Topic: Implications of a Hillary Presidency: Non-Traditional & Hard Assets? (Read 1149 times)

Maybe I despaired a tad too soon.  I hope you're right, iamnotback.  Yes, most of the reliable polls have Trump winning the debate.  Still behind though in the election polls.

A new meme going around is that Hillary may suffer a BACKLASH, as ordinary Americans tire of the Clinton Team's dirty tricks aided and abetted by our corrupt and compromised MainStream Media.

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Let's get back to non-traditional assets.  iamnotback, I will present one in a couple of days that you will probably have positive comments on...  

I think Trump is still alive after the debate, he did well considering the very difficult situation, but being realistic, I think he has very low chances of being president.

With Hillary I predict nothing happening, gold, BTC and everything else will stay the same in my book.

I think that with Hillary at the helm the world stability has higher chances to get undermined, and you can expect more war and more corruption out of her presidency. That's the way Hillary is perceived across the world. Trump is a demagogue in his own right, but he is not a fool. Some say that Trump is even more of an establishment figure than Hillary, but now when his own party is betraying him, he has no other choice but to follow his anti-establishment rhetoric.

Apparently your assumption is incorrect:

Short-term the US dollar. After 2017/18 or so, probably Bitcoin and gold. After 2020 or so, probably emerging markets.

Regardless of the USA election outcome.

Quick education on the Hillary defending a rapist thing:

• It wasn't her choice, she was appointed by the court...legally she had to defend this guy
• She didn't laugh about the fact that the guy got off, the Trump team (or whatever super PAC) that released the chopped up video took some actions out of context
• Here are the facts: http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-freed-child-rapist-laughed-about-it/
  

Hillary sucks, by the way. She's totally dishonest and it's embarrassing to watch so many people praise her and ignore how corrupt she is. That's how bad the US political system is right now, they literally don't care that she is corrupt. Might as well elect Putin! And Trump, obviously is fucking joke. He's a clown for the establishment he hates and is trying to destroy.

As for Bitcoin, I don't think either candidate will have much effect but if you're looking for an answer...a Trump presidency would have more positive impact on bitcoin than Hillary because the perception of world stability will go down when he's in office. Maybe it's hype or maybe he really is bat shit crazy, but all the market needs to react is perception and hype and speculation.

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Pray tell what those three chemicals (sodium hypochlorite, acetone and ethanol) are used for -- in combination I presume?

After a little more discussion on high-end guns, I have something probably right up your alley...  

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Also interested in the investment value of specialty guns (as I described above).  That AK I bought (a joint-venture version made by the original plant in Izhevsk ("Saiga" brand) and Arsenal of NV (some US parts)) for $1100 (bought six years ago) some three years ago retailed at $2995!  Wow!  Almost a triple!  That would have been about the best investment possible from 6 years ago til then.  And it was a nice gun, I almost regret selling it.

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Imagine what these would go for should Hillary try to seize these guns...:

http://onlylongrange.com/bad-news-338-lapua-magnum/

I visited those guys (Montana) once long ago, wrote 'em up at my blog.

That .338 Lapua is a $6000 gun.  Imagine what a piece like that would cost 3 years into a Hillary administration...  The rounds cost some $5.00 each (Hornady NOT recommended by Noreen), FYI lots of ammo of all calibers found here:

http://gunbot.net/ammo/rifle/338lapua/

gunbot.net is a fun little site.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5PqbKiLp0s

Agreed, should be the death knell for him.  But never underestimate the stupidity of the average American voter.  Evidence for that is that Trump has gotten this far in the race, which absolutely blows my mind.

I'm loving hard assets and bitcoin right now.  We are in trouble if Trump gets elected, but I do think he's a good businessman.  Scumbag, but good with money.

I like the train of your thoughts! Regarding reaching out and touching someone, it is interesting to guesstimate how long she would last herself if she wouldn't listen to your prayers and still decided on mass confiscation of guns. Rumors have surfaced that her days are numbered anyway, so why the establishment would not want to sacrifice her for their own nefarious purposes? In my view, martyrdom would become her better than slowly rotting away in the White House for the next four (eight) years.

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OK, time for a really non-traditional asset...

Again, based upon a Hillary Presidency, I propose discussion of high-end guns.  At a bare minimum Hillary is anti-gun and will do "whatever it takes" to slap on more restrictions on gun ownership (and related issues of buying, registration, ammo).  How far she would try to go is unknown.

I'll concede that she will NOT try a mass confiscation, which would be ignored anyway.

But, certain firearms would seem to be possible "investments":

1)  Semi-automatic rifles (AR-15, AK-47).  I bought one for $1100 a few years ago which (used) I sold for $1200.  Semi-autos are already under a microscope, any restrictions on their imports/sales/etc. will almost surely drive prices way up.  Right now in most states the rules of buying a plain old .308 or an AK are the same.  This may change, maybe even by Executive Order.

2)  Similar comments for handguns, especially those with high capacity magazines.  And/or "hollow point" ammunition.

3)  I would think specialty items like .338 Lapua and Winchester .300 Magnum.  Sniping rifles.  Reach out and touch someone a mile away.

4)  Scarce and/or antique firearms that would be collectible for other than firepower...

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I look forward to thoughts on this non-traditional investment.

After some discussion, I have more ideas...   

You're right. But the vast majority of the press and potential voters is ignoring this quite obvious aspect. In my opinion, Hillary is a wolf in sheep's clothing while Trump in comparison might actually be a sheep in wolfs clothing. Trump is not as dumb as he is perceived by large parts of the (media) establishment. His campaign is tailored at gathering votes from the vast number of frustrated Americans, who feel betrayed by the establishment.

What Trump says today to become president might be an entirely different thing than what he actually does once he is president.

I'm not a fan of any candidate, because neither Hillary nor Trump is libertarian. But to me, Trump clearly is the lesser evil, because the Clinton clan is highly corrupt and heavily interconnected with the fiat banking elites.

ya.ya.yo!

We will see more senseless wars for Oil under the blanket of terrorism and increased Police state governance and continued debt spiraling out of control. Then you will see riots, like we have seen with other countries and this will have a global economic impact on the innocent people in other countries. ^hmmmm^

You cannot go on anything these politicians are saying now, they are concentrating on gathering votes. Empty promises will be made and the opposite will be done, when they achieve their goal. 

Land with access to water would be incredibly valuable. Even more valuable if it is connected to a glacier or some constant and easily replenishable source and not an aquifer or similar. The only issue? The land is stuck, and likely won't be moved. Having your own land allows for you to effectively be self-sufficient at any time, as long as yu know how to grow stuff.

Water being the next big investment? Possibly. It likely will be a hot-topic issue in 20-30 years, and countries like Canada and northern European countries will become far more valuable due to natural snow and glacier deposits.

As for cropland or commercial land (or houses), we're bound to see a correction with the market soon, I'd avoid buying for right now to be honest.

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The only problem I have with land (including farmland) is that it is easy to tax -- hard to hide and even harder to move.

Otherwise, yes, it might be a good investment, especially if it can produce (crops, woodlands).  Last I read, cropland is expensive though (and so a low rate of return on your investment).

Commercial real estate now?  Not a buy IMO.  Same with housing in most of the USA.

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I have seen water (related) investments as an interesting investment for the future.  I don't know enough to comment though.

What about investing in acres of land? There is a saying "God created land once and he will not create any more of them."

If there was a scarce resource in this world then it would be land. Land with a clean water source would be most valuable especially in these times that climate change is threatening the world with famine and drought. I would not mind having my own piece of land and try to live off the land.

Did some of you see the "Big Short" movie? Remember the weird character portrayed by Christian Bale? He was the guy who first knew that the financial crisis was coming but he was off in his timing. He believes water is the next big investment to enter.

If Bitcoin succeeds, they will use it as an excuse to cover up their failures.
Just like Trump is railing about how globalization is the cause of American problems now.

Hillary is by all means a puppet, and as such, like what has already been said, expect for expanded welfare programs (and similar), an increase in taxes, likely more joblessness (I'll expand in a bit on this) and likely you'll see an extreme downturn in the American personal financial statistics.

Welfare programs: Well, everything is planned to be expanded (metaphorically and literally).

Taxes: Check the policies. Everyone but those under $20,000-ish receive an increase. Of course guess who'll be able to bypass those...

Unemployment: Wants to start a "National Reserve Service" where millennials and other citizens are used to go and """voluntarily""" rebuild infrastructure, work on other projects and so, etc. while giving employers "incentives" to hire people who put more hours towards these projects. Couple this with illegal immigrants being given amnesty and citizenship (and being able to want to work for less than minimum wage) and more ""refugees"" who will eventually find their way into the work-world, AND automation becoming increasingly common, AND a $15 minimum wage means that the low-wage employment sectors would be absolutely destroyed for  American citizens. Coupled with slipping wages for the rest of the economy and a divide occurring between wages and productivity, and we're looking at more unemployment sooner rather than later.

Hillary has a higher chance to ban Bitcoin (or heavily tax it), Trump will likely ignore it. If he did care, he would more than likely give it caveats so it didn't have many taxes placed on it, similar to the rest of his economic plan.

You hit the nail on the head! But what if people massively start to look for safe havens? Gold seems to be the first in line, but this is surely not what authorities might want. I mean people running for gold after they hear about aeroplane money. Let's call it gold rush. Should we thus conclude that any such asset would be taxed to the limit or otherwise made prohibitively expensive to own in order to make people stick to paper money, a new Hillary dollar?