Image ban or tagging, is it possible?

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Quote from: Jaycoinz on November 02, 2023, 12:03:30 AM

In respect of posting of images, although I haven't seen any body get banned although I don't know if it's because I have search hard enough but I wouldn't want to be corrected by someone again through PM

Since you haven't seen anyone get tagged and you have not seen any thread of such relating to the ban because of the posted image, that means that nothing of such exists. When I came to the forum, I quite thought it would also be a crime to upload images that weren't created by me, so what I normally do then is to also add the source link to those images in the imagine before I post them on the forum. Later, I realized that it was not really a crime, and I stopped adding the link. It's not a crime to receive corrections through PM, mate. You should consider being lucky because it has saved you from the open drama that you would have created for yourself.

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To me it's better you always attached the image link from the site where you source it from, despite no rules that says copying images are restricted from the forum. Most at times people are too funny I can remember someone who copied an image and was reported as plagiarism then but after all evaluation the user was free. So to be plain and free from drama it's always advisable to include source link to every content you are copying from to post in this forum.

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Quote from: virasog on November 04, 2023, 09:48:56 PM

Quote from: pinggoki on November 03, 2023, 04:17:12 AM

I'm sure there's a free use policy on images posted on the Internet and if I recall correctly, if the person that has taken the photo explicitly stated that they don't want it to be used by other people then that's when the plagiarism starts to be an issue and it's mostly being done by professional photographers there's a famous case of that iirc although it was amicably settled, I think it was a picture used by a YouTube music video which a lot of people loved and the video got taken down for copyright on the picture. In this forum, I think that it's going to be difficult to get accused of image plagiarism so you don't need to worry OP.

Well, you may get away with posting random images on this forum but this does not mean that you won't be accused of image plagiarism.
Let me tell you that if you ever participated in any art contest, and try to get an image from the internet and tell that this is your submission (your artwork), then you may be in trouble. Similarly copying anyone else work and presenting it as yours in some sort of competition, may get you tagged, if not banned.

So, you need to be careful and it really depends on which context the image is copied and posted on the bitcointalk forum.

That's very correct mate, because I have seen some art contest here in the forum that people actually went as far as to copy or use images of others and although they weren't tag or banned but I believe they were automatically removed from the contest and I know the community will put a close eye on such user of not even tagged for such act. Image plagiarism will not get you banned but be sure that someone here can tag you for involvement in this act especially when you use to cheat in the community contest.

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Quote from: Jaycoinz on November 02, 2023, 12:03:30 AM

In respect of posting of images, although I haven't seen any body get banned although I don't know if it's because I have search hard enough but I wouldn't want to be corrected by someone again through PM so I decided to come public on this one. So please the community should clear if I can banned or tagged from copying someone image in creating my topic without adding a reference link.

And please don't mind the English error as am trying to improve in my writing thank you all.

Simple answer yes, this is when you claim the owner of the image when you use it on one of your post. This is why you should put the source if you are using it as reference to the topic you created to avoid confusion that you are not the real owner.

But if you are just posting image just for sharing the content without any description on your post that expresses your ownership then you are good to go to post image without any source. Most of the time, image use on info thread is always subjected to copyright when doesn’t disclose the source it will looks like that you own it since the content is originally from yours.

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Quote from: NotATether on November 02, 2023, 02:03:50 AM

You only get banned if the image is NSFW. All other images are fine, including AI generated ones. And also, there is no such thing as a "plagiarized image" unless it is stolen from the stock image seller's website without paying (and a license to reproduce it on other sites), in which case, don't do that.

Use discretion and don't post images with content that is illegal in your jurisdiction.

Not to argue where is the NSFW rule?

And are you saying NSFW even if it is not plagiarized?

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Quote from: pinggoki on November 03, 2023, 04:17:12 AM

I'm sure there's a free use policy on images posted on the Internet and if I recall correctly, if the person that has taken the photo explicitly stated that they don't want it to be used by other people then that's when the plagiarism starts to be an issue and it's mostly being done by professional photographers there's a famous case of that iirc although it was amicably settled, I think it was a picture used by a YouTube music video which a lot of people loved and the video got taken down for copyright on the picture. In this forum, I think that it's going to be difficult to get accused of image plagiarism so you don't need to worry OP.

Well, you may get away with posting random images on this forum but this does not mean that you won't be accused of image plagiarism.
Let me tell you that if you ever participated in any art contest, and try to get an image from the internet and tell that this is your submission (your artwork), then you may be in trouble. Similarly copying anyone else work and presenting it as yours in some sort of competition, may get you tagged, if not banned.

So, you need to be careful and it really depends on which context the image is copied and posted on the bitcointalk forum.

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Quote from: Jaycoinz on November 02, 2023, 12:03:30 AM

I have serious taught on this because I tried even using AI to help write some post of mine and I won't deny the fact but a good mate here in the forum corrected me and sent me a PM to stop if not I will be tagged so in that respect I stop using the AI...

I hope that's the absolute truth and nothing but the truth that you've indeed stopped using it. To me, I see those who rely on AI to write for them as people who've confidence issue and then bend it to deceive others.

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So please the community should clear if I can banned or tagged from copying someone image in creating my topic without adding a reference link.

I know many users above have pointed you to what's obtainable at the moment that there's no copyright infringement on pictures here. However, I do think that it could become an issue during arts competitions and exhibitions here during contests. I think I've read something like that where certain users tried to adjust some arts work they saw online and pass them off as theirs. They got called out on the threads. I can't remember what competitions they were on again now.

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And please don't mind the English error as am trying to improve in my writing thank you all.

Apart from your negligence of punctuation marks, I think your written English isn't bad.

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Quote from: Jaycoinz on November 02, 2023, 12:03:30 AM

Skepticism is the father of curiosity so in this respect, I would like to ask a simple question about the possibilities of one getting ban through posting of images here in the forum, because I know this community doesn't joke around with strict policy of countering people that do copy pasting.

In my opinion, what is meant by skepticism is the tendency not to believe something, not to want to know about something. I've read about the concept of skepticism in philosophical analogies, but it was a long time ago and many have forgotten.

Quote from: Jaycoinz on November 02, 2023, 12:03:30 AM

In respect of posting of images, although I haven't seen any body get banned although I don't know if it's because I have search hard enough but I wouldn't want to be corrected by someone again through PM so I decided to come public on this one. So please the community should clear if I can banned or tagged from copying someone image in creating my topic without adding a reference link.

I don't think you will be banned from taking pictures on the internet. This is because the bitcointalk site does not support image hosting, so when you post an image you have to upload the image to an image hosting site such as talkimg.com. As far as I know, you will not be considered plagiarist for pasting image links from image hosting

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Quote from: pinggoki on November 03, 2023, 04:17:12 AM

I'm sure there's a free use policy on images posted on the Internet and if I recall correctly, if the person that has taken the photo explicitly stated that they don't want it to be used by other people then that's when the plagiarism starts to be an issue

Don't confuse plagiarism for copyright infringements. The former can get you banned, the latter is handled based on the DMCA. But since Bitcointalk doesn't host images, copyrighted images are someone else's problem.

Plagiarism is basically saying you created something, while someone else did. It doesn't matter if it's text or images, although images won't get you banned on Bitcointalk.
Copyright infringement is using someone else's work without permission. Quoting is usually considered to be fair use, but especially for images there are Copyright trolls who make a living charging people.

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I'm sure there's a free use policy on images posted on the Internet and if I recall correctly, if the person that has taken the photo explicitly stated that they don't want it to be used by other people then that's when the plagiarism starts to be an issue and it's mostly being done by professional photographers there's a famous case of that iirc although it was amicably settled, I think it was a picture used by a YouTube music video which a lot of people loved and the video got taken down for copyright on the picture. In this forum, I think that it's going to be difficult to get accused of image plagiarism so you don't need to worry OP.

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Quote from: Jaycoinz on November 03, 2023, 01:57:03 AM

the fear is always there when you get to see the amount users that are being ban everyday on the plagiarism thread by Loyce V.

When I was a Newbie (and Jr. Member, and Member, and Full Member, .......), I wasn't concerned about bans. Those are very easy to avoid: don't break the rules.
Negative feedback on the other hand always felt like a risk, it was handed out like candy for the smallest mistakes or even "wrong" interpretations.

Quote from: Jaycoinz on November 02, 2023, 12:03:30 AM

I tried even using AI

To quote Sarah Connor: "I hate machines!". I don't want to interact with toasters on a forum, I want to interact with humans.

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With all these, despite it's not against the rule, it still looks being unprofessional by posting image without a reference link, now you have the probability of getting tagged for doing so base on the content, also you are not giving people the means to the full details on the message you're trying to convey on the image, just as the use of AI is not against the rule, but when you try one, then you get tagged, posting an image and not inserting the link when necessary is just a display of lackadaisical attitude and not making a quality post enough with such.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on November 02, 2023, 12:05:49 AM

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Quote from: icopress on November 04, 2020, 10:37:50 AM

Below is the answer by mprep (Global Moderator).

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33. Posting plagiarized content is not allowed.[e] - Does this rule apply to images?

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AFAIK no, it doesn't apply to images.

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Thank you, can I quote you?

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Feel free.

You can't get banned because of posting someone else image, but for getting tagged by DTs it's still possible depends on the case.

This case was the example where someone claimed if those artworks were created by him, but he actually stole someone else artworks.

Thanks for the link and all the answer provided, its been really good as I have cleared my curiosity towards this thought of mine and will try my best to improve here both in my communication and typing skill to avoid been tag or ban because the fear is always there when you get to see the amount users that are being ban everyday on the plagiarism thread by Loyce V.

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I think I had this same perception of the possibility of a user being ban for image plagiarism and I also created a thread on this issue where I was clear on this notion by senior ranking members and also was referred to link that involve a serious discussion and argument between two members here in the forum that totally clear the air to this thought of mine .

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Quote from: shahzadafzal on November 02, 2023, 12:32:27 PM

Nope, I’m afraid this isn’t sufficient evidence. Since this incident occurred outside of Bitcointalk, it’s challenging to confirm the identity of the person on the other end. Furthermore, the image was not initially posted on Bitcointalk.

If you checked the topic, you would see that member in question even admitted that he took someone else's image and presented it as his own. Also, it doesn't matter from where it was taken as if you copy text from outside of bitcointalk you will still get banned so this argument is not valid.

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Quote from: shahzadafzal on November 02, 2023, 12:32:27 PM

What I’m trying to convey is that if the original image originated from Bitcointalk and someone shared that image here on Burocintalk, and then another individual copied and reposted it on Bitcointalk, that would indeed constitute clear-cut plagiarism.

Even if someone did that, it still won't get banned. Here is the direct answer from mprep, plagiarism rule doesn't apply to images, no matter the source.

Quote from: icopress on November 04, 2020, 10:37:50 AM

33. Posting plagiarized content is not allowed.[e] - Does this rule apply to images?

Quote from: shahzadafzal on November 02, 2023, 12:32:27 PM

I don’t understand why moderators won’t consider it plagiarism?

I agree, it dooesn't make sense and I don't think that we ever got an explanation for that exception.

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Quote from: Rikafip on November 02, 2023, 12:10:49 PM

Quote from: shahzadafzal on November 02, 2023, 01:19:38 AM

Yes, you can be banned if it's proven that you have plagiarized.

Nope, you won't get banned on bitcointalk for image plagiarism even if its proven that you took image from someone else and presented it as your own.

For example of something like that, take a look at this case from few years ago when I exposed someone who took someone else's image and explicitly presented it as his own in order to fish some merit. Even though it was proved that it wasn't his image (I contacetd the original creator who confirmed me that) and he even admitted plagiarism, mods did nothing and all he got were few tags.

Nope, I’m afraid this isn’t sufficient evidence. Since this incident occurred outside of Bitcointalk, it’s challenging to confirm the identity of the person on the other end. Furthermore, the image was not initially posted on Bitcointalk.

What I’m trying to convey is that if the original image originated from Bitcointalk and someone shared that image here on Burocintalk, and then another individual copied and reposted it on Bitcointalk, that would indeed constitute clear-cut plagiarism.

I don’t understand why moderators won’t consider it plagiarism?

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Quote from: shahzadafzal on November 02, 2023, 01:19:38 AM

Yes, you can be banned if it's proven that you have plagiarized.

Nope, you won't get banned on bitcointalk for image plagiarism even if its proven that you took image from someone else and presented it as your own.

For example of something like that, take a look at this case from few years ago when I exposed someone who took someone else's image and explicitly presented it as his own in order to fish some merit. Even though it was proved that it wasn't his image (I contacetd the original creator who confirmed me that) and he even admitted plagiarism, mods did nothing and all he got were few tags.

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You really won't get banned for posting someone else's images as those images aren't directly hosted on this forum and you're only embedding the links of those images which you have hosted on another website. But, I still think that it's morally and ethically not right to post someone else's images as a form of contribution to this forum.

Although, a proper reference link is always a good thing but still some members don't like such posts and you may get tagged if you make low quality posts that are only images. I remember a member who added neutral trust feedback on many users because he thought that those members weren't contributing anything good to the forum and were spamming.

A member also disliked the users who used to post Twitter now X based image posts on WO thread, and after that many users have stopped posting Twitter images on WO thread. If someone don't bans your account but still it deteriorates your reputation then it's better to avoid such things even if those can allow you to get some merits.

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It's a welcome development you are willing to change and comply with the rules of the forum and I'm sure it would go a long way in helping you and keep you out of the big whip.

You might also use the following links to understand the forum better depending on your reason here:

1. Main rules/guides of the forum (Unofficial): https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/unofficial-list-of-official-bitcointalkorg-rules-guidelines-faq-703657
2. Ranking up: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/merit-new-rank-requirements-2818350 & https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1861412
3. Merit Statistics: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats
4. Specifically for newbies: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/newbies-read-before-posting-1689727

Now about your concern, note that your rank might still limit you to image posting visibility if that is your current curiosity, be assured that it will be fixed as you rank up. And about coping images from external sources, it's very allowed, nonetheless, it would be gentle and polite enough to share the sources for credits.

This is not limited to images alone but also some excerpts from external sources.

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Quote from: Jaycoinz on November 02, 2023, 12:03:30 AM

So please the community should clear if I can banned or tagged from copying someone image in creating my topic without adding a reference link.

What do you see to the meaning of plagiarism, copying someone's else's work and claiming it to be from your own, be it images or articles, what does adding a reference link do to many of you that you so finds it a very difficult task to do, the only situation i may see this as needless is when the image content already have the source link or reference name on the image.

That will clearly shows that so and so company or organization published this because their logo, name or stamp is appearing on it, else, it is very important to also include link to any image you've got online except you're the creator to that image, this is not about being banned alone, but doing the right thing the professional way.

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