Topic: Immigration: Myths and Misconceptions (Read 2239 times)

Well, what you have posted is true. I have a number of liberal friends, and none of them works for more than 20 hours a week. And the worst part is that all of them want handouts from the governments and they will complain if they don't get them.

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I wouldn't go as far as calling it a mental illness either, but their beliefs are simply wrong. Most liberals are really just socialists who want to stop people from working hard.

I'm okay with calling what you so well describe a mental illness.

I wouldn't necessarily call it a mental illness, although the point could certainly be argued.  I see it as the ultimate in selfishness, to reach into the pockets of others to fund their own pet causes, and feeling a sense of entitlement to our earnings while doing it.

I am trying to imagine just who you think wants illegal immigration....but i can help, no one.

And when, may i ask, where our borders ever secure?

Never.

But, just so you know, they are more secure this day than ever in our history...more wall, more technology, more border patrol.

That we aren't sending enough back home? The Obama administration has expelled about the same number in six years as the Bush administration did in eight years.

On the topic of crimes...just what criminals do we embrace ever? none, so spare me your phony angst over illegals committing crimes, we have that angst over every crime from every source.

Look, I would love to take you seriously, but you do not consider the issues seriously, just  ignore facts and wail into the wind.

You ignore the thousands of convicted sexual predators that illegally cross the border and victimize Americans and instead opt to debate the use of legal terminology versus the pretty language lefties prefer and then claim you want to have an honest debate about illegal immigrants? Pathetic , simply pathetic.

Remember Chandra Levy? She is just one of thousands that would be alive today if our immigration laws were enforced, but the left seems to ignore these victims preferring to defend the illegal aliens who commit the crimes instead of the American victims of those crimes.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/metro/specials/chandra/ch6_1.html

While D.C. police focused most of their investigative efforts on Rep. Gary Condit and his relationship to missing intern Chandra Levy, they were slow to recognize another lead. It involved a man who was attacking women in the woods of Rock Creek Park.

The day Chandra disappeared, May 1, 2001, Ingmar A. Guandique, a 19-year-old illegal Salvadoran immigrant, did not show up for his construction job. Around that time, he went to stay with his former landlady, Sheila Phillips Cruz, the manager of an apartment building on Somerset Place NW. Cruz noticed that Guandique looked like he had been in a bad fight, his face battered and bruised. He had a fat lip, a bloody blemish in his eye and scratches around his throat.

Guandique (pronounced GWAN-dee-keh) had come from a hard-scrabble hamlet near the city of San Miguel in El Salvador. His father was kidnapped by guerrillas during the Salvadoran civil war, before Guandique's birth in 1981, and later executed. The son grew up in an adobe house with a dirt floor, no running water and an open pit for cooking meals. The home was decorated with family photos and pictures of Jesus Christ and the Virgin Mary taped to pink and white sheets of plastic that served as wallpaper.

Guandique wanted a better life in America. A friend of the family lent him $5,000 to pay a "coyote" to smuggle him across the Texas border with more than 50 others. The seventh-grade dropout left home in January 2000, eventually swimming across the Rio Grande, crossing the border near Piedras Negras and arriving in Houston in March 2000. From there, he made his way to Washington to join his half-brother, Huber, and other family friends.

Within a month, Guandique began picking up day jobs on construction sites and sending small amounts of money back home. He also had financial obligations to the family that paid his way. And he had another obligation: his ex-girlfriend, who was pregnant when Guandique left and later gave birth to a boy.

In fall 2000, Guandique met a new girl, Iris Portillo. She was a tiny woman; even though she was a year older than Guandique, she looked 13. In early 2001, Guandique began to live with Portillo and her mother in their apartment on Somerset Place. The young couple took walks near the National Zoo and picnicked in Rock Creek Park. He was enamored with her. He bought her jewelry, including a ring at a Georgia Avenue pawn shop.

Its amazing to watch these moon bats try to defend immigrants who have broke the law. Hence the term "illegal immigrant" which they have tried so hard to totally eliminate from our vocabulary by making it a politically incorrect term although it exact in its description.

Are we a land that believes in the "rule of law" or not? Under Obama it appears to be the latter. He seems to think that he should be able to ignore any law with which he does not agree. And since he is unable to get the democratically elected Congress to agree with him, he takes the law into his own hands or totally ignores the law.

Both Obama and Holder should be in jail cell right now.

Now to debate the issue raised above, while you lefties are whining about income disparity why are you promoting illegal immigration when the facts prove that it lowers wages across the board? Do you see the conflict there? Flooding the job market with cheap labor makes the rich richer and the middle class and poor poorer so why are you supporting greedy corps at the expense of Americas workers? Can you address that issue or is it still stupid for Americans to want a fair job market and wage increases? BTW I don't expect either of you to address the question because it would require an honest debate about the real factors regarding the costs to Americans. Once again the lefties side with greedy corps and conspire to keep workers wages down. And BTW driving up minimum wage only makes hiring illegal aliens under the table that much more attractive.

The above is what you call relevant and important to the issue of illegal immigration and below is what you call a stupid factor of illegal immigration and not worthy of debate. And you make that statement while claiming intellectual superiority when if fact the issues you raised are superficial and pointless and have little to do with the reasons we have immigration laws.
  $200 billion dollars per year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

"Immigrant" says nothing about one's nationality, or about how one entered a country. It simply denotes that someone has moved from a country of original inhabitation to the current country in which one lives. The terms immigrant and alien are interchangeable except for the status implied in the other, there is nothing that demands that we define the term according to immigration status except for you.

But what is heartening is that none of them have an argument against any of the actual points made, the best they can do is bluster and whine in their usual spiel.

We do often forget that the rightwing on this board is the marginal extreme, they represent but a teensy proportion of Americans, probably not even 1/10th of 1% in their constantly festering hatreds and grievances. There are far more intelligent boards out there--not all of them are the whirlpool of madness that this is: but frankly a) they'd be boring and b) I couldn't feel nearly as smart if I hung out with actually smart folks. I mean, seriously, the opposition on this board is laughably poor...

liberalism is indeed a mental illness.... the liberals are all for illegals... nancy pilosi welcomed them at the boarder... obama and the administration will not send anyone back, the liberals want to give them welfare and food stamps.... illegal immigrants have more rights than legal immigrants according the liberals.... the liberals don't give a shit about legal immigrants...

So, you want illegal aliens sent back? That's a switch, I thought you wanted them rewarded with amnesty and a citizenship. BTW all those criminal sex offenders that crossed the border, do you think they'll apply for amnesty or continue to hide in the shadows? And with all those new amnesty papers how long do you think it will take those criminals to forge new papers in another name?

and so therefore they try to make it seem as if republicans are against immigration when they are against  ILLEGAL immigration... there is a bid difference.... 

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/01/17/100-Increase-in-Previously-Deported-Sex-Offenders-Illegally-Coming-From-Mexico

The Del Rio Border Patrol sector, one of nine in total that exist along the U.S./Mexico border, is one of the less active sectors, and the CBP did not release information from the more active sectors. The sector, however, has seen eight previously-deported sex offenders in Fiscal Year 2014 alone, which began on October 1, 2013. The sector saw a total of sixteen previously deported sex offenders in the entire Fiscal Year 2013.

These numbers only represent the number of illegal alien sex offenders who are actually caught by Border Patrol agents, and the numbers do not represent the numbers who do not get caught — a number that is likely much higher. Further, these numbers are from one of nine sectors, and that the Del Rio sector is not as active with illegal crossings as are others; the numbers from all nine sectors are likely much higher.

The most recent case involves an illegal alien from Guatemala who was previously convicted in the U.S. of "Criminal Sexual Conduct- 2nd Degree-Sexual Contact" while he was illegally in the U.S previously. He was deported, then attempted his return. The illegal alien sex offender, Jose Bernal Barrientos-Mayorga, was referred to in a CBP press release as an "undocumented immigrant" rather than the legal term.

These cases echo another recent egregious situation where an illegal alien illegally entered the U.S., was deported, came back and sexually assaulted a woman in Houston, Texas, was deported again after prison, and then came right back illegally. In that case, the sex offender was simply set to be deported again by U.S. authorities.

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Texas/2014/03/6/Illegal-Aliens-Convicted-of-Child-Sex-Crimes-Arrested-Near-Mexican-Border

27 Illegal Aliens Convicted of Child Sex Crimes Arrested Near Mexican Border
EDINBURG, TEXAS--27 illegal immigrants and convicted sex offenders were apprehended by U.S. Border Patrol agents in February. 15 illegal immigrants who are members of violent street gangs were also taken into custody that month. The arrests happened in the Rio Grande Valley area.

Two additional men, one convicted for murder and another convicted for voluntary man slaughter, were also arrested in the area that month.

11 of the arrested gang members belong to the Los Angeles-based Mara Salvatrucha gang, better known as MS-13. The four others men were members of the 18th Street gang.

Disturbingly, the majority of the illegal immigrants arrested for sexual crimes committed such assaults against children. Various charges against the individuals include felony child sexual contact, lewd acts with a child, sexual exploitation of a child, and sexual assault of a child.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/illegal-immigrant-sex-offenders/2013/09/16/id/525878/


Nearly 3,000 Illegal Immigrant Sex Offenders Released Under Court Order

Some 2,837 illegal immigrants convicted of sexual offenses were recently cut loose from American jails to comply with a Supreme Court order that says immigrants cannot be held if their home countries refuse to take them back, according to The Washington Times.

That was just a small percentage of the nearly 59,347 released from jail as of September of last year due to the court order. Since they could not be deported, they were released under some form of supervision, the Times reported.

there is nothing wrong with immigration, that was never the issue... there is something wrong with ILLEGAL immigration.... thats the issue that the liberals don't want to discuss.... and so therefore they try to make it seem as if republicans are against immigration when they are against  ILLEGAL immigration... there is a bid difference....

No one is "giving away" citizenship here!

Then I worked with a guy who was born in S. Africa and migrated to Canada with the express purpose of migrating to the US. He was angered by illegal aliens and the thought of giving them amnesty when he and his family waited 5 years to legally enter and spent thousands complying with the law. He said he was proud of the day he became an American and was raising his children to be proud Americans even tho they were born in SA. His citizenship was something he was very proud of earning and it angered him that Americans would think so little of that right that they would give it away to criminals or anyone that simply walked across the border.

I worked with a guy from southern mexico that had legally migrated to Canada and was working in the US. When the day came that he was to be sworn in as a citizen of Canada I asked him if he was excited about his new citizenship. He said he was because as a citizen of Canada he could work anywhere in the world and make the big bucks so he could buy a condo in Toronto, pay if off and then retire in mexico on the profits. He had no real desire to be a Canadian much like many have no real desire to be American, they just want the perks that come with the citizenship.

The problem is the cheap labor drives EVERYONE'S pay down. YOU ARE CHEAP LABOR.