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Quote from: Lieldoryn on April 19, 2017, 04:47:10 PM

I saw on TV how the Japanese kill whales and dolphins. It was awful. It seems to me that there should be international inspectors who will monitor and seize vessels. You can even trade sanctions against Japan to enter if they do not stop hunting whales and dolphins.

It is not just the Japanese. If I am correct, then the Icelanders, Faroe Islanders and the Norwegians also hunt whales (not sure about the dolphins). In addition to that some of the aboriginal communities in Russia, Alaska, and the island of Bequia also hunt whales.

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Russia has long been active in the Arctic and wants to get power over this land there. But I think the decision will last for several years and there will be no war. Well, at least because it's too cold and not very comfortable to fight. In addition, attention is now exacerbated by other problems.

In the land and natural resources are interested in many countries. When the number of applicants always have disputes. The world situation is so tense that it may well start a war. As for the cold it is hard for everyone, everyone will be in a difficult position. So chances will be equal.

I think that there is a ban on extracting natural resources from the Antarctic. We should have a similar ban or moratorium in the Arctic (perhaps supported by the UN), to preserve the delicate ecosystem there.

Let's see what is happening in the world. Now crumble all the international agreements and can not trust anyone. I don't think such a Treaty will be respected. The UN has long been shown to be ineffective in resolving international conflicts and not be able to guarantee compliance with the Treaty.

It is similar to the ban on whaling. Officially, it is illegal to hunt all types of whales. But countries such as Japan and Iceland have found loopholes in this regulation, and they are now openly hunting whales. The Japs term their whale hunting as research oriented, but they sell the whale meat (including that from the endangered blue whale) in the Japanese supermarkets.

I saw on TV how the Japanese kill whales and dolphins. It was awful. It seems to me that there should be international inspectors who will monitor and seize vessels. You can even trade sanctions against Japan to enter if they do not stop hunting whales and dolphins.

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Quote from: Lacander on April 18, 2017, 01:26:54 PM

Russia has long been active in the Arctic and wants to get power over this land there. But I think the decision will last for several years and there will be no war. Well, at least because it's too cold and not very comfortable to fight. In addition, attention is now exacerbated by other problems.

In the land and natural resources are interested in many countries. When the number of applicants always have disputes. The world situation is so tense that it may well start a war. As for the cold it is hard for everyone, everyone will be in a difficult position. So chances will be equal.

I think that there is a ban on extracting natural resources from the Antarctic. We should have a similar ban or moratorium in the Arctic (perhaps supported by the UN), to preserve the delicate ecosystem there.

Let's see what is happening in the world. Now crumble all the international agreements and can not trust anyone. I don't think such a Treaty will be respected. The UN has long been shown to be ineffective in resolving international conflicts and not be able to guarantee compliance with the Treaty.

It is similar to the ban on whaling. Officially, it is illegal to hunt all types of whales. But countries such as Japan and Iceland have found loopholes in this regulation, and they are now openly hunting whales. The Japs term their whale hunting as research oriented, but they sell the whale meat (including that from the endangered blue whale) in the Japanese supermarkets.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 18, 2017, 08:29:02 PM

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Quote from: Lacander on April 18, 2017, 01:26:54 PM

Russia has long been active in the Arctic and wants to get power over this land there. But I think the decision will last for several years and there will be no war. Well, at least because it's too cold and not very comfortable to fight. In addition, attention is now exacerbated by other problems.

In the land and natural resources are interested in many countries. When the number of applicants always have disputes. The world situation is so tense that it may well start a war. As for the cold it is hard for everyone, everyone will be in a difficult position. So chances will be equal.

I think that there is a ban on extracting natural resources from the Antarctic. We should have a similar ban or moratorium in the Arctic (perhaps supported by the UN), to preserve the delicate ecosystem there.

Indeed, extracting any natural resources from the Antarctic is forbidden, but I dont really think that any of the richest countries, and from those who are military strong will care about that ban.
It will be some kind of a race, race for domination on the Earth. If any country would be able to overcome the others, and have possibility to constantly exploit the Antarctic, it would have gotten such a advantage among the rest, that It would be even harder to fight against such a monstrum.

All this is science-ficition obviously, because nothing like that is going to happen in our times, I would predict that it may occur in next 50 years, when ice will molt.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 18, 2017, 08:29:02 PM

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Quote from: Lacander on April 18, 2017, 01:26:54 PM

Russia has long been active in the Arctic and wants to get power over this land there. But I think the decision will last for several years and there will be no war. Well, at least because it's too cold and not very comfortable to fight. In addition, attention is now exacerbated by other problems.

In the land and natural resources are interested in many countries. When the number of applicants always have disputes. The world situation is so tense that it may well start a war. As for the cold it is hard for everyone, everyone will be in a difficult position. So chances will be equal.

I think that there is a ban on extracting natural resources from the Antarctic. We should have a similar ban or moratorium in the Arctic (perhaps supported by the UN), to preserve the delicate ecosystem there.

Let's see what is happening in the world. Now crumble all the international agreements and can not trust anyone. I don't think such a Treaty will be respected. The UN has long been shown to be ineffective in resolving international conflicts and not be able to guarantee compliance with the Treaty.

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Quote from: Lancusters on April 18, 2017, 06:29:04 PM

Quote from: Lacander on April 18, 2017, 01:26:54 PM

Russia has long been active in the Arctic and wants to get power over this land there. But I think the decision will last for several years and there will be no war. Well, at least because it's too cold and not very comfortable to fight. In addition, attention is now exacerbated by other problems.

In the land and natural resources are interested in many countries. When the number of applicants always have disputes. The world situation is so tense that it may well start a war. As for the cold it is hard for everyone, everyone will be in a difficult position. So chances will be equal.

Perhaps there is a secret world government underground and they will not allow anyone to conquer and destroy this piece of the planet.

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Quote from: Lancusters on April 18, 2017, 06:29:04 PM

Quote from: Lacander on April 18, 2017, 01:26:54 PM

Russia has long been active in the Arctic and wants to get power over this land there. But I think the decision will last for several years and there will be no war. Well, at least because it's too cold and not very comfortable to fight. In addition, attention is now exacerbated by other problems.

In the land and natural resources are interested in many countries. When the number of applicants always have disputes. The world situation is so tense that it may well start a war. As for the cold it is hard for everyone, everyone will be in a difficult position. So chances will be equal.

I think that there is a ban on extracting natural resources from the Antarctic. We should have a similar ban or moratorium in the Arctic (perhaps supported by the UN), to preserve the delicate ecosystem there.

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If you don't know this already then let me tell you, there are already 3 times more water inside the earth flowing in lava and there are already 10 times of whatever we have of resources on the surface in side the earth again in lava, we already have the technology to build artificial islands in the sea and will soon do it in oceans, but I guess as long as you think about only about living in this world then as science has already proved, earth will be completely gone in the next 2 billion years and probably much sooner than that.

Btw, you can't go in north or south poles as military forces will stop you, and there are already some rumors about Nazis having an under ground base in Antarctica so I don't know what to believe really Cheesy

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Quote from: Lacander on April 18, 2017, 01:26:54 PM

Russia has long been active in the Arctic and wants to get power over this land there. But I think the decision will last for several years and there will be no war. Well, at least because it's too cold and not very comfortable to fight. In addition, attention is now exacerbated by other problems.

In the land and natural resources are interested in many countries. When the number of applicants always have disputes. The world situation is so tense that it may well start a war. As for the cold it is hard for everyone, everyone will be in a difficult position. So chances will be equal.

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Quote from: gentlemand on April 18, 2017, 10:36:11 AM

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on April 18, 2017, 05:48:51 AM

Arctic and the Antarctic are the last remaining wild frontiers of our planet. As the population increases, people will try to occupy previously uninhabited regions such as these polar zones. Very soon the competition for resources will shift to the moon and mars.

I dunno about resources, we seem to be doing pretty good on that, but this lack of space thing befuddles me a little.

Take a drive around the USA. Most of it is completely empty. The UK has ten times the population density yet I can stroll out my door and not see a sign of human activity for multiple hours.

The more developed the world becomes the lower the population growth until eventually it levels off then falls. We'll probably peak within the next 50-100 years and then start working our way down again.

As with more and more people, you do not understand the concept of frontier. The universe is not an apartment complex.

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Russia has long been active in the Arctic and wants to get power over this land there. But I think the decision will last for several years and there will be no war. Well, at least because it's too cold and not very comfortable to fight. In addition, attention is now exacerbated by other problems.

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Quote from: Yanisumin on April 18, 2017, 07:31:29 AM

Yup this is possible, Arctic has known to it's cold climate. Where you can store food and supplies without requirening artificial refrigeration ( I think they already have this kind of vault ). When big countries is at need at these kind of things I think there will be a declamation of ownership which may lead to conflicts and war.

Or you can just dig a big hole under your house and store supplies there. People used to call it a "cellar". Arctic as a storage facility is preposterous, as the resources needed for back and forth transport are and are going to be enormous.

The climate sure is getting warmer little by little, but that doesnt mean more ground for agriculture either. Like in Siberia or northern Canada, majority of Arctic land is made up of permaculture that will just turn into frigid swamp once ice is gone. Nothing but simplest plants and insects will live there then.

On the other hand, old ice is home to some long forgotten viruses and microbes, some of which resemble nothing else on Earth. Just check the various underground lakes, that has been isolated from outside world for thousands of years. Could be interesting. For better or worse.

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Quote from: gentlemand on April 18, 2017, 10:36:11 AM

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on April 18, 2017, 05:48:51 AM

Arctic and the Antarctic are the last remaining wild frontiers of our planet. As the population increases, people will try to occupy previously uninhabited regions such as these polar zones. Very soon the competition for resources will shift to the moon and mars.

I dunno about resources, we seem to be doing pretty good on that, but this lack of space thing befuddles me a little.

Take a drive around the USA. Most of it is completely empty. The UK has ten times the population density yet I can stroll out my door and not see a sign of human activity for multiple hours.

The more developed the world becomes the lower the population growth until eventually it levels off then falls. We'll probably peak within the next 50-100 years and then start working our way down again.

The human population will continue to grow for at least the next 100 years, driven by increases from Africa and the Muslim world. Whatever reduction is achieved in regions such as North America and Europe will be neutralized by the population explosion from the Sub-Saharan Africa and the Middle East. By then, the world population will be around 13 billion. Hardly any forest will be left, and the majority of the population will be living in slums.

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The struggle for resources in the Arctic has been going on for a long time and could turn into a global war. If the climate becomes warmer, then more ice will melt and the struggle for this place will be even stronger.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on April 18, 2017, 05:48:51 AM

Arctic and the Antarctic are the last remaining wild frontiers of our planet. As the population increases, people will try to occupy previously uninhabited regions such as these polar zones. Very soon the competition for resources will shift to the moon and mars.

I dunno about resources, we seem to be doing pretty good on that, but this lack of space thing befuddles me a little.

Take a drive around the USA. Most of it is completely empty. The UK has ten times the population density yet I can stroll out my door and not see a sign of human activity for multiple hours.

The more developed the world becomes the lower the population growth until eventually it levels off then falls. We'll probably peak within the next 50-100 years and then start working our way down again.

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OP, next time please don't smash us into a wall of text. Tongue

Back to topic, the ever increasing warm climate is making the Arctic much more navigable than in previous centuries. The littoral states would definitely arm twist each other for control of new routes that would be opening up. Russia in particular would welcome a warmer Arctic, considering it's lack of good seaports (hence the need for Crimea).

As for China they don't have a border near the Arctic so they really don't have any legitimate claim for resources there so we probably wouldn't expect them to be as aggressive as they are in the East and South China Seas. They do have an interest in the routes though since the more trade routes you can access, the better. Being able to buy Arctic oil is also favorable to them since there are less choke points to go through shipping it to China, compared to those bought from the Middle East.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on April 18, 2017, 05:48:51 AM

Arctic and the Antarctic are the last remaining wild frontiers of our planet. As the population increases, people will try to occupy previously uninhabited regions such as these polar zones. Very soon the competition for resources will shift to the moon and mars.

Of course they will, because wherever humanity lives, all resources are already exhausted, and for the life of the next generation, it is necessary to seek and win new resources.

No wonder some compare humanity to a virus. No, not even our own solar system would be enough for us.

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Yes, perhaps there will be a third world war between the strongest states in the struggle for resources. It is necessary to divide the entire planet into pieces

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Yup this is possible, Arctic has known to it's cold climate. Where you can store food and supplies without requirening artificial refrigeration ( I think they already have this kind of vault ). When big countries is at need at these kind of things I think there will be a declamation of ownership which may lead to conflicts and war.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on April 18, 2017, 05:48:51 AM

Arctic and the Antarctic are the last remaining wild frontiers of our planet. As the population increases, people will try to occupy previously uninhabited regions such as these polar zones. Very soon the competition for resources will shift to the moon and mars.

Of course they will, because wherever humanity lives, all resources are already exhausted, and for the life of the next generation, it is necessary to seek and win new resources.

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Quote from: Lancusters on April 17, 2017, 05:39:36 PM

The battle for resources in the Arctic will be required. The warmer the climate on the earth the less snow and ice in the Arctic and the easier it will be to get there oil and gas. I think Putin had the theme to distract the Russian defeats on the political front, and maintain the image of a strong Russia.

In fact, that might be a reason of a war in future, as you said, every year our climate is getting warmer.
There are real treasures hidden on Arctic, there is so many different kind of resources necessary for different branches of the industry, that the country which will overcome the others, and take control on the Arctic, will have the dominant position among the others. I assume that might happen in the times, where the human exctinction will already start, in the times, where there is a lack of supplies for further technology development, lack of water and food supply.

I hope that we will avoid this fate, however it is still possible that these times will never come, because of the nuclear war that will destroy the whole planet.

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