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sr. member
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October 11, 2014, 06:37:31 PM
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Huffed Mop & Glo instead of getting brainwashed in school, huh?
Ain't no foolin' a bright feller like you! Roll Eyes

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonmatonis/2012/12/23/fear-not-deflation/
http://mises.org/daily/3231

only when you have read these will we be able to discuss the subject on equal terms, sheep.

Lol @ mises.org Cheesy  That's like learning history from stormfront.org Cheesy

sr. member
Activity: 378
Merit: 254
October 11, 2014, 06:35:39 PM
@Melbustus:
You're talking about an improvement on gold, not fiat.  Controlling the money supply is a useful property of fiat, a tool not available with Bitcoin.
TL;DR:  Deflation is not "a good thing."  See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deflation

At this point, Bitcoin's inflation rate is way higher than USD--that's what mined coin is.  Bitcoin supply will continue to inflate throughout our lifetime.
As was pointed out by Satoshi, the price of Bitcoin tends to the cost of mining it (and vice versa).  In other words, the price of producing one bitcoin tends to the cost of producing it.  This means that if Bitcoin ever becomes substantially more valuable, the value dumped into mining it will proportionally increase.  Do you think that ~10% of the world's wealth is going into maintaining today's fiat "ledger" every year?

this myth again  Cheesy

Huffed Mop & Glo instead of getting brainwashed in school, huh?
Ain't no foolin' a bright feller like you! Roll Eyes

please please, entertain me with your deflation is bad theory and how it applies to Bitcoin

It is not my theory, it is a theory agreed upon by the majority of grownups.
As much as the egalitarian in me wishes to provide you with the education you so clearly lack, the Good Book warns me about casting my pearls before swine.
I'll compromise with a quote from wikip:

"Economists generally believe that deflation is a problem in a modern economy because it increases the real value of debt, and may aggravate recessions and lead to a deflationary spiral."  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deflation

Now go and play.
hero member
Activity: 644
Merit: 504
Bitcoin replaces central, not commercial, banks
October 11, 2014, 06:32:08 PM
@Melbustus:
You're talking about an improvement on gold, not fiat.  Controlling the money supply is a useful property of fiat, a tool not available with Bitcoin.
TL;DR:  Deflation is not "a good thing."  See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deflation

At this point, Bitcoin's inflation rate is way higher than USD--that's what mined coin is.  Bitcoin supply will continue to inflate throughout our lifetime.
As was pointed out by Satoshi, the price of Bitcoin tends to the cost of mining it (and vice versa).  In other words, the price of producing one bitcoin tends to the cost of producing it.  This means that if Bitcoin ever becomes substantially more valuable, the value dumped into mining it will proportionally increase.  Do you think that ~10% of the world's wealth is going into maintaining today's fiat "ledger" every year?

this myth again  Cheesy

Huffed Mop & Glo instead of getting brainwashed in school, huh?
Ain't no foolin' a bright feller like you! Roll Eyes

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonmatonis/2012/12/23/fear-not-deflation/
http://mises.org/daily/3231

only when you have read these will we be able to discuss the subject on equal terms, sheep.
hero member
Activity: 644
Merit: 504
Bitcoin replaces central, not commercial, banks
October 11, 2014, 06:08:00 PM
@Melbustus:
You're talking about an improvement on gold, not fiat.  Controlling the money supply is a useful property of fiat, a tool not available with Bitcoin.
TL;DR:  Deflation is not "a good thing."  See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deflation

At this point, Bitcoin's inflation rate is way higher than USD--that's what mined coin is.  Bitcoin supply will continue to inflate throughout our lifetime.
As was pointed out by Satoshi, the price of Bitcoin tends to the cost of mining it (and vice versa).  In other words, the price of producing one bitcoin tends to the cost of producing it.  This means that if Bitcoin ever becomes substantially more valuable, the value dumped into mining it will proportionally increase.  Do you think that ~10% of the world's wealth is going into maintaining today's fiat "ledger" every year?

this myth again  Cheesy

Huffed Mop & Glo instead of getting brainwashed in school, huh?
Ain't no foolin' a bright feller like you! Roll Eyes

please please, entertain me with your deflation is bad theory and how it applies to Bitcoin
sr. member
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Merit: 254
October 11, 2014, 06:01:37 PM
Fiat money is an awful long-term store of value, that's how and why it works.

FTFY

Modern money = BTC

Fiat is so 2001

sr. member
Activity: 378
Merit: 254
October 11, 2014, 05:59:28 PM
@Melbustus:
You're talking about an improvement on gold, not fiat.  Controlling the money supply is a useful property of fiat, a tool not available with Bitcoin.
TL;DR:  Deflation is not "a good thing."  See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deflation

At this point, Bitcoin's inflation rate is way higher than USD--that's what mined coin is.  Bitcoin supply will continue to inflate throughout our lifetime.
As was pointed out by Satoshi, the price of Bitcoin tends to the cost of mining it (and vice versa).  In other words, the price of producing one bitcoin tends to the cost of producing it.  This means that if Bitcoin ever becomes substantially more valuable, the value dumped into mining it will proportionally increase.  Do you think that ~10% of the world's wealth is going into maintaining today's fiat "ledger" every year?

this myth again  Cheesy

Huffed Mop & Glo instead of getting brainwashed in school, huh?
Ain't no foolin' a bright feller like you! Roll Eyes
hero member
Activity: 644
Merit: 504
Bitcoin replaces central, not commercial, banks
October 11, 2014, 05:51:55 PM

At least you can buy food with dollars & gold... At the current moment you can't even buy anything worth anything with bitcoin! Even food is a hassle to buy with BTC. It needs to get easier! MUCH EASIER!!! Before the masses start to use bitcoin! GLTA!

 Roll Eyes

take a minute to watch this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndshbH3qZ6Y

hero member
Activity: 644
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Bitcoin replaces central, not commercial, banks
October 11, 2014, 05:46:11 PM
Fiat money is an awful long-term store of value, that's how and why it works.

FTFY

Modern money = BTC

Fiat is so 2001
hero member
Activity: 644
Merit: 504
Bitcoin replaces central, not commercial, banks
October 11, 2014, 05:39:30 PM
@Melbustus:
You're talking about an improvement on gold, not fiat.  Controlling the money supply is a useful property of fiat, a tool not available with Bitcoin.
TL;DR:  Deflation is not "a good thing."  See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deflation

At this point, Bitcoin's inflation rate is way higher than USD--that's what mined coin is.  Bitcoin supply will continue to inflate throughout our lifetime.
As was pointed out by Satoshi, the price of Bitcoin tends to the cost of mining it (and vice versa).  In other words, the price of producing one bitcoin tends to the cost of producing it.  This means that if Bitcoin ever becomes substantially more valuable, the value dumped into mining it will proportionally increase.  Do you think that ~10% of the world's wealth is going into maintaining today's fiat "ledger" every year?

this myth again  Cheesy

sr. member
Activity: 378
Merit: 254
October 11, 2014, 04:11:34 PM
^
Patience.  There's plenty of play left here.

be moral and clever.

I explain exactly what to expect when "investing" in Bitcoin.  I don't [intentionally] hold anything back.
After that, it would be hypocritical of me to hold back and not to deliver on my promise, no?
sr. member
Activity: 448
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October 11, 2014, 03:52:41 PM
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the dollar lost 90% of its purchasing power since 1913 and in the last 5 years it has been printed to oblivion, it is clear it will fail the same way as all the other paper currencies have failed in human history,
but hey, don't worry, im sure its different this time...

Another chunk of terrible logic.
Yes, the dollar buys less than it did in 1913.
To compensate for that, the average income has risen from $740 per year.
Things I have to explain...

what about people's savings? they lost 90% of their purchasing power.
the average income did not rise as fast as inflation, not nominally and sure as hell not after taxes.

Money is not mattress stuffing.  You want savings, by bonds or invest.  Or simply buy stuff that has real value.

Anyhow, this is all purely academic.  If you have "invested" in BTC this year, you have fared substantially worse than the rubes who kept their savings in USD.
Way worse.

bonds are a loan and like any loan carries a counter party risk, investing also carries a risk.
buying real stuff that can't just be diluted out of thin air is good for saving.
how about we just make that money instead of some papers? that way whenever i don't want to invest and just want to save my purchasing power for later use i can just hold my money without having my purchasing power arbitrarily robbed by a bank...

Modern money is an awful long-term store of value, that's how and why it works.
I know the anal retentive in you is jonesing to hoard stuff, but hoarding money is not only amoral, it's [fortunately] also stupid.
As stupid as hoarding steaks or delicious caek--why not complain about that?

*You're not being "robbed by a bank," unless you mean Bitcoin banks like Neo Bee etc., etc., in which case: I told you you would be.


if money was not created out of thin air like it is today,
why would hoarding (saving) it be stupid, suppose i want to buy something expensive, whats wrong with saving my money for a few years until i can buy it.
what if i want to save for retirement but i want to take as little risk as possible and so would prefer not to invest or loan my money but just hoard (save) it until i retire, why is that stupid and who are you or anyone else to dictate to people what risks they should take with their money.

every time a bank grants a loan it creates money out of thin air and loans it with interest to someone, that new money dilutes the purchasing power of everyone else.
by doing that the bank essentially robbed the rest of the population of its purchasing power, the result is no different than robbing everyone at the point of a gun out of a fraction of their money.
legendary
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October 11, 2014, 03:50:36 PM
so are we fucked or what?  Cry

I do not know if you are shorting, but It is time to buy and hold.
newbie
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October 11, 2014, 03:44:20 PM
so are we fucked or what?  Cry
legendary
Activity: 1414
Merit: 1000
October 11, 2014, 03:35:49 PM
^
Patience.  There's plenty of play left here.

be moral and clever.
sr. member
Activity: 378
Merit: 254
October 11, 2014, 03:33:14 PM
^
Patience.  There's plenty of play left here.
legendary
Activity: 1414
Merit: 1000
October 11, 2014, 03:31:49 PM

go NotLambchop, go, sell all your coins.
sr. member
Activity: 378
Merit: 254
October 11, 2014, 03:26:43 PM
...
the dollar lost 90% of its purchasing power since 1913 and in the last 5 years it has been printed to oblivion, it is clear it will fail the same way as all the other paper currencies have failed in human history,
but hey, don't worry, im sure its different this time...

Another chunk of terrible logic.
Yes, the dollar buys less than it did in 1913.
To compensate for that, the average income has risen from $740 per year.
Things I have to explain...

what about people's savings? they lost 90% of their purchasing power.
the average income did not rise as fast as inflation, not nominally and sure as hell not after taxes.

Money is not mattress stuffing.  You want savings, by bonds or invest.  Or simply buy stuff that has real value.

Anyhow, this is all purely academic.  If you have "invested" in BTC this year, you have fared substantially worse than the rubes who kept their savings in USD.
Way worse.

bonds are a loan and like any loan carries a counter party risk, investing also carries a risk.
buying real stuff that can't just be diluted out of thin air is good for saving.
how about we just make that money instead of some papers? that way whenever i don't want to invest and just want to save my purchasing power for later use i can just hold my money without having my purchasing power arbitrarily robbed by a bank...

Modern money is an awful long-term store of value, that's how and why it works.
I know the anal retentive in you is jonesing to hoard stuff, but hoarding money is not only amoral, it's [fortunately] also stupid.
As stupid as hoarding steaks or delicious caek--why not complain about that?

*You're not being "robbed by a bank," unless you mean Bitcoin banks like Neo Bee etc., etc., in which case: I told you you would be.
sr. member
Activity: 448
Merit: 250
October 11, 2014, 03:05:50 PM
...
the dollar lost 90% of its purchasing power since 1913 and in the last 5 years it has been printed to oblivion, it is clear it will fail the same way as all the other paper currencies have failed in human history,
but hey, don't worry, im sure its different this time...

Another chunk of terrible logic.
Yes, the dollar buys less than it did in 1913.
To compensate for that, the average income has risen from $740 per year.
Things I have to explain...

what about people's savings? they lost 90% of their purchasing power.
the average income did not rise as fast as inflation, not nominally and sure as hell not after taxes.

Money is not mattress stuffing.  You want savings, by bonds or invest.  Or simply buy stuff that has real value.

Anyhow, this is all purely academic.  If you have "invested" in BTC this year, you have fared substantially worse than the rubes who kept their savings in USD.
Way worse.

bonds are a loan and like any loan carries a counter party risk, investing also carries a risk.
buying real stuff that can't just be diluted out of thin air is good for saving.
how about we just make that money instead of some papers? that way whenever i don't want to invest and just want to save my purchasing power for later use i can just hold my money without having my purchasing power arbitrarily robbed by a bank.
something like i don't know... gold?

bitcoin had one bad year after four years of insane returns, nothing always goes up.
sr. member
Activity: 378
Merit: 254
October 11, 2014, 02:33:21 PM
...
the dollar lost 90% of its purchasing power since 1913 and in the last 5 years it has been printed to oblivion, it is clear it will fail the same way as all the other paper currencies have failed in human history,
but hey, don't worry, im sure its different this time...

Another chunk of terrible logic.
Yes, the dollar buys less than it did in 1913.
To compensate for that, the average income has risen from $740 per year.
Things I have to explain...

what about people's savings? they lost 90% of their purchasing power.
the average income did not rise as fast as inflation, not nominally and sure as hell not after taxes.

Money is not mattress stuffing.  You want savings, by bonds or invest.  Or simply buy stuff that has real value.

Anyhow, this is all purely academic.  If you have "invested" in BTC this year, you have fared substantially worse than the rubes who kept their savings in USD.
Way worse.
sr. member
Activity: 448
Merit: 250
October 11, 2014, 02:23:51 PM
...
the dollar lost 90% of its purchasing power since 1913 and in the last 5 years it has been printed to oblivion, it is clear it will fail the same way as all the other paper currencies have failed in human history,
but hey, don't worry, im sure its different this time...

Another chunk of terrible logic.
Yes, the dollar buys less than it did in 1913.
To compensate for that, the average income has risen from $740 per year.
Things I have to explain...

what about people's savings? they lost 90% of their purchasing power.
the average income did not rise as fast as inflation, not nominally and sure as hell not after taxes.
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