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Topic: Incentive to the Merit Sources to Achieve their Quota? (Read 688 times)

legendary
Activity: 3290
Merit: 16489
Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021
I am not sure if everyone who "deserves" merit has received at least one merit or not.
Me neither, that's why I said they won't have enough to rank up (10+).

The things on the forum which encourage spam are allowed mainly because it's part of the forum's mission to be as free as possible. Eg. banning bounties would undoubtedly reduce spam, but that'd be destroying an entire economy/population/culture which has been able to develop due to the forum's freedom. I am willing to take this sort of action, but only as an absolute last resort. It's always preferable to handle these problems by reshaping the environment to make them non-problems, rather than removing some freedom.
copper member
Activity: 2996
Merit: 2374
I am not sure if this is a accurate representation of the percentage of users who have sufficient post quality to be deserving merit. Maybe if theymos were to run a report of the number of users who meet all of the below criteria, we could compare that number to how many users have received merit:
  • At least one post in the last 6 months
  • Average post length, excluding BB code, outside of any quote tags to be greater than 100 characters
  • Total time logged in divided by number of posts is greater than 3 minutes
  • No bans in the past year
I think it's safe to assume users who didn't receive any merit at all don't deserve to rank up. In other words: I think it's very unlikely anybody with many good post quality would have received at least one Merit by now. That means you can ignore all others for this analysis.

For the rest: Let me take a random number between 500 and 1000: random.org gives 631.
This is number 631:
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   631. 50 Merit received by mthcl (#168348) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
mthcl has received 50 Merit in one transaction. for a recently deleted post (I know it's recent, because I could scrape the title not so long ago). I highly doubt it was worth 50 Merit.
Most of his posts are in Russian, so I can't read them, and he's only made one post this year.

Let's do this again: random.org gives 873:
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   873. 37 Merit received by pvk444 (#923699) from 14 unique users in 15 transactions
pvk444 has received 37 Merit in 15 transactions. He seems like a decent poster, but his last post was more than 2 months ago.

Feel free to analyse a few more, but my guess is you'll find a lot of Merit abuse, and not many posters who should have been able to rank up by now.
I think you have found some examples of users receiving merit that were probably not deserved. In some cases this may have been people giving merits to their actual friends who happen to not make good posts, while in others, this may have been people giving merit to their alternate accounts (and there may be some cases in which people have given merit to random people to 'try it out').

I am not sure if everyone who "deserves" merit has received at least one merit or not. I know we have a problem with people making shit posts, and spamming the forum, however I somewhat find it hard to believe this problem is so bad that less than 1/50th of 1% of active users are deserving merit. If the problem really is so bad that >99.8% of active users do not deserve merit, then frankly, the solution is to get rid of signatures.
legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
https://bpip.org
GTFO this forum and find a new home.

Just report them to mods... don't waste time replying, they will never come back to read or respond.
legendary
Activity: 2898
Merit: 1253
So anyway, I applied as a merit source :)
I think your idea is good, it will encourage merit circulation increasing to reward the good post in high quality classification.
The idea is bad and is evident by the discussion and points raised by other people here. Do you even read the replies before you post (or shitpost)?

some of them will only misuse merit source only to get incentive only
Being a merit source is itself and incentive - like a new role in shaping the forum. In my opinion no other incentive is needed and hence if there is no so-called "monetary" incentive, how will misuse happen?
newbie
Activity: 8
Merit: 0
Given that there are reports that the current actual number of merits given in the past months did not meet the expected merits for circulation, please let me propose an idea.

Give an incentive to the Merit Sources for them to be proactive in achieving their quota.

This will serve as a positive reinforcement to the Merit Sources to encourage them to attain the quota of number of merits for circulation for the month (or for a given period).

An incentive can be a form of payment (bitcoin?), special privilege (additional feature on their profile?), or anything that is beneficial to them.

What do you think?


some of them will only misuse merit source only to get incentive only
copper member
Activity: 630
Merit: 420
We are Bitcoin!
I made a list, updated weekly.
Last Friday, 100 users had received at least 180 Merit, and 316 users had received 90 Merit.
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137. 150 Merit received by mdayonliner (#1432468) from 64 unique users in 94 transactions
I am very happy with this  Cheesy
legendary
Activity: 2338
Merit: 10802
There are lies, damned lies and statistics. MTwain
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Besides, one of the most confrontational parts of the merit system is that merits are given 1 by 1, the most of the time. I think this make truly difficult to rank-up, so I kind of understand how can a good poster get desperate, for example, ranking-up from member to full member is going to take a while, at least you are a genius (there are few in this forum by the way).
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Just to backup your argument with data, the number of sMerits awarded per TX during the current month of June (01/06/2018 .. 22/06/2018) is as follows:
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Merit NumTX %
1 4.136 68,30%
2 942 15,55%
3 233 3,85%
4 93 1,54%
5 395 6,52%
6 46 0,76%
7 14 0,23%
8 4 0,07%
9 4 0,07%
10 107 1,77%
11+ 82 1,35%

So 68,30% of awarding involves 1 sMerit, an additional 15,55% involves 2 sMerits, and 16,15% of TXs involve 3 or more sMerits.

Contrary to what I believed, these proportions are roughly the same whether we focus on this current month, or we consider the whole history of transactions from January 2018 onwards.


The question is perhaps not only the number of merits per TXs, but the number of times a post actualy gets merited (number of different meriters). The overall distribution is as follows:
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nTXs nPosts %
1 45.513 81,43%
2 6.372 11,40%
3 1.932 3,46%
4 786 1,41%
5 404 0,72%
6 255 0,46%
7 139 0,25%
8 119 0,21%
9 70 0,13%
10 48 0,09%
11+ 255 0,46%

81,43% of posts have been merited only by one person, another 11,40% by two people, and so on.

Maybe there is a kind of "the post has already been merited before/got enough merits" hand brake that works behind our awarding habits.

EDIT:  Added the above to the Merit Dashboard (Post Summary Tab), although still needs a bit of tweaking .
legendary
Activity: 3290
Merit: 16489
Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021
I am not sure if this is a accurate representation of the percentage of users who have sufficient post quality to be deserving merit. Maybe if theymos were to run a report of the number of users who meet all of the below criteria, we could compare that number to how many users have received merit:
  • At least one post in the last 6 months
  • Average post length, excluding BB code, outside of any quote tags to be greater than 100 characters
  • Total time logged in divided by number of posts is greater than 3 minutes
  • No bans in the past year
I think it's safe to assume users who didn't receive any merit at all don't deserve to rank up. In other words: I think it's very unlikely anybody with many good post quality would have received at least one Merit by now. That means you can ignore all others for this analysis.

For the rest: Let me take a random number between 500 and 1000: random.org gives 631.
This is number 631:
Code:
  631. 50 Merit received by mthcl (#168348) from 1 unique users in 1 transactions
mthcl has received 50 Merit in one transaction. for a recently deleted post (I know it's recent, because I could scrape the title not so long ago). I highly doubt it was worth 50 Merit.
Most of his posts are in Russian, so I can't read them, and he's only made one post this year.

Let's do this again: random.org gives 873:
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  873. 37 Merit received by pvk444 (#923699) from 14 unique users in 15 transactions
pvk444 has received 37 Merit in 15 transactions. He seems like a decent poster, but his last post was more than 2 months ago.

Feel free to analyse a few more, but my guess is you'll find a lot of Merit abuse, and not many posters who should have been able to rank up by now.
copper member
Activity: 2996
Merit: 2374
That is, 93,33% have between awarded between 1 and 29 sMerits since the Merit System kick-off, 3,64% between 30 and 59, 1,15% between 60 and 89 and only 1,88% are in the range of having received 90 sMerits or above...


I made a list, updated weekly.
Last Friday, 100 users had received at least 180 Merit, and 316 users had received 90 Merit.

Thanks for this.

It looks like roughly 0.6% of users (who have received merit) are receiving sufficient merit to rank up in a timely fashion, and an additional 1.28% of users are accumulating sufficient merit to rank up at half the rate that activity would previously allow. This doesn't account for the thousands of people who have received zero merit. A good number of members who have received a lot of merit do not need any merit to rank up.

According to Vod's BPIP, there are over a million active accounts, although I am not sure how many of them are spam accounts that have been banned. But by any reasonable measure, well under 1% of active accounts have received any merit at all.

I am not sure if this is a accurate representation of the percentage of users who have sufficient post quality to be deserving merit. Maybe if theymos were to run a report of the number of users who meet all of the below criteria, we could compare that number to how many users have received merit:
  • At least one post in the last 6 months
  • Average post length, excluding BB code, outside of any quote tags to be greater than 100 characters
  • Total time logged in divided by number of posts is greater than 3 minutes
  • No bans in the past year


hero member
Activity: 1680
Merit: 655
How can it be considered as conflict of interest?  

The way I see it is members receiving merits from merit sources are being grateful from the merits they have received therefore they are giving merits as a way of showing gratitude.

The more merits they are receiving means the more merits they can sent back again.

 This is merit trading. This is the conflict I was talking about.. it's positive only to who is involved in this trade...

But this is not happening. At least I have never seen it.

And merit sources have more smerits than good posts to merit.
But did day ask for the merits to be send back to them? I don't think it can be called "merit trading" if the merit sources have good post themselves, I don't think we can deny the fact that sending them merits for their meritable post is a bad thing to do, even if that merit sender is the one who has received merits from the merit source itself. If you want to see what merit trading really is go check some DT members' trust summary and search for their negative trust they are giving to merit abusers.
legendary
Activity: 3290
Merit: 16489
Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021
Being 6 months into the Merit system, how many users have received at least 180 merit? What about 90 merit?
I made a list, updated weekly.
Last Friday, 100 users had received at least 180 Merit, and 316 users had received 90 Merit.
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     1. 2194 Merit received by theymos (#35) from 463 unique users in 667 transactions
     2. 1034 Merit received by satoshi (#3) from 107 unique users in 129 transactions
     3. 730 Merit received by nullius (#976210) from 126 unique users in 354 transactions
     4. 718 Merit received by Lutpin (#520313) from 133 unique users in 169 transactions
     5. 601 Merit received by TMAN (#98986) from 127 unique users in 236 transactions
     6. 562 Merit received by Last of the V8s (#479624) from 99 unique users in 407 transactions
     7. 558 Merit received by Lauda (#101872) from 100 unique users in 161 transactions
     8. 516 Merit received by LoyceV (#459836) from 155 unique users in 322 transactions
     9. 500 Merit received by Vod (#30747) from 147 unique users in 227 transactions
    10. 478 Merit received by pitipawn (#1076869) from 58 unique users in 77 transactions
    11. 436 Merit received by DdmrDdmr (#1582324) from 100 unique users in 219 transactions
    12. 425 Merit received by Jet Cash (#698159) from 133 unique users in 251 transactions
    13. 417 Merit received by joniboini (#1275282) from 65 unique users in 204 transactions
    14. 395 Merit received by krogothmanhattan (#1000199) from 74 unique users in 165 transactions
    15. 385 Merit received by The Pharmacist (#487418) from 97 unique users in 245 transactions
    16. 378 Merit received by BTCforJoe (#557989) from 94 unique users in 157 transactions
    17. 370 Merit received by TheQuin (#143168) from 116 unique users in 225 transactions
    18. 368 Merit received by suchmoon (#234771) from 90 unique users in 159 transactions
    19. 361 Merit received by BobLawblaw (#569455) from 74 unique users in 234 transactions
    20. 360 Merit received by deeperx (#1038794) from 76 unique users in 89 transactions
    21. 357 Merit received by zazarb (#369212) from 30 unique users in 39 transactions
    22. 357 Merit received by DannyHamilton (#60820) from 85 unique users in 184 transactions
    23. 355 Merit received by explorder (#1108331) from 189 unique users in 195 transactions
    24. 352 Merit received by achow101 (#290195) from 87 unique users in 244 transactions
    25. 346 Merit received by GameKyuubi (#26945) from 55 unique users in 55 transactions
    26. 343 Merit received by jojo69 (#49008) from 65 unique users in 199 transactions
    27. 328 Merit received by romanornr (#225292) from 14 unique users in 22 transactions
    28. 322 Merit received by sncc (#1560793) from 68 unique users in 120 transactions
    29. 315 Merit received by gawlea (#925926) from 21 unique users in 29 transactions
    30. 314 Merit received by HCP (#867786) from 91 unique users in 198 transactions
    31. 308 Merit received by Toxic2040 (#239406) from 62 unique users in 187 transactions
    32. 307 Merit received by theyoungmillionaire (#1180530) from 78 unique users in 120 transactions
    33. 307 Merit received by QuestionAuthority (#72795) from 84 unique users in 96 transactions
    34. 305 Merit received by marlboroza (#787736) from 79 unique users in 131 transactions
    35. 304 Merit received by hilariousetc (#397737) from 97 unique users in 213 transactions
    36. 303 Merit received by mstfprcn (#915311) from 45 unique users in 71 transactions
    37. 303 Merit received by bill gator (#370611) from 129 unique users in 170 transactions
    38. 300 Merit received by Torque (#163318) from 78 unique users in 233 transactions
    39. 296 Merit received by DarkStar_ (#507936) from 93 unique users in 143 transactions
    40. 293 Merit received by micgoossens (#1067333) from 51 unique users in 132 transactions
    41. 285 Merit received by infofront (#41175) from 66 unique users in 195 transactions
    42. 283 Merit received by RichDaniel (#886352) from 11 unique users in 12 transactions
    43. 278 Merit received by bitmover (#1554927) from 106 unique users in 191 transactions
    44. 277 Merit received by mfort312 (#182284) from 71 unique users in 177 transactions
    45. 274 Merit received by pandukelana2712 (#1304130) from 76 unique users in 131 transactions
    46. 274 Merit received by OgNasty (#18321) from 73 unique users in 107 transactions
    47. 274 Merit received by LeGaulois (#507856) from 85 unique users in 122 transactions
    48. 266 Merit received by JayJuanGee (#252510) from 79 unique users in 186 transactions
    49. 261 Merit received by zentdex (#1331637) from 85 unique users in 107 transactions
    50. 258 Merit received by alex bond (#909175) from 10 unique users in 30 transactions
    51. 258 Merit received by Xynerise (#1250855) from 71 unique users in 164 transactions
    52. 256 Merit received by zonefloor (#934649) from 16 unique users in 40 transactions
    53. 256 Merit received by Hhampuz (#881377) from 67 unique users in 119 transactions
    54. 251 Merit received by saulzaents (#944905) from 13 unique users in 23 transactions
    55. 251 Merit received by coinlocket$ (#1339716) from 78 unique users in 146 transactions
    56. 250 Merit received by yahoo62278 (#355846) from 121 unique users in 140 transactions
    57. 250 Merit received by identifyuser (#227450) from 7 unique users in 44 transactions
    58. 250 Merit received by Ajpa94 (#911155) from 11 unique users in 12 transactions
    59. 250 Merit received by ATMcoin (#932514) from 27 unique users in 32 transactions
    60. 245 Merit received by by rallier (#152486) from 45 unique users in 60 transactions
    61. 244 Merit received by tonych (#412662) from 49 unique users in 60 transactions
    62. 244 Merit received by TheBobyHunter (#905442) from 17 unique users in 17 transactions
    63. 238 Merit received by philipma1957 (#64507) from 53 unique users in 98 transactions
    64. 238 Merit received by HairyMaclairy (#181806) from 62 unique users in 218 transactions
    65. 236 Merit received by actmyname (#465017) from 62 unique users in 105 transactions
    66. 234 Merit received by RuSS512 (#979216) from 30 unique users in 32 transactions
    67. 233 Merit received by qwk (#24140) from 60 unique users in 84 transactions
    68. 232 Merit received by Limx Dev (#389271) from 42 unique users in 60 transactions
    69. 229 Merit received by athanz88 (#1141886) from 72 unique users in 104 transactions
    70. 228 Merit received by hilariousandco (#164822) from 62 unique users in 97 transactions
    71. 228 Merit received by Twinscoin2017 (#1093001) from 8 unique users in 8 transactions
    72. 223 Merit received by shorena (#181801) from 55 unique users in 67 transactions
    73. 222 Merit received by poptop (#906023) from 47 unique users in 92 transactions
    74. 219 Merit received by killyou72 (#408367) from 81 unique users in 91 transactions
    75. 217 Merit received by iasenko (#1291828) from 75 unique users in 111 transactions
    76. 214 Merit received by o_e_l_e_o (#1188543) from 66 unique users in 128 transactions
    77. 213 Merit received by hugeblack (#1059082) from 74 unique users in 103 transactions
    78. 212 Merit received by AlyattesLydia (#1046135) from 71 unique users in 101 transactions
    79. 210 Merit received by ocminer (#43526) from 45 unique users in 53 transactions
    80. 210 Merit received by Piggy (#188198) from 52 unique users in 83 transactions
    81. 209 Merit received by TERA2 (#1285294) from 64 unique users in 142 transactions
    82. 207 Merit received by Claymore (#306958) from 45 unique users in 52 transactions
    83. 204 Merit received by xhomerx10 (#120694) from 54 unique users in 125 transactions
    84. 202 Merit received by mithrim (#1056258) from 51 unique users in 83 transactions
    85. 201 Merit received by gmaxwell (#11425) from 30 unique users in 63 transactions
    86. 200 Merit received by ibminer (#84866) from 49 unique users in 70 transactions
    87. 200 Merit received by Smart man (#1090672) from 58 unique users in 94 transactions
    88. 200 Merit received by Husna QA (#1827294) from 36 unique users in 103 transactions
    89. 199 Merit received by sabotag3x (#846936) from 47 unique users in 115 transactions
    90. 198 Merit received by ui_zakharchenko (#1052653) from 115 unique users in 119 transactions
    91. 198 Merit received by Aerys2 (#991046) from 38 unique users in 47 transactions
    92. 197 Merit received by minerjones (#346731) from 36 unique users in 57 transactions
    93. 197 Merit received by Carlton Banks (#64205) from 57 unique users in 102 transactions
    94. 191 Merit received by bob123 (#579628) from 56 unique users in 131 transactions
    95. 191 Merit received by PHI1618 (#1071136) from 43 unique users in 71 transactions
    96. 190 Merit received by alexberezov (#1066970) from 4 unique users in 4 transactions
    97. 190 Merit received by Co1n (#95019) from 58 unique users in 105 transactions
    98. 188 Merit received by ace4549 (#359844) from 38 unique users in 48 transactions
    99. 185 Merit received by d_eddie (#1027694) from 42 unique users in 119 transactions
   100. 181 Merit received by EFS (#140584) from 49 unique users in 65 transactions
   101. 178 Merit received by Kreds (#1122274) from 3 unique users in 4 transactions
   102. 176 Merit received by roycilik (#1051955) from 40 unique users in 109 transactions
   103. 176 Merit received by mole0815 (#1424178) from 31 unique users in 62 transactions
   104. 176 Merit received by NLNico (#107762) from 29 unique users in 36 transactions
   105. 175 Merit received by hirozaki faraday (#1080356) from 52 unique users in 70 transactions
   106. 174 Merit received by pugman (#325061) from 58 unique users in 76 transactions
   107. 172 Merit received by paxmao (#1192397) from 40 unique users in 62 transactions
   108. 172 Merit received by laszlo (#143) from 38 unique users in 38 transactions
   109. 172 Merit received by EcuaMobi (#169515) from 66 unique users in 102 transactions
   110. 171 Merit received by Bitcocoin (#905883) from 9 unique users in 14 transactions
   111. 169 Merit received by temmuz (#911706) from 10 unique users in 12 transactions
   112. 167 Merit received by Sylon (#112240) from 57 unique users in 69 transactions
   113. 165 Merit received by amishmanish (#1107844) from 56 unique users in 84 transactions
   114. 164 Merit received by aTriz (#135920) from 53 unique users in 61 transactions
   115. 163 Merit received by scutzi128 (#163631) from 31 unique users in 49 transactions
   116. 163 Merit received by gentlemand (#155345) from 86 unique users in 132 transactions
   117. 163 Merit received by Elwar (#554) from 60 unique users in 125 transactions
   118. 162 Merit received by Rhego (#1104013) from 30 unique users in 49 transactions
   119. 161 Merit received by aleksej996 (#1069508) from 32 unique users in 68 transactions
   120. 161 Merit received by Joel_Jantsen (#560412) from 47 unique users in 73 transactions
   121. 160 Merit received by xtraelv (#897509) from 43 unique users in 60 transactions
   122. 160 Merit received by spartak_t (#202461) from 4 unique users in 6 transactions
   123. 158 Merit received by manji (#1310981) from 40 unique users in 110 transactions
   124. 156 Merit received by Samarkand (#1010454) from 60 unique users in 87 transactions
   125. 156 Merit received by Hakamura (#1160086) from 61 unique users in 63 transactions
   126. 155 Merit received by Alex_Sr (#1762404) from 10 unique users in 153 transactions
   127. 154 Merit received by mprep (#51173) from 35 unique users in 46 transactions
   128. 154 Merit received by FollowSynergy (#837236) from 6 unique users in 9 transactions
   129. 153 Merit received by levyashin (#1023029) from 33 unique users in 36 transactions
   130. 153 Merit received by First1by (#988901) from 16 unique users in 41 transactions
   131. 152 Merit received by Ranyar (#1023316) from 87 unique users in 88 transactions
   132. 151 Merit received by niknik1966 (#1013524) from 13 unique users in 21 transactions
   133. 151 Merit received by gamerWOT (#1108972) from 22 unique users in 34 transactions
   134. 151 Merit received by Yury1 (#1056566) from 30 unique users in 33 transactions
   135. 151 Merit received by Welsh (#84521) from 43 unique users in 79 transactions
   136. 150 Merit received by vlad230 (#1268116) from 32 unique users in 49 transactions
   137. 150 Merit received by mdayonliner (#1432468) from 64 unique users in 94 transactions
   138. 150 Merit received by gunhell16 (#1101424) from 21 unique users in 24 transactions
   139. 150 Merit received by esmanthra (#1764764) from 24 unique users in 142 transactions
   140. 150 Merit received by Lantind (#763725) from 9 unique users in 9 transactions
   141. 150 Merit received by Chachacoin17 (#1002351) from 3 unique users in 3 transactions
   142. 150 Merit received by BOMG (#1033117) from 15 unique users in 45 transactions
   143. 148 Merit received by ludbega (#174460) from 13 unique users in 20 transactions
   144. 148 Merit received by Tomatocage (#37522) from 34 unique users in 39 transactions
   145. 148 Merit received by ColorlessK (#1029845) from 30 unique users in 38 transactions
   146. 147 Merit received by cAPSLOCK (#35501) from 42 unique users in 80 transactions
   147. 147 Merit received by TryNinja (#557798) from 70 unique users in 114 transactions
   148. 147 Merit received by 600watt (#88912) from 60 unique users in 85 transactions
   149. 142 Merit received by d5000 (#85033) from 58 unique users in 115 transactions
   150. 142 Merit received by aliyagiz207 (#1001712) from 28 unique users in 31 transactions
   151. 142 Merit received by Evil-Knievel (#159191) from 8 unique users in 12 transactions
   152. 141 Merit received by HeRetiK (#99837) from 54 unique users in 96 transactions
   153. 141 Merit received by EverGreenCoin (#594870) from 6 unique users in 7 transactions
   154. 140 Merit received by semux (#1062325) from 28 unique users in 29 transactions
   155. 140 Merit received by masstahcoiner (#1005975) from 5 unique users in 7 transactions
   156. 140 Merit received by grue (#5797) from 43 unique users in 51 transactions
   157. 139 Merit received by Mitchell (#113670) from 60 unique users in 70 transactions
   158. 135 Merit received by jillscarbrough (#447935) from 24 unique users in 58 transactions
   159. 135 Merit received by Trofo (#1099980) from 43 unique users in 108 transactions
   160. 135 Merit received by ToTheMoon_XOM9IK (#1499733) from 53 unique users in 79 transactions
   161. 135 Merit received by Coin++ (#990983) from 6 unique users in 15 transactions
   162. 134 Merit received by Rosewater Foundation (#1257516) from 26 unique users in 97 transactions
   163. 134 Merit received by CarlOrff (#822485) from 6 unique users in 12 transactions
   164. 133 Merit received by Paractor (#667927) from 6 unique users in 33 transactions
   165. 131 Merit received by Matthias9515 (#1018510) from 46 unique users in 52 transactions
   166. 130 Merit received by inbizin (#1416871) from 19 unique users in 125 transactions
   167. 130 Merit received by fengxia (#974724) from 3 unique users in 5 transactions
   168. 130 Merit received by Hydrogen (#68364) from 49 unique users in 85 transactions
   169. 129 Merit received by tvplus006 (#1311641) from 88 unique users in 93 transactions
   170. 129 Merit received by HagssFIN (#348185) from 35 unique users in 53 transactions
   171. 127 Merit received by phantastisch (#18312) from 15 unique users in 23 transactions
   172. 127 Merit received by baba0000000000 (#1056600) from 15 unique users in 28 transactions
   173. 125 Merit received by yla1974 (#909172) from 7 unique users in 18 transactions
   174. 125 Merit received by explorer (#129726) from 44 unique users in 94 transactions
   175. 124 Merit received by dooglus (#3420) from 22 unique users in 35 transactions
   176. 123 Merit received by adonay72 (#929600) from 5 unique users in 18 transactions
   177. 123 Merit received by ChiBitCTy (#904524) from 30 unique users in 58 transactions
   178. 123 Merit received by 1Referee (#308793) from 49 unique users in 93 transactions
   179. 122 Merit received by numanoid (#333524) from 57 unique users in 62 transactions
   180. 121 Merit received by SyGambler (#405889) from 26 unique users in 37 transactions
   181. 121 Merit received by CryptoCutie (#1231225) from 27 unique users in 42 transactions
   182. 119 Merit received by Dr.Mann (#1806854) from 5 unique users in 33 transactions
   183. 118 Merit received by shahzadafzal (#1634314) from 53 unique users in 78 transactions
   184. 118 Merit received by Gleb Gamow (#349097) from 33 unique users in 49 transactions
   185. 117 Merit received by nickbelski (#856233) from 4 unique users in 9 transactions
   186. 117 Merit received by kaar (#1439008) from 48 unique users in 51 transactions
   187. 117 Merit received by franky1 (#65837) from 57 unique users in 88 transactions
   188. 117 Merit received by devollito (#1001911) from 3 unique users in 4 transactions
   189. 116 Merit received by Parodium (#1162397) from 26 unique users in 36 transactions
   190. 116 Merit received by BTCMILLIONAIRE (#387921) from 35 unique users in 76 transactions
   191. 115 Merit received by lemonrabid (#1728877) from 68 unique users in 77 transactions
   192. 115 Merit received by RGBKey (#182468) from 30 unique users in 53 transactions
   193. 113 Merit received by dimao (#112286) from 7 unique users in 8 transactions
   194. 113 Merit received by alia (#1764044) from 31 unique users in 64 transactions
   195. 113 Merit received by ChardsElican28 (#1692227) from 4 unique users in 4 transactions
   196. 112 Merit received by yogg (#140827) from 26 unique users in 38 transactions
   197. 112 Merit received by oracleongoodbye (#829732) from 7 unique users in 8 transactions
   198. 112 Merit received by LastJedi (#1381008) from 11 unique users in 24 transactions
   199. 111 Merit received by BitcoinPenny (#352429) from 23 unique users in 43 transactions
   200. 111 Merit received by Becassine (#1224889) from 19 unique users in 27 transactions
   201. 110 Merit received by vipganyan (#1548994) from 16 unique users in 30 transactions
   202. 110 Merit received by BitRentX (#347141) from 43 unique users in 54 transactions
   203. 109 Merit received by udonmez (#915899) from 9 unique users in 13 transactions
   204. 109 Merit received by toknormal (#98113) from 39 unique users in 56 transactions
   205. 109 Merit received by mindrust (#176777) from 48 unique users in 78 transactions
   206. 109 Merit received by dbshck (#153634) from 58 unique users in 61 transactions
   207. 109 Merit received by Hal (#2436) from 28 unique users in 29 transactions
   208. 107 Merit received by fine99 (#917021) from 5 unique users in 5 transactions
   209. 107 Merit received by JohnUser (#319562) from 15 unique users in 22 transactions
   210. 106 Merit received by asche (#1580039) from 9 unique users in 76 transactions
   211. 106 Merit received by DooMAD (#175361) from 46 unique users in 75 transactions
   212. 105 Merit received by udivkx (#1437751) from 3 unique users in 3 transactions
   213. 105 Merit received by stompix (#164749) from 63 unique users in 83 transactions
   214. 105 Merit received by nc50lc (#1237156) from 51 unique users in 68 transactions
   215. 105 Merit received by crackfoo (#209640) from 3 unique users in 3 transactions
   216. 105 Merit received by bitserve (#87930) from 38 unique users in 86 transactions
   217. 105 Merit received by JaoBadjap (#1393407) from 3 unique users in 4 transactions
   218. 104 Merit received by sourish (#1045138) from 5 unique users in 7 transactions
   219. 104 Merit received by kingcarsen (#860708) from 6 unique users in 13 transactions
   220. 104 Merit received by dumbdragon (#313450) from 11 unique users in 15 transactions
   221. 104 Merit received by Avatar2030 (#1410806) from 26 unique users in 29 transactions
   222. 104 Merit received by 1miau (#2143453) from 13 unique users in 32 transactions
   223. 103 Merit received by dinofelis (#376659) from 26 unique users in 32 transactions
   224. 103 Merit received by Incognito01 (#1410604) from 28 unique users in 29 transactions
   225. 103 Merit received by AverageGlabella (#392646) from 23 unique users in 41 transactions
   226. 102 Merit received by mocacinno (#405464) from 57 unique users in 78 transactions
   227. 102 Merit received by YulyNov (#1617346) from 34 unique users in 34 transactions
   228. 102 Merit received by Heisenberg_Hunter (#1564795) from 55 unique users in 71 transactions
   229. 102 Merit received by Dabs (#54791) from 24 unique users in 32 transactions
   230. 102 Merit received by DNotes (#224925) from 6 unique users in 8 transactions
   231. 101 Merit received by etherclassic (#958248) from 3 unique users in 5 transactions
   232. 101 Merit received by MorpheWQ (#160745) from 23 unique users in 75 transactions
   233. 101 Merit received by Ekaterinat (#1428236) from 19 unique users in 25 transactions
   234. 100 Merit received by wnj4 (#914767) from 2 unique users in 2 transactions
   235. 100 Merit received by jooj (#913200) from 2 unique users in 2 transactions
   236. 100 Merit received by exus (#231031) from 39 unique users in 50 transactions
   237. 100 Merit received by doudou1110 (#1206752) from 3 unique users in 5 transactions
   238. 100 Merit received by Urbinklin (#1462029) from 10 unique users in 28 transactions
   239. 100 Merit received by NeverArgueWithWF (#1825808) from 12 unique users in 20 transactions
   240. 100 Merit received by Early_Waffle (#1380108) from 6 unique users in 12 transactions
   241. 100 Merit received by BitPanda.com (#903452) from 1 unique users in 2 transactions
   242. 99 Merit received by buwaytress (#901859) from 45 unique users in 72 transactions
   243. 98 Merit received by winterrose (#832906) from 2 unique users in 3 transactions
   244. 98 Merit received by srmecdes (#1199648) from 4 unique users in 19 transactions
   245. 98 Merit received by sidehack (#130792) from 15 unique users in 39 transactions
   246. 98 Merit received by ophyrim (#923435) from 33 unique users in 39 transactions
   247. 98 Merit received by Speculatoross (#1695463) from 36 unique users in 70 transactions
   248. 98 Merit received by Ksjywe4ka (#1334470) from 4 unique users in 19 transactions
   249. 98 Merit received by Gothorum (#674078) from 15 unique users in 59 transactions
   250. 98 Merit received by Danglen1010 (#1293204) from 6 unique users in 6 transactions
   251. 98 Merit received by BrewMaster (#803757) from 34 unique users in 45 transactions
   252. 97 Merit received by Wind_FURY (#844914) from 34 unique users in 48 transactions
   253. 97 Merit received by The_ Flash (#1828957) from 8 unique users in 20 transactions
   254. 97 Merit received by SFR10 (#521899) from 56 unique users in 71 transactions
   255. 96 Merit received by twbt (#137541) from 22 unique users in 70 transactions
   256. 96 Merit received by goatpig (#7811) from 7 unique users in 13 transactions
   257. 96 Merit received by emile12 (#1116047) from 17 unique users in 30 transactions
   258. 96 Merit received by amaclin1 (#1072601) from 14 unique users in 17 transactions
   259. 96 Merit received by allowance1219 (#1205985) from 5 unique users in 6 transactions
   260. 96 Merit received by Flying Hellfish (#79608) from 36 unique users in 64 transactions
   261. 96 Merit received by BlockEye (#553066) from 24 unique users in 25 transactions
   262. 95 Merit received by SaltySpitoon (#38894) from 38 unique users in 55 transactions
   263. 95 Merit received by Perunex (#1294613) from 3 unique users in 17 transactions
   264. 95 Merit received by -ck (#19971) from 29 unique users in 53 transactions
   265. 94 Merit received by jseverson (#109482) from 33 unique users in 43 transactions
   266. 94 Merit received by johhnyUA (#623643) from 25 unique users in 53 transactions
   267. 94 Merit received by edgycorner (#1016829) from 15 unique users in 21 transactions
   268. 94 Merit received by chn2z (#1306619) from 11 unique users in 24 transactions
   269. 94 Merit received by bobita (#963279) from 25 unique users in 43 transactions
   270. 94 Merit received by SeverusSnegg (#1249287) from 2 unique users in 5 transactions
   271. 94 Merit received by Rugosa (#815168) from 5 unique users in 6 transactions
   272. 93 Merit received by santino11 (#1169258) from 4 unique users in 4 transactions
   273. 93 Merit received by lolchina (#1258900) from 5 unique users in 10 transactions
   274. 93 Merit received by colacat1111 (#1206033) from 3 unique users in 3 transactions
   275. 93 Merit received by WaDa (#985812) from 22 unique users in 32 transactions
   276. 93 Merit received by Killermoney35 (#1051378) from 6 unique users in 9 transactions
   277. 93 Merit received by HabBear (#662570) from 41 unique users in 57 transactions
   278. 93 Merit received by Baltazaar (#1289582) from 15 unique users in 22 transactions
   279. 92 Merit received by whisee (#1241053) from 3 unique users in 3 transactions
   280. 92 Merit received by mehmet312 (#1229152) from 12 unique users in 24 transactions
   281. 92 Merit received by istklin (#1052765) from 15 unique users in 22 transactions
   282. 92 Merit received by bolshojkush (#1004212) from 55 unique users in 55 transactions
   283. 92 Merit received by TheUltraElite (#878630) from 31 unique users in 63 transactions
   284. 92 Merit received by LFC_Bitcoin (#379487) from 29 unique users in 78 transactions
   285. 92 Merit received by JeremyB (#1007192) from 29 unique users in 42 transactions
   286. 92 Merit received by Anon136 (#3028) from 35 unique users in 72 transactions
   287. 91 Merit received by tyKiwanuka (#1025255) from 24 unique users in 35 transactions
   288. 91 Merit received by btcminer6212 (#1282549) from 5 unique users in 11 transactions
   289. 91 Merit received by babicena14 (#383935) from 4 unique users in 4 transactions
   290. 91 Merit received by SKMoon (#1315135) from 5 unique users in 10 transactions
   291. 91 Merit received by Polytesse (#1129571) from 14 unique users in 17 transactions
   292. 90 Merit received by zhouyc (#1283512) from 8 unique users in 12 transactions
   293. 90 Merit received by yeyz20171031 (#1267831) from 15 unique users in 16 transactions
   294. 90 Merit received by wangxiaoyan888666 (#1274393) from 17 unique users in 24 transactions
   295. 90 Merit received by snowfu199 (#255518) from 2 unique users in 3 transactions
   296. 90 Merit received by smutexar (#1334788) from 4 unique users in 7 transactions
   297. 90 Merit received by roll on (#1037934) from 38 unique users in 38 transactions
   298. 90 Merit received by q(O_O)p (#1216431) from 3 unique users in 3 transactions
   299. 90 Merit received by fattyforhire (#103589) from 9 unique users in 20 transactions
   300. 90 Merit received by emrecemsan (#1217918) from 6 unique users in 11 transactions
   301. 90 Merit received by crazy1204 (#1207946) from 12 unique users in 21 transactions
   302. 90 Merit received by choubao0514 (#1206705) from 7 unique users in 7 transactions
   303. 90 Merit received by cannycassiopeia (#1160610) from 16 unique users in 20 transactions
   304. 90 Merit received by billsted86 (#1153691) from 2 unique users in 2 transactions
   305. 90 Merit received by anjho.ace (#1197849) from 13 unique users in 14 transactions
   306. 90 Merit received by Star_Bucks (#1049067) from 40 unique users in 40 transactions
   307. 90 Merit received by RomashkaSuH (#1275242) from 18 unique users in 29 transactions
   308. 90 Merit received by Patron92 (#300605) from 2 unique users in 2 transactions
   309. 90 Merit received by Mavilcposeti (#1233301) from 13 unique users in 15 transactions
   310. 90 Merit received by Liza Soberano (#1040237) from 32 unique users in 45 transactions
   311. 90 Merit received by Leonbtc (#1035345) from 3 unique users in 3 transactions
   312. 90 Merit received by Gummybear67 (#1039083) from 31 unique users in 43 transactions
   313. 90 Merit received by DronBudloS (#1275299) from 10 unique users in 13 transactions
   314. 90 Merit received by Chainblock (#1181025) from 10 unique users in 14 transactions
   315. 90 Merit received by BarkingHawk (#1115343) from 2 unique users in 5 transactions
   316. 90 Merit received by 1kodumtek7 (#1217914) from 8 unique users in 15 transactions

I look at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=recent;patrol daily and have yet to find a merit-able post there.
I gave up on that, whenever I did, I found someone to be banned long before I saw a good post.
legendary
Activity: 2338
Merit: 10802
There are lies, damned lies and statistics. MTwain
Being 6 months into the Merit system, how many users have received at least 180 merit? What about 90 merit? I don't think there are many, and merit was being given more freely when it was first implemented as everyone had a lot of sMerit to give away.

Breaking the accumulated Merit per user into groups of 30, the distribution is as follows (forum members who have received at least 1 sMerit):

Code:
group from to nUsers % Users
74 2194 2194 1 0,01%
35 1034 1034 1 0,01%
25 730 730 1 0,01%
24 718 718 1 0,01%
21 601 601 1 0,01%
19 558 562 2 0,01%
18 516 516 1 0,01%
17 500 500 1 0,01%
16 478 478 1 0,01%
15 425 436 2 0,01%
14 395 417 2 0,01%
13 360 385 6 0,04%
12 343 357 6 0,04%
11 300 328 12 0,07%
10 274 296 9 0,05%
9 244 266 15 0,09%
8 210 238 18 0,11%
7 181 209 20 0,12%
6 150 178 42 0,25%
5 121 148 39 0,23%
4 90 119 135 0,80%
3 60 89 193 1,15%
2 30 59 612 3,64%
1 1 29 15674 93,33%
Note: Gaps in ranges from/to denote no members with that value of sMerit received.

That is, 93,33% have between awarded between 1 and 29 sMerits since the Merit System kick-off, 3,64% between 30 and 59, 1,15% between 60 and 89 and only 1,88% are in the range of having received 90 sMerits or above...
legendary
Activity: 1288
Merit: 1926
฿ear ride on the rainbow slide
It looks like, in general, users need to earn an average of 1 merit per day to rank up past being a "member" starting from when they create their account.

On its face, this does not sound very difficult, however there may be fairly extended periods in which users are not very active (eg, they make <1 post per day).

Being 6 months into the Merit system, how many users have received at least 180 merit? What about 90 merit? I don't think there are many, and merit was being given more freely when it was first implemented as everyone had a lot of sMerit to give away.

A single good post continues to accumulate merit.

Take Legendary profiles of bitcointalk. from Ariem for example.

He doesn't have a lot of posts but this single post from April (and his Russian translated version) continue to deservingly gain merits over time.
While created in April it keeps on getting more merit. It isn't overly complex and English is his second language. It would have just taken a bit of time and research.

Maintaining a single or a couple of good post with updates and improvements is all it would take to get to Sr.Member.

I look at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=recent;patrol daily and have yet to find a merit-able post there.
copper member
Activity: 2996
Merit: 2374
It looks like, in general, users need to earn an average of 1 merit per day to rank up past being a "member" starting from when they create their account.

On its face, this does not sound very difficult, however there may be fairly extended periods in which users are not very active (eg, they make <1 post per day).

Being 6 months into the Merit system, how many users have received at least 180 merit? What about 90 merit? I don't think there are many, and merit was being given more freely when it was first implemented as everyone had a lot of sMerit to give away.
legendary
Activity: 1288
Merit: 1926
฿ear ride on the rainbow slide
I vote for public beheadings for delinquent merit sources.


Best suggestion in the whole thread !

Merit doesn't need to be propagated fast. I don't think it is hard to earn.

Rank    Required activity    Required merit     minimum months*    Average merit / month needed**
Brand new0000
Newbie1000
Jr Member30010
Member601025
Full Member120100425
Sr. Member240250831
Hero Member4805001631
Legendary775-10301000 28 - 3735

* shows minimum time in months required to rank up.
** shows minimum average merit required per month to rank up in minimum time


How is forum activity calculated?
Activity is calculated with the following formula:
Code:
activity = min(time * 14, posts)

Activity is increased by staying logged in or by posting and is updated every 30 minutes. There is a maximum of 14 activity points every 2 weeks.

I don't see 35 merits a month hard to achieve if you put some effort in your posts.

I also don't see it affecting anyone negatively. Someone like myself could have easily ranked up already by simply being active if I had wanted to prior to the introduction of the merit system.
Unless someone has exceptional crypto skills - someone that is 28 - 37 months on this forum is not in the same league as someone who has been on here since 2010.

legendary
Activity: 3346
Merit: 3125
Maybe the issue is not about the merit sources, but about the quality of the posters. Every time I have a smerit to send, I look for a good newbie, to try to encourage people making their best to continue this way. I always spend minimum half an hour, if I'm lucky and find someone, which not always occur.

Besides, one of the most confrontational parts of the merit system is that merits are given 1 by 1, the most of the time. I think this make truly difficult to rank-up, so I kind of understand how can a good poster get desperate, for example, ranking-up from member to full member is going to take a while, at least you are a genius (there are few in this forum by the way).
So the actual formula works:
- Low content, merit sources with no one to reward.
- Low merit retribution, 1 by 1, good members will find the ranking system hard.

To the OP, just consider that to be a merit source, as has been told, means recognition and trust, not economical or personal interest. Even if it sounds unbelievable, there are people in here concern about the forum and with the goal of making it a better place for everyone instead of just gaining economical rewards.
staff
Activity: 3304
Merit: 4115
And merit sources have more smerits than good posts to merit.
This may well apply to some merit sources, but certainly doesn't apply to them all. Merit sources don't really get that much per month to distribute when compared to the amount of posts being made site wide, and especially when merit sources are encouraged to send higher amounts per individual post than users who only have sMerit they've "earned" to send.

Merit sources don't get an unlimited amount of sMerit to send, and I think a few might dip into their earned sMerit from time to time. Remember, that the merit that merit sources get allocated to distribute refreshes periodically. It is certainly plausible for a merit source who was selected because they are good at identifying good posts to find a good post per day. That's 30 sMerit if you merited every single post with 1 merit alone, but this is hardly the case, and several often reward more per post.
legendary
Activity: 2352
Merit: 6089
bitcoindata.science
How can it be considered as conflict of interest?  

The way I see it is members receiving merits from merit sources are being grateful from the merits they have received therefore they are giving merits as a way of showing gratitude.

The more merits they are receiving means the more merits they can sent back again.

 This is merit trading. This is the conflict I was talking about.. it's positive only to who is involved in this trade...

But this is not happening. At least I have never seen it.

And merit sources have more smerits than good posts to merit.
Vod
legendary
Activity: 3668
Merit: 3010
Licking my boob since 1970
If I could merit myself, I'd probably never leave my room...   Wink
hero member
Activity: 1680
Merit: 655
Actually merit sources should not need merit at all. To avoid conflict of interest.

Give us extra, unpaid work to read more posts than usual to find some worthy of merit, then penalize us so we can't advance in rank?

Doesn't make sense...  :/

How can you advance forward legendary?

But I didn't said you can't advance in rank, just that you don't need merits. Many merit sources have enough merit to the next rank already, that's why they don't need merit .. this is what I tried to say..
How can it be considered as conflict of interest?  He just mentioned one incentive and that is getting merits in return of doing his job (which is giving merits) and now you are saying it is a conflict of interest? The way I see it is members receiving merits from merit sources are being grateful from the merits they have received therefore they are giving merits as a way of showing gratitude. Plus can't you see the positive side of things? The more merits they are receiving means the more merits they can sent back again. Merit sources actually don't have an unlimited amount of sMerits to give and this is another way to replenish their sMerits.
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