Topic: Images, Google, Youtube, showing about gambling in Saudi Arabia. (Read 621 times)

My two cents, these are hoax images.

Saudi has the most extreme brand of Islamic law, I forgot what they call it, but they actually carry out the punishments that involve amputation for stealing etc. Gambling would be considered really bad, I don't think people would parade around in their headwear and ask to get caught by the authorities.

Note, I am not saying Saudis don't gamble. Everyone does, even Muslims, especially online. They just wouldn't be so outrageous about it.

This is what I am waiting for clarification from genuine Arabs, I'm sure Google is not entirely correct, as far as I know Arabs have certain laws in the world of gambling, Moslem.

Just to make sure, that pictures, youtube and so on about gambling in arab countries are lies and misleading.

It's time to close the discussion topic on Arab gambling, that's a lie.

As far as I know, there are no public casinos in Saudi Arabian cities but it's apparently hugely popular among the local UAE wealthy so maybe you saw images of that.

(or maybe as someone above said, they are located in another arab country.)

These are just images it's different from the real stories, a blog, video, or article platform can post different images far different from what they are posting, it's important that you read the whole article by checking where the images are coming from to verify the whole story when it comes to something about the laws and religion, the fact is very important.

I agree instead of bothering to report misleading information, it is better that we ourselves must be careful in receiving the news that we get on
the internet. Because we know a lot of fake news spread on the internet, so doing a double check should be done, in order to validate the news
that we get. Because many websites often provide fake news, only to go viral and attract the number of visitors who come to their website.

There are different ways to report the fake websites which contains misleading information but its a long and legal process so no one is going to put their effort to take down it, we sre the one have to change our behaviour while surfing internet and double checking the new information we gather will stop these false news.

I agree on the images and the exact articles are two different things, you have to read those articles to get the real picture it's very misleading just looking at the pictures but Googler only caches these images for search engine searches, these articles that wrote about the events should delete these images so it will not show up in the search engine images again.

With some google search I found that the images shown is actually from Baroot not in Saudi Arabia but it went viral and also reached the government as well. Another article says that Prince of Saudi is building a 5 star hotel which includes a betting casino as well but now sure how accurate this news is about but the hotel is yet to be open and it will take one or two years for the project to be completed.

I was also with the impression that the pictures shown in the OP are not images of illegal and underground gambling. The setting looks organized and even the people who are playing look like they're devote Muslims. They simply don't look like they're doing something illegal in a hidden place.

There must simply be a misunderstanding about these images. Perhaps these were wrongfully interpreted to be gambling because the games are mostly card games which are usually played with bets. The setup also looks like a gambling setup.

I think it's hypocrisy of that site to say it's not gambling justifying it's a sport instead. If we think that way all gambling games could be considered sport for recreation purposes then, including the cards games like Poker. Moreover the site says those pictures don't show a gambling event because there isn't money involved, but right after they say this:
There is actually money in the tournament for the winners, just like in gambling. Even if there were no bets these news are clearly minimizing the gambling characteristic of the tournament to pretend Saudi Arabia is free from gambling influences especially among religious people. For a traditional muslim it's unnaceptable anyway, just like that site also said:

The picture or images does not represent the real events that took place here is the caption on one of the pictures displayed on Good research


It may look that they are gambling but they are playing a traditional card game that does not involve trading money a senior cleric is hosting the event, he will not let gambling to happen in an even t he is hosting it's against Muslim laws.

If those are known illegal acts then it wouldnt really much an issue. Why? Looking at those images and the status of those men playing then you could really tell that those are billionaires and even if they would be penalized or having those bail then it wouldnt really be that much of a problem since they can pay it easily.This is why im not surprised that there would really be those people who doesnt really care on violating something specially they do know that they could really pay it up without any problems.This doesnt only apply on gambling activities but also in other situations as well on where you do have the money then you could really have the power and the right on doing things that you do have in mind without minding anything.

^ I think the reason why those big online companies showing ads about gambling is just because of the ads and that it is. There is no prohibition because we know they are a big online company that has to promote online ads and I think there is no problem. The only problem is when people start gambling but I don't know how many of them there are honest and did not really gamble using the internet, you can use a different strategy just to gamble, and even using VPN is one of the solutions that you can hide your IP address and also your name and go-to online games.

Though some are really violating the law and their religions law, most of them are really not its just that they are came from a country that gambling is restricted so when they travel abroad, they are free to do whatever they want especially with regards to gambling because they know its not illegal and they are not Muslims at all. That picture will tell a different story, let’s not judge yet and let’s respect their decision to gamble not unless its really illegal.

That's what I want to say, I represent that in fact I dare not mention the priest also drinks *******, so the conclusion is that we need to look at this case from a wider perspective. Because it is not good to generalize to a certain group who is afraid of hurting followers of other religions.

Regardless of whether it is true or not in the video, we try to straighten out various speculations that are often cornered by the religious system and the rule of law in it.
So you have shown evidence that it is a competition, while gambling has various types, not all competitions are gambling, and not every gambling is a competition, in which there is only entertainment.

If the Saudi Arabia government is not too strict about gambling, the illegal casino will still have a place among their people and they will still play gambling in that hidden places.
We know that illegal casino can be everywhere without the government can track the places.
But if the government apply a strict rule for their people who are caught playing gambling, maybe that can reduce the number of people who will play gambling.
Or they can still play online gambling instead to go to the hidden casino because the risk will be too big compare to if they play in the online casino.

Hmmm, thanks for the info @uneng
I confess that I found it a bit contradictory and I was even surprised, as I believe that the Muslim religion does not allow these kinds of things.

With these kinds of things happening all over the world, we see how things have changed over time.

Look, I don't really know, but let's see how these kinds of things are going to be in the future, whether gambling is going to stay in Muslim countries or not.
As I don't understand very well about this subject, I can't give a concrete opinion about it.

I claim that a group of men dressed in ghutrah (typical Middle Eastern clothing) playing cards or gambling in the first largest center in Saudi Arabia is a HOAX.
The events in the video are the first official matches of the card game baloot, a French card game popular in Saudi Arabia, and the location in the video is not a room used for gambling. but the location of the baloot card tournament event which is held for 4 days.
and this competition was organized by the General Entertainment Authority of the Saudi Government and was attended by 12 thousand participants.

Well, that makes sense. Not all Arabs are Muslims that have this law. Gambling is entertainment, having luck on your side is fun for any person regardless of the laws though. We've seen a Chinese man gambling like it's their last night on earth but not in China.

Congregations have so many laws of their own. They are saying drinking alcohol is not allowed but the pastor himself drinks rum in a far away city.

In the middle east where casinos are legal gambling accounts for about 80 percent of all sports revenue. There is also a culture of legal and illegal horse racing in iraq and the united arab emirates gambling and casinos, even online gambling, are legal in the UAE but gambling is done and when caught it is published in the media. But in early april this year a picture and video of saudi arabia went viral on facebook and other social media. Saudi Arabia is a muslim state and gambling is illegal in the muslim religion therefore there is a system of severe punishment for violating the law.

Possibly, but I think the existence of illegal gambling continues partly because the Saudi Arabia government is not so strict about it, especially if those gambling activities do not involve locals or Muslims. But if the Saudi government is really serious in cracking down on these illegal gambling activities, I don't think this will continue. We all know how strict the country is in terms of penalizing law breakers. If I am a gambler and I am in Saudi and the country is strictly implementing anti-gambling measures,  I would rather abide by it. I wouldn't want to get jailed and get whipped daily for it.

They don’t allow gambling in the natural sense of it in Saudi Arabia, people have to use VPN and can, thus, only engage in online gambling. Still, it’s prohibited.

However, from what I know, there are halal versions of gambling, that allow people to gamble, but, at the same time, don’t break the Sharia. The solution is simple - play games with no money involved.

Here, this article explains a lot. And mind the date, it’s 2018! Maybe since then, Saudi Arabia has warmed up to gambling even more.

wait, I just explained according to the article I read and there I didn't think the incident was a gamble and in the previous thread I also said that the snippet of the image that became the YouTube advertising channel can be manipulated. I don't understand why you say I assume it's gambling?
I have said in the previous thread that it is a baloot game or some kind of card trick that is played in Arab countries in 2018 I say this because I have read the existing articles but because the source articles I read are articles from my own country with my country's language so I didn't include it

I don't know much about the site. I just searched about muslims gambling on google and that was of one of the sites in evidence also displaying the images posted by OP. I thought interesting because it was a self-claimed muslim site sharing their view on that specific situation. Anyway, the information in the article about the prominent Imam in the images are true and he has a background of liberal statements considering his religion standards.

You can create a website from anywhere in the world and can hitlre people to cash like arab and take images loke they are gambling and can make money from such traffic into their site, everything showing on the Google is not 100% accurate because it just bring the results for your search and they are not taking any responsibility for the accuracy.

AFIAK, gambling is completely prohibited in all the Islamic countries for the muslims but they let the other religious people to decide their choices.

In my opinion, whether a gambling is illegal or not is relative. Not only gambling, even eating, drinking, living extravagantly or anything that is too excessive can be considered haram (wrong). Simply put, anything that is done in excess can lead to haram. Although it is not in the scriptural records though, because it is based on the customs of a society.

Returning to gambling which is currently the most massive and rapidly growing thing in various countries shows that there is a greater sense of desire to achieve something by risking.

Since the days of ignorance, Arabs have known gambling and it has even become a habit of Arabs before Islam came. What are they betting on? one of them is the camel, betting on 1 camel by guessing the number or speed of running (if it is now like a horse race) if the guess is correct, then those who bet 1 camel can get 2 to 5 or even more.

That is the basis that disrupts the haram law. then what is illegal? Broadly speaking, haram is doing something that is prohibited by religion (all religions have a prohibition) and then getting a threat.

For those who have religious beliefs, ideally just obey, but again, humans are still humans. It is not only in Arabia that dominates Islam and prohibits gambling, even all countries of any religion have something in common regarding gambling.

it's a simple concept that I think goes back to gamblers, can they stop gambling, or stick to the rules? example "even though we have bad personalities, but still if the religion is misused, it will definitely be defended". Likewise, those of us who still can't stop gambling, it doesn't mean we no longer hold on to the beliefs we hold, but our needs, hobbies and other things that encourage us to do it all.

We are all equal in this regard.

Yes, that is because people attempt gambling to make money and know that gambling is prohibited in their country. They risk their money and even their life because if they get caught by the police, they will get punishment for some time. Even if that is Arabs, we can not blame them as gambling is their choice and they know about the consequences of playing gambling in their country.

Living conditions often encourage people to look for shortcuts in making money. One of them is gambling, even though it is clearly prohibited in religious and state regulations, nothing can stop someone who has made up his mind who is confused about making money. During the pandemic, it became more and more rampant and the users of online gambling site sites increased.
Should it be prohibited in a country, the government should pay more attention to people like that, create jobs, ease the conditions for accepting workers and much more.
If it gets more complicated then don't blame those who gamble, because they no longer have a way to make extra money.

Not all Arabs follow Islam, Arabic does not mean Islam, many of them gamble in secret. Even though they live in a predominantly Muslim area, and apply Islamic rules, that doesn't mean they can't gamble. We just don't know. why do i talk like that? because my mother used to work there and witnessed the identical Arabs wearing their traditional clothes gambling. So we cannot generalize this unilaterally when applying Islamic rules. Because of course Islam forbids gambling.

Gambling is illegal in most Islam countries yet we can't deny the fact that people will always find ways to do gambling. Even in the most strict areas where gambling is prohibited, we all know that underground gambling is still happening. However, we still aren't sure if the players on the photos are really Arabs since not all we see on the internet is true.

There are more possibilities for these to be hoax. Even we cannot underestimate the credibility of all google services but google searches are just based on key word search. If you put some photoshopped images with the caption of "if Arabs go to casino and play gambling then it will look like this", then google will show those same image for all those who search with key words: Arabs+gambling.

At the same time, we need to wait for the people who frequents to big hotels and other similar resorts to confirm the actual status of gambling in all restricted countries because human's basic nature is always trying to breach both governments' and religions' law for curiosity reasons.

Probably there is a condition to consider before allowing gambling, there are other people in the Muslim faith that gambles in different country so I think there must be some kind of loophole that they are being allowed to gamble but generally I do believe that gambling isn't allowed in the Qur'an.

i check the first link bu i have to ask google again if gambling is allowed in that country or not and results show that it is strictly prohibited but under it it says its allowed but it does not involved real money so maybe that is what you say in google images and in youtube although in the image they are using chips but that can only be a replica  to imitate  or to experience a real gambling  .

I think so too, the thing about gambling in Saudi Arabia is quite strange to me, I just wanted to make this topic and ask a question, I know that in this forum there are Arab communities and local Arab forums, but i didn't find a satisfactory answer it's just weird to me, is this real or edited.

I think in this situation the Arab community knows more about the real thing, but I can't find the original source of how real casinos in Arabia are, real or hoax.

I understand Islam strictly prohibits gambling, especially in Arabia, let alone gambling, even women are not allowed to drive, although now it is allowed, new Arab law.
So with this news, I was thinking, is it possible that a new law has been implemented, casino gambling has been allowed there, quietly.

I think that is because some people want to have fun like what they see on the internet or other media, so they make a secret place to gamble or use unused homes to gather all of those people to play gambling.
Usually, that is what they did with the other people who want to gamble.
In other countries where gambling is prohibited, people will have that secret place to gamble, which is hard to find.
So even that is in Saudi Arabia, that will not stop people from gambling.

I am quite surprised that even in a country so strict against gambling that it still exists. Perhaps gambling could be interpreted as second nature to man.

Saudi Arabia is the capital country for Muslims and as such it gives so much value to the rules of the Quran and what is haram is to be avoided at all costs, otherwise you will suffer the punishment for its commission. And yet it seems to me that these pictures are real. Perhaps as swogerino mentioned the country doesn't mind this if the ones involved are foreigners.

Are they able to gamble while outside their country?
I'm not sure if I have seen an Arab man playing in a casino wearing their traditional dress but there are some people that looked like an Arab playing in casino.
But how do they able to go to a casino and play if they have not learned to gamble in their country - They must have been playing casino games probably in their backyard.

How about playing the game without betting money, is it allowed?

  

Islam religion is against gambling. Saudi Arabia is one of the country that strictly follows the laws mentioned in Quran. So, there is no chance of such thing to happen in Saudi Arabia. This seems to be a manipulated image. Arabs are found around the globe enjoying luxury with the money out of oil. Maybe these are some of those Arabs enjoying out of the country.

Even in Islam religion people are there who gamble and do things that are against Quran, but Saudi Arabia government never allows it within the country.

Images are easy to manipulate and change the viewers' perspective and reasoning. But with validation and a clear explanation of what's clearly happening, the context will be delivered and explained properly what was happening. At first look, we may really see that it's about gambling but until we don't have the valid reasoning for that image then don't assume that it is. We all know that country prohibits it and so we know that they're following laws not only with their country but also with their religion.

This is prohibited on Saudi, it’s just that people are violating their law just to get pleasure in gambling and of course to make money. Though it’s hard to confirm if they are Muslims or what but gambling is illegal in Saudi, maybe they play on the other country or some companies are operating in Saudi legally, that’s too hard to know if you’re not living in Saudi though.

How many did really actually play gambling on that particular area?It is a gambling establishment or  just inside of someones  home?When it  comes to regulation
then  for  sure they are really strict on implementing about those rules specially with prohibition.

Just as @Lanatsa mentioned above that it is a haram thing on  Islam then it is really surprising that they are really doing gambling.
If they do really like to play then they are aware on the prohibitions that had  been  set.

I'm impressed! Is this site what you showed is really trustworthy??
I would never imagine that an Islamic country could ever "accept" these kinds of things. (Of course not everyone agrees with this).

But I confess that I was impressed, as it seems that with each passing day some countries around the world are changing!!

There would  be no leaks and images if they weren't doing it  on the  first place.We can also determine if those pictures are edit ones or not.If we do talk about Muslim religion then gambling is purely

a haram things to them which it means its prohibited  https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-iran-horseracing-idUSLNE7A104I20111102 ..If they do actually play gambling then they do know
on what they are doing and since those are mostly big guys or rich person then everything could really be done according to their liking without minding
any Religion rules or whatsoever.

Look what a muslim site says about this situation: Former Imam Kaaba Inaugurates Cards Championship Angers Muslims

I'm not sure if that is really a casino, but the story is that a former Imam inaugurated a cards championship with his religious fellows in the Saudi capital of Riyadh, what disturbed the most traditional segments of the Islam in the country. I doubt there is much anyone can do about it, because there is a consensus Saudi Arabia is going more liberal day by day (of course it's a different liberalism from the western world), what is also noticeable in another areas, like for example in cultural sector, as the first cinema house will be opened in that country in two days, and more are to come for the next years.

Scenes like the ones presented in this thread are going to become more common from now on.

I'm not going to say about race, ethnicity or about religion because this is not a field I'm in charge of but I've heard about this and it went viral a few years ago.
and as far as I know this is the picture shown known the men are not playing casino gambling. The game played was the Baloot card which was held in Riyadh, in 2018. This tournament, according to Turnbackhoax, was held for 4 days with more than 12,000 players participating with a total prize of one million Saudi riyals for the top four teams. And this is the first time it has been held in an Arab country.
I will not discuss a religion in gambling but as far as I know after reading several sources, it is more precisely what I described above.
apart from Google or YouTube ads, it's a little more realistic because everyone can use this kind of thing, they can just copy-paste the image and replace it with another title, it's very easy to manipulate

I think that it's haram for the religion but I think that they must have some reservations to allow gambling in their country. Maybe the interest of the government and the religion is met and satisfied by the supposed gambling to which caused them to be allowed to operate. I think that a lot of people are breaking the laws in their religion, pretty sure about that, it's just that no one wants to admit that because they know the punishment especially Muslims.

Yes.. sure! That's a possibility!!
 
Saudi Arabia is a Muslim country and there are many people who follow / attend this religion.
I have a limited knowledge about this theme, but I was really curious to know how these kinds of things happen over there.

I think it's a hoax or something like that, and maybe some people are trying to provoke it, I don't think it's worth showing before a lot of Muslims see this. There are indeed some who do that anonymously, but judging from the whole… if it's seen by the government, that would certainly be a punishment.

I've checked one of the images that showed up on the link you posted because the images that the search engine are showing are cache from existing articles and blogs and online platforms, and this is the explanation of one of the blogs that shows one of the images in the search engine


You need to read one of the article to understand why it's showing in the internet

Propaganda Against Saudi Arabia As Viral ‘Card Game’ Conducted By Cleric Is Sport Not Gambling!

it's easy to believe what you see on the internet but you need an explanation from the right source to fully understand what these pictures are all about

Is that's true? I don't really understand about this subject, but isn't gambling in Saudi Arabia is crime or something like that?
Saudi Arabia is a very strict country about this kind of thing. But my question is, how the people can gambling anonymously?

Well this is something expected. Even if the laws are against it people will still do things like that. At the end of the day for these countries the laws are a little more pronounced because of the religious aspect therefore these images are even more controversial.
- Banning things doesn't exclude them entirely from the image, they rather hide them well.
- The government will for sure take strict measures to take care of this matter since it can enlist national upset.
- It's not a really bad thing if the government allows people more freedom and they can choose what's good for them, individually.

That's one of the best argument Vladimir Putin gives to address this issue , because how strict Saudi in regards to their religion but they want to extend in other countries in which  they are not respecting the religion and not allowing to have their own beliefs in their territory .
that is unfair so best to not let them also.
but about the Gambling in their country? i believe that there are many guerilla gambling operates silently and that is because there are many non islamic people lives on there.

This shows, once again, that banning these activities does not end them. It just relegates them to the black market. I suppose there will also be a market for local people but smaller.

As for the images, the fact that they play with cards doesn't mean it's gambling:

"Well Khomeinist, this isn't gambling but a popular game called Baloot in Saudi Arabia and Arabian gulf area.

Even clerks play this game, which is a fun game for many and it's played by Cards as you see."

Source: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/first-gambling-center-of-saudi-arabia-inaugurated-in-jeddah.552329/

Okay so I tried looking it up myself as OP said, most videos that I found with matching keywords were around 3-4 years ago. I tried sorting it for the latest, but most I found were local gambling videos and whatnot, and there's one news video about gambling but I couldn't be assed to watch it though it is the only one I actually found that was related to it. It may be just videos of SA citizens using VPN to access external gambling sites, just like what OP linked in "How to gamble in Saudi Arabia", who knows.

I only think about no matter how strict the country is to apply their rule, there will be hidden activities for people who play gambling, sex, drug, even terrorism. We can say that Saudi Arabia is an Islamic country with a rule that everything contains with an illegal is prohibit and if people are caught doing that thing, those people will get punished.

But those people will have underground places for those rich people or other people to spend their money for fun or breaking the law and their activities are under the government's radar. Or maybe the government know a little thing about that place and lets it operate because those owners give something to the government.

The government is still trying to eradicate the illegal thing in their country, but we know that is not easy as that illegal thing had already happened a long time ago.

People gamble everywhere, we need to get away from the idea its not a normal thing.  But within a highly religious governed nation such as that I doubt its offically sanctioned or especially allowed in normal procedure.  I'd be surprised if gambling wasnt occurring anyway but not quite so openly.   Every society has a variety of views not just the mainstream in power.

 Here in the west its normal to gamble and is often part of the fiscal budget as a form of voluntary tax though its not seen that way.  Gambling is quite essential to provide funding as a game and luxury type tax even while being state run in this way it becomes some positive to freedoms the west allows.
https://us.cnn.com/2021/08/14/us/south-carolina-man-wins-lottery-twice-trnd/index.html

I know most of us here has the same view that gambling in most part of the Middle East is illegal in terms of their religion and the government itself.

I don't know what kind of gambling strict rules that countries are implementing there but I have of friend mine working overseas in Saudi Arabia who shared a story with us the last time he came home, that they do gamble there.

I'm not just sure if they do gamble because it's allowed there or they are doing it but hiding in the authorities.

I have been in 2015 there for work and the images of google I don't know if are real or not.The fact is that there existed hidden underground casinos and sex escorts even there where Sharia Law (the Quran being the official constitution of kingdom) and they were mostly for foreigners.The kingdom knew about them and as long as their offering was only to foreigners they didn't care much,however there is one time where they shut one of such places down because of a knife injury happening there.

In conclusion based from what I saw there,it will be very difficult for you to find gambling or casinos there,your only bet is a VPN which bypass local ISP-s restrictions.And if you want to venture into such underground places most likely you will run into trouble there,better to stay away.

Well, the thing about "death by boredom" countries like Saudi Arabia is that is does not really matter if your are Arab, Cristian, Buddhist,... because there are certain rules in the country that apply to all. For example, an unmarried couple of expats from I a company I worked for were told that they could not live together because they were not married. We are talking about people who had been together for more than 10 years. I would not even consider what would have happened if they were gay.

So your personal beliefs do not matter, unless you are an atheist, in which case it matters:
I am no fan of Putin, but when Saudi Arabia asked for permission to build mosques in Russia to cater for the Muslim population, he said it was ok as long as churches could be built in Arabia. Obviously, that ended the conversation.

So it is not about gambling being allowed or not for certain groups, it is that the laws are applied to everyone.

Is Gambling prohibited in Islam?

How many people in Saudi Arabia are not Islam?
How many of them will break rules of their religion by gambling?

Hello: Bitcointalk community.

If I'm not mistaken I've read and seen the topic of gambling in Saudi Arabia, which is predominantly Muslim on Bitcointalk and I'm trying to check here: Your Expert Guide to Online Betting in Saudi Arabia,
clearly Saudi Arabian law says so.

But today I tried to search on google, Youtube, strangely contrary to what I read in the link and I actually found an image like the one below.

Picture


However, if you look again at Youtube, they (the Arabs) are actually playing real casino gambling.

So, that makes me curious and wondering about the casino gambling on Youtube and the google image is true or a hoax....!
What is the response about Islamic countries and their laws prohibiting gambling, but the opposite.

Note: Youtube (gambling in saudi arabia) you can search for yourself i have no right to display it here.