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legendary
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December 05, 2016, 11:08:13 AM
How can someone think this would stop the counterfeits? Even teenagers know that if you want to make a fake bill it's best to make the smallest ones, because of two factors:
1. They have the least security features
2. Nobody bothers to check them
It has not much to do with counterfeiting as the main intention of such actions by the government is to trace down large holders that weren't known before.

It's once again the hunger for full control over people that is making governments to take steps like these. People are nothing more than sheeps following what is being told them to do.

That's why there is a growing demand in India when it comes to Bitcoin. People are looking to stash away their money outside the regular banking system where the government has full sight on everything.

This is also the main reason of Bitcoin price rising in particular indian local exchange , where lot of peoples are adopting bitcoin and investing their black money in bitcoin. And more over India is also taking all steps to include Bitcoin technology in India. Their are meetups in delhi where they are discussing about blockchain development in india
legendary
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December 05, 2016, 11:03:44 AM
The war on cash is on full force. If anyone has kids here, your kids if they are small they will never see physical cash. In 18 years the war on cash will be complete and they will never see cash ever again. The only way out from that mess is bitcoin, too bad all those indians are clueless about bitcoin and are trapped in the government mess, not even gold can save them.
hero member
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December 05, 2016, 10:59:44 AM
I have always believed that we will have a cashless society one day and this might be the catalyst to start that revolution against fiat currency just not in India but globally too. Wink
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December 05, 2016, 10:56:18 AM
How can someone think this would stop the counterfeits? Even teenagers know that if you want to make a fake bill it's best to make the smallest ones, because of two factors:
1. They have the least security features
2. Nobody bothers to check them

In my country they do check them. They're not going to stop the counterfeit but limiting the money you can exchange to the new bank notes would "stop the black market and disable the black money". That turned into a complete chaos in there, imagine having saved a lot of money and one day later it becomes all just paper..
legendary
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December 05, 2016, 10:30:36 AM
How can someone think this would stop the counterfeits? Even teenagers know that if you want to make a fake bill it's best to make the smallest ones, because of two factors:
1. They have the least security features
2. Nobody bothers to check them
It has not much to do with counterfeiting as the main intention of such actions by the government is to trace down large holders that weren't known before.

It's once again the hunger for full control over people that is making governments to take steps like these. People are nothing more than sheeps following what is being told them to do.

That's why there is a growing demand in India when it comes to Bitcoin. People are looking to stash away their money outside the regular banking system where the government has full sight on everything.
legendary
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December 05, 2016, 10:22:44 AM
How can someone think this would stop the counterfeits? Even teenagers know that if you want to make a fake bill it's best to make the smallest ones, because of two factors:
1. They have the least security features
2. Nobody bothers to check them
legendary
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December 05, 2016, 10:07:34 AM
India’s snap decision to ban RS 500 and 1,000 notes caused panic as it reportedly caused 86% of India’s currency to be no longer valid. The announcement made by the Indian PM on an unscheduled live televised address predictably resulted in chaos.

And they have baned import for gold too, it is mean the chance for bitcoins becoming next gold on India is very high and just need 1% people on India for bitcoin's price increase become $1000.

You are right. This has created a huge chaos here, people are struggling to pay for their food. Anyways, it cant be undone, but this might mean a good thing for bitcoin, on the brighter side. So, I guess, this move has a mixed effect on me, being a resident of India, as this might mean popularity of bitcoin here, and that could increase the price faster, although more steadily.
I am sure bitcoin on your country will be more growing, because ban Fiat money is mean Death of currency and war against cash is begining and there are no other choice except bitcoin for making people on there prosperous, may Allah SWT blessing Indian people. Amen
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December 05, 2016, 06:29:56 AM
Its better for our country that it has banned its fiat money so that people are being able to use digital currency which for the better good that they are being able to monitor every penny .kudoos Smiley
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December 05, 2016, 05:48:54 AM
India’s snap decision to ban RS 500 and 1,000 notes caused panic as it reportedly caused 86% of India’s currency to be no longer valid. The announcement made by the Indian PM on an unscheduled live televised address predictably resulted in chaos.

And they have baned import for gold too, it is mean the chance for bitcoins becoming next gold on India is very high and just need 1% people on India for bitcoin's price increase become $1000.

You are right. This has created a huge chaos here, people are struggling to pay for their food. Anyways, it cant be undone, but this might mean a good thing for bitcoin, on the brighter side. So, I guess, this move has a mixed effect on me, being a resident of India, as this might mean popularity of bitcoin here, and that could increase the price faster, although more steadily.
legendary
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December 05, 2016, 03:09:35 AM
India’s snap decision to ban RS 500 and 1,000 notes caused panic as it reportedly caused 86% of India’s currency to be no longer valid. The announcement made by the Indian PM on an unscheduled live televised address predictably resulted in chaos.

And they have baned import for gold too, it is mean the chance for bitcoins becoming next gold on India is very high and just need 1% people on India for bitcoin's price increase become $1000.
legendary
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December 05, 2016, 02:44:34 AM
A friend of mine told me that due to this move the price of bitcoin is 900$ in India, can someone verify this ? Sounds like a fantastic opportunity to arbitrage sell.
hero member
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December 05, 2016, 02:01:30 AM
Hello There,

India bans top currency notes such as Rs.500/- and Rs.1,000/- to prevent black money. Now there are only three notes in circulation Rs.10, Rs.20 and Rs.50

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/live-narendra-modis-address-to-nation/article9320548.ece

Google for more news links.

Yes, There are some preventive measures taken to deal with the situation but still it is one of the masterstrokes by India prime minister Narendra Modi against black money.

How do you see this action and what kind of impact this will create on the bitcoin in India?


P-S : Adding some news headline since this move, worth reading Smiley

1) No cash, no plastic: India's demonetised economy rushes towards cryptocurrency.

2) India’s rupee restrictions are boosting demand for bitcoin.

3) Digital Currency the ‘New Normal’, says Indian Finance Minister After Cash Curb.

4)  Why Bitcoin Will Succeed in India in Just Two Years.

5)  India Encourages ‘Mission Mode’ Digital Currency Adoption.


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Dudeperfect

Interesting news about India and increasing demand for bitcoin since government bans Rs.500 and Rs.1000.
We know that fiat money has some disadvantages which could covered by bitcoin such as
Sandeep Goenka stated: “With credit cards, you have to pay VISA/Mastercard 2-3 percent on every transaction and you get the money after a few days, and sometimes in case of a chargeback, you don't. None of these problems exist in Bitcoins.”
But, what I concern is higher price to buy bitcoin there. It seems unfair if we could buy BTC1 / $750 outside the country but in India exchanges sell it about $100-200 higher than market price.
One bitcoin on the Indian exchange Unocoin is worth 55,405 rupees, or $817.97, at the time of writing. Dollar-denominated bitcoin currently costs around $709. and this>>>
Toward the end of November, the premium was soaring further, as the price to buy bitcoin reached $985 while Indian bitcoin exchanges continue to push for adoption.
I don't know for sure is it good or not for people there, but this mean increases adoption and higher price of bitcoin.

I think the price will always be higher than international markets because the charges for foreign remittance are high and also there are currency conversion fees and we have to pay tax like service tax (around 0.15% to 15% depending upon cases) on the top of that amount so it will cost the same for resident Indian buyer to purchase from  International markets unless he is NRI (There are some provisions for NRI where they can maintain account in USD). I am working on the solution and in the process of research. Let's see what happenes.

I have another good news, Ground zero merchants from India are also getting aware about digital payments (although they are using fiat now but still they are getting used to digital payment technology) and that's very good sign for bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies.



Picture from the internet : A local street seller from India with a board Paytm accepted here. Paytm is a fiat wallet (backed by Alibaba), it is almost same as paypal but it is much more convenient and cheaper to use.

Now you anyone convert his bitcoins in Paytm cash, click following link to know more..


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Dudeperfect
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December 04, 2016, 10:06:37 PM
Hello There,

India bans top currency notes such as Rs.500/- and Rs.1,000/- to prevent black money. Now there are only three notes in circulation Rs.10, Rs.20 and Rs.50

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/live-narendra-modis-address-to-nation/article9320548.ece

Google for more news links.

Yes, There are some preventive measures taken to deal with the situation but still it is one of the masterstrokes by India prime minister Narendra Modi against black money.

How do you see this action and what kind of impact this will create on the bitcoin in India?


P-S : Adding some news headline since this move, worth reading Smiley

1) No cash, no plastic: India's demonetised economy rushes towards cryptocurrency.

2) India’s rupee restrictions are boosting demand for bitcoin.

3) Digital Currency the ‘New Normal’, says Indian Finance Minister After Cash Curb.

4)  Why Bitcoin Will Succeed in India in Just Two Years.

5)  India Encourages ‘Mission Mode’ Digital Currency Adoption.


Best
Dudeperfect

Interesting news about India and increasing demand for bitcoin since government bans Rs.500 and Rs.1000.
We know that fiat money has some disadvantages which could covered by bitcoin such as
Sandeep Goenka stated: “With credit cards, you have to pay VISA/Mastercard 2-3 percent on every transaction and you get the money after a few days, and sometimes in case of a chargeback, you don't. None of these problems exist in Bitcoins.”
But, what I concern is higher price to buy bitcoin there. It seems unfair if we could buy BTC1 / $750 outside the country but in India exchanges sell it about $100-200 higher than market price.
One bitcoin on the Indian exchange Unocoin is worth 55,405 rupees, or $817.97, at the time of writing. Dollar-denominated bitcoin currently costs around $709. and this>>>
Toward the end of November, the premium was soaring further, as the price to buy bitcoin reached $985 while Indian bitcoin exchanges continue to push for adoption.
I don't know for sure is it good or not for people there, but this mean increases adoption and higher price of bitcoin.
sr. member
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December 04, 2016, 08:47:09 PM
Ah yes I was thinking it was 500 ounces.
500 grams is much less, but I still doubt the average person owns $20,000 worth of gold.
This will still only have an effect on the very wealthy. Some might buy some Bitcoin, but I assume most are going to hide money in offshore accounts and companies outside their country.

The intended effect is that it will be impractical to use gold as form of tax avoiding cash. You can bury gold in the ground and never use it, because that it no threat at all to the government's desire to tax everything that moves. Have fun eating your gold or watching it sit there useless in the ground while the economic opportunities move on without you.

The elite are moving the tangible economy to electronic currency that is tracked for taxes.

They will use the poor as a weapon against the middle class. The poor will avidly support increased taxation because the government will promise them free things. In India, the government is recently offering a basic level of free food and medical care system support to the indigent. This is a big deal because in the past 1/3 of Indians only ate once a day.

The poor see these increased taxation as ending corruption and funding the support for the poor. They don't realize it is the laying the seeds for tax slavery.

But we in the crypto-currency currency arena can offer the poor a better deal than what the government can give them. We can offer them a job in the virtual economy where they can become independently a middle class person. And then they will hate taxes.

I am working on this now. Steem(it) was the first (failed) example. We can onboard the billions into crypto-currency by giving them currency when they do work on a social network. We can change the economy of the world.

Tinfoil hats are doing nothing. They are stuck in an unimaginative old world fight over tangible resources. Iron used to be a precious metal. Everyone needs to understand we live in an age of surplus and we are moving to a Knowledge Age:

You will probably need a week or two of studying the thread slowly.

I will be the first to admit I needed a week to fully absorb the following works of AnonyMint.

The Rise of Knowledge <--- READ THIS
Understand Everything Fundamentally

Together these are quite simply the most insightful piece of economic theory I have ever read.

If the author is right and I think he is we are all in the midst of a tragedy of epic proportions.  It is sad unstoppable and will devastate the lives of much of humanity.

...
sr. member
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November 28, 2016, 08:03:34 AM
Coming to a country near you soon...

The war on cash is in full swing. The whispers behind the curtain are starting to get louder. The headlines in Australia demonstrate how the press is already conspiring against the people. The new slogan rising is Cash is for Criminals. ABC of Australia ran the story:

Cash is for criminals: Why we should scrap big notes
legendary
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November 28, 2016, 03:57:15 AM
Could you please provide the link? I can see pretty much no one supporting this move, along with the media.

Here are a few links, for you:

https://blog.inshorts.com/2016/11/Pulse-of-the-Nation-500-1000-Rs-Notes/ (Inshorts is India’s highest-rated news app, and IPSOS is a global market and opinion research specialists).

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Over-80-percent-dont-mind-inconvenience-of-demonetisation-says-C-Voter-poll/articleshow/55566700.cms

And even Pew Research think that the popularity of the current government is at peak levels.

http://5forty3.in/first-hints-of-a-namo-tsunami-after-demonetization/



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November 28, 2016, 03:23:18 AM
Just read this. This sounds crazy, wouldn't this destabilize their entire economy ? Haven't other countries already implemented this in the past and have failed ? I can't see why an economist in the right mind would take this step.

Yes, even the great Amartya Sen, a Noble Laureate from India in economy has greatly critisized this move by stating, "To achieve something good, sometimes bad things happen before good, but it doesnt necessarily mean that all bad things are for the greater good."

Amartya Sen is a communist stooge, who got the Nobel prize purely due to political considerations. According to the opinion polls conducted by independent agencies, anywhere from 80% to 90% of the Indian population supports the demonetization drive.

Could you please provide the link? I can see pretty much no one supporting this move, along with the media. And I dont get your authority to call someone a communist stooge, especially someone from my state.
most people are against this move, open your eyes. Please provide me the link where you got that info.
legendary
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November 28, 2016, 03:10:25 AM
Just read this. This sounds crazy, wouldn't this destabilize their entire economy ? Haven't other countries already implemented this in the past and have failed ? I can't see why an economist in the right mind would take this step.

Yes, even the great Amartya Sen, a Noble Laureate from India in economy has greatly critisized this move by stating, "To achieve something good, sometimes bad things happen before good, but it doesnt necessarily mean that all bad things are for the greater good."


I was looking this up, and seems a lot of people are facing issues. Is this step actually working ? I would imagine all the money to be in the form of investments since their currency is much smaller than dollars, i.e 10 100$ bills are equivalent to a bundle of their biggest currency.

what I don't understand about this is that India didn't ban or change anything about their currency and it is just a "currency note" which was explained somewhere in the first couple of pages. and what I don't get is that why so many people are talking about Indian economy and their fiat getting banned.
legendary
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November 28, 2016, 03:03:17 AM
Just read this. This sounds crazy, wouldn't this destabilize their entire economy ? Haven't other countries already implemented this in the past and have failed ? I can't see why an economist in the right mind would take this step.

Yes, even the great Amartya Sen, a Noble Laureate from India in economy has greatly critisized this move by stating, "To achieve something good, sometimes bad things happen before good, but it doesnt necessarily mean that all bad things are for the greater good."

Amartya Sen is a communist stooge, who got the Nobel prize purely due to political considerations. According to the opinion polls conducted by independent agencies, anywhere from 80% to 90% of the Indian population supports the demonetization drive.
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