are 100% spot on!

There are ways however to minimise government intrusion.  Corporations, both domestic and offshore, methods of payment of conversions which are legal but don't realy show up as payments for conversion, etc.

My $.02.

Wink
hero member
Activity: 784
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https://youtu.be/PZm8TTLR2NU
MtGox was a regulated exchange - they were forced to ask for ID.

Regulated exchanges are just government honeypots - derp.
This.

This is all about power and control, people. They want to know who we are, and how much money we have. So they can take it.
legendary
Activity: 1120
Merit: 1003
MtGox was a regulated exchange - they were forced to ask for ID.

Regulated exchanges are just government honeypots - derp.
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I think its good news. NYC cannot control the btc protocol, but it should be a good thing to have controlled exchanges.
So people have a choice. Trade person to person or trade by a controlled exchange. Especially when you want to trade a big amount of btc to buy a house or a nice speedboat or so. Its safer to do that at a kind of post office, secured and controlled.

Other good point: at least NYC accept the btc as a currency. That's good.

It could be good, but there's three big points you're missing. 

The first is the users of BTC.  As of now, it's pretty much 3 groups:
1. Libertarians / people who want a non-government currency.  To them, this could be a downside.  They'll see BTC flowing through US regulated exchanges as a down side, and many will simply go back to dollars, as they'll take the convenient system vs. the inconvenient system if both are regulated.  Not to mention that regulation = people will pay taxes on earnings.
2. People trying to get rich.  To them, it will initially be a good side, as the chance of a Mt. Gox will drastically decrease.  However, taxation may keep some people out of the regulated exchanges.
3. People using BTC for illegal purposes.  These people will likely be forced to continue to use 3rd party exchanges that are not protected.
Basically, 2 of the 3 groups of users (though, likely the two smaller groups), will not be pleased by this.

The second issue is that there will still be a need for non-regulated markets.  Many BTC users are not going to go through regulated exchanges, so there will necessarily be the need for unregulated exchanges.  However, as normal BTC users will prefer to trade on regulated exchanges, there will be a price gap between the two exchanges (with the non-regulated exchanges buying and selling below the ask/bid of the regulated exchanges).  This will cause one of the two to happen:
1. There will be plenty of investors willing to take on arbitrage risk between the two exchanges (i.e. buying lower at an unregulated exchange and selling higher on the regulated one), and the price difference between the exchanges will be small or non-existent.  The risk with this is that the government may get involved if it sees that criminal elements (Silk Road, tax evaders, other criminal groups/sanctioned nations looking to transfer money) can easily dispose of BTC.  Basically, they'll act to prohibit the transfer of BTC from the two exchanges, and potentially will start freezing assets of anyone who deals with the non-regulated exchange.
2. Investors will be afraid of the risk, and will not buy from non-regulated exchanges.  If this happens, then the sole markets where BTC is more effective than cash/credit will move away from BTC.

The last issue is a combination of the above two.  If you run out the people who actually want/need to use BTC as a currency, you're essentially left with just speculators...which would make BTC a very dangerous investment.
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Regulated exchanges. How would it be a good thing?

If past history is an indicator of future history, the implication is that US exchanges would be socialized.   Right or wrong, the US government socialized the losses of the US financial system in 2008,  and if bitcoin is a significant part of the economy, then the losses from a failed bitcoin exchange would be distributed to US taxpayers.  Right or wrong, an exchange with this kind of insurance would increase consumer confidence.

hero member
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I think its good news. NYC cannot control the btc protocol, but it should be a good thing to have controlled exchanges.
So people have a choice. Trade person to person or trade by a controlled exchange. Especially when you want to trade a big amount of btc to buy a house or a nice speedboat or so. Its safer to do that at a kind of post office, secured and controlled.

Other good point: at least NYC accept the btc as a currency. That's good.

Regulated exchanges. How would it be a good thing?

Would fiat deposits be insured or guaranteed, would btc deposits be the same? What when it eventually came to a breach, and the insurer/state would have to cough up the money, would they follow through, or would an insurance company/state fight like hell in court not to pay out. I guess we will not see until it does happen.

What about current collapses in New York in the existing financial industry, has customers been made whole, or have they been left alone to rot? If the latter, what guarantees will we have that anything will be different with bitcoin?

What about identity theft, what can prevent a single employee from coping identity data, and misusing or selling it ?

Interesting times ahead.
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