Topic: India Expands G20 Membership to G21 During Its Presidency. (Read 353 times)

Canada already has a very large Indian Sikh community. In India, this separatist movement is fighting for independence and is considered enemies of India by the current government.

India renames itself Bharat in G20 summit invite, reviving nationalist rowIndia renames itself Bharat in G20 summit invite, reviving nationalist row
https://www.rfi.fr/en/international/20230909-india-calls-itself-bharat-in-g20-summit-invite-reviving-nationalist-row

For India, apparently the issue of unifying old territories is very important, so they will fight separatism very hard.

Is that all you could come up with? Weak argument. Anyone with a half-decent brain can tell that are improving their relations with other countries for sure, but still couldn't bring forth drastic developments in certain areas which is why most of the country is still poor.

Name one Indian city which is comparable with Beijing, Seoul etc. You can't! You need to work a lot harder to improve your brainpower.

This is the same "global shuffle" I talked about 1-2 years ago, of course back then I mainly focused on the energy field (customers changing, etc.) but it is happening in all aspects globally like geopolitics.

As the Old World Order dies, a vacuum is create where everyone will try to take "their piece of the cake of power". For example over the past decade China is trying to become the new US while India is trying to become the new China. This is exactly why China has been moving into high tech productions and becoming a more serious player globally in matters other than economy while India has been doing what China did 30-40 years ago by getting closer to the West trying to reap the rewards while they can since the West is once again desperate for "allies" just like they were back when the World Order before the last was changing (US vs USSR where China got close to US to reap the rewards and grow).
This is also the reason why we saw India attend G20 like this while China is no longer enthusiastic enough about it.

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As for the One Road One Belt thing, the Indian relations and any future trade routs is not going to go against the Chinese thing. You have to consider that the amount of goods to be transferred is too massive to only rely on "one route" not to mention that India is already connected to and will use a lot of the same routes.

The accusation made, on Trudeau's part, is very serious. Unless he has 100% proof of the crime he described, he should not make such statements. If there is, then a bilateral commission should be set up, and India will have to admit its guilt and take appropriate steps. Otherwise, India's reputation will be sullied for a long time.... And this is not good for India now ! India is trying to distance itself from such "toxic", totalitarian and terrorist regimes as Russian, Chinese, Iranian. And then it does such an unacceptable act !
I hope this is not true or the investigation is wrong, I don't want to realize that India is being likened to the same terrorist Russia....

The ruling government of India wants to make its citizens have a big finding with the G-20. For this India had spent much higher amount than other countries spend on this meet. The government have allocated a budget close to $120 million and what it had spent is really heart breaking. The government have spend a whopping amount close to $495 million. Whats the need for it, and the government tries to hype things and convert these summit as a big success to get votes as the election is scheduled for the year 2024. The previous G-20 summit took place in Indonesia and what they've spent is just around $44 million. What a difference and these are all the money of the common people.

This is going to confuse the hell out of people who struggle with the belief Africa is a country.  How we going to educate them on that now, I already got told BRIC is a country and a currency.  Things are going to get more confusing before they get any simpler it seems
  I'm interested how the newest member would compare vs EU.  This discussion is not quite as serious as if it were giving all parties equal trading rights, it just includes them within the conversation and we can talk for decades without doing anything.  Its good people talk but also Im not sure it leads to anything except beyond recognition.   Its a good  idea anyway, China has been including Africa for sometime in its attempts via 'belt and roads' initiative.  That means its strategic to counter that by including this Africa union, but why has it taken till now.  China is still ahead in actual infrastructure built, the biggest link between the largest countries to Africa is still the legacy of occupation and the colonial period of history not too long ago.  France being involved within the Niger coup news recently for example.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belt_and_Road_Initiative#:~:text=The%20Belt%20and%20Road%20Initiative%20%28BRI%2C%20or%20B%26R%29%2C,more%20than%20150%20countries%20and%20international%20organizations.%20

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/08/29/africa/french-ambassador-defies-niger-junta-intl/index.html

The main thing is not how many countries are in a particular association, but how effective the association is and how equal the countries are. In my opinion, when a large alliance is dominated by a few countries and the rest do their bidding, it is a certain deadlock. Sooner or later the other countries will seek to create new alliances that will compete with this big union.

After the G-20+1 summit, the relationship between Canada and India has changed. If you are not aware of what has happened between these two countries, then let me provide you with a timeline.

• Justin Trudeau Accuses India of a Killing on Canadian Soil
• Indian government rejected the allegation
• Canada then expels an Indian diplomat
• India retaliates by expelling a Canadian diplomat
• Canada comes up with a travel advisory for India
• Indian government comes up with a travel advisory for Canada
• Latest update: India suspends visa for Canadians

There are three questions that I would like to ask everyone here.

• When will it stop?
• Which leader is responsible for escalating this issue?
• Which country do you think is lying?

I agree with you that the countries of Europe and the USA are using India to fight economically with China, but I think that it is not so simple. But the quality of technology in India is not the best and the Indians are even more cunning than the Chinese. I don’t think I’m in a hurry to draw conclusions about who will win here.

It's a little different.
India, today:
- is one of the leaders of the global south.
- one of the largest economies in the world (in the top 5)
- the country is actively developing and actively integrating into the world economy.
- is not an aggressor country or a country with "militaristic fervor".
- India is building mutually beneficial relations with its neighbors and the world.
- India has no contradictions with neighboring countries, there are no conflicts unleashed by India, and it does not pursue an aggressive policy.

That is why, at least within the "global south" India is a leader in all indicators. Can you name another ?

PS Taxes are paid by everyone and everywhere. "The state does not have its own money, the state eats citizens' taxes"

What we have learned from Ukraine war is that never mess with your might neighbour no matter how much support other powers are offering you. I wont say who is at fault in Ukarine and Russia conflict as its the people of Ukarine who are suffering right now. Big powers are using Ukraine to carry out there proxy war against Russia.
Taiwan must learn from this war for betterment of its own people.

India is more closely affiliated with Russia than they are of Ukraine. Zelenskyy would have nothing to do with G20 even if provided the opportunity only for the reason that India was hosting the summit this year. India's been purchasing Russian oil, and they've repeatedly abstained from voting to condemn Russia's invasion of Ukraine on any UN resolutions that comes up.

As for Xi Jinping, he would not be affiliated with an organization that is heavy with western countries. China is on the UN security counsel along with the U.S., but they joined as permanent members post WW2. It's one of the exceptions. They're membership is laughable anyways.

Africa's huge, so of course African Union deserves a spot at G20 (G21). But saying that India's dominating global politics seems out of touch with reality to me, to be honest. India's a huge country, but it doesn't look like it has a major worldwide influence. It's too 'neutral', too self-oriented in international politics. And while G20 sounds big, I think it doesn't work efficiently because it tries to encompass countries that have incompatible agendas without condemning anyone. So there's no political will there, and it's hard to achieve things without it.

India is never closer to any country if you check the history of Indian geo-political decisions. It neither opposes nor accepts and it is what makes India unpredictable. China's global ambition and the views that it has about its neighbors are of great concern to India. Recently it released a map wherein it showed many Indian states as part of India. The map does not end with India, it also claims parts of Russia and those countries in the South China Sea.

China will attack Taiwan, it is inevitable. When it attacks what steps will India take is now being asked by the US. I am not an expert, but I know China would suffer and the US would be making a lot of money when the war starts in Asia. I hope it does not happen as a lot of innocent lives will be lost.

I guess thats the main reason, other than that India is also getting closer to the U.S now, so this is like the worst time for India to invite Chinese President. What might add another heat for China is since India change it's international presence to Bharat, there are some concern that they have hidden agenda, like expanding their influence in Southeast Asia, which is also the Agenda of China.

Yes, you are correct the cold conflict between India and the US is one the reason. The primary reason would be the IMEC corridor, as it is challenging the Belt & Road wherein China has heavily invested. The IMEC is just destroying what China wanted which was a complete monopoly over the global market.

The day Modi became the PM he has been facing backlash from the opposition. Some agitations were a succes but mostly he has been dominating over the opposition. The opposition now has formed an alliance to counter the Modi factor for which they gave their alliance name I.N.D.I.A. That was the reason why the government started using Bharat for the G20 summit.

China is now not trusted by the West. As for now a lot of big companies from the US and the Europe are slowly moving their manufacturing unit to India. For example the new iPhone 15 is the first to have Made in India tag. Slowly & steadily more companies would be moving to India. It would take some time and then it would effect the Chinese economy.

The conflict between China and the United States, as well as with India, might be included in speculations about President Xi's absence at the G20 Summit in India. The ongoing trade war with the U.S. and the border tensions with India are hot-button issues that are inevitably linked to Xi's absence from the meeting. However, as long as China fails to provide clarity, no one can be certain about the true purpose and intentions of his absence, leaving Prime Minister Li as the representative.

Is this detrimental to India? I believe not. Previously, Modi faced criticism from the opposition regarding his relationship with Xi Jinping, which ultimately backfired when it was followed by border clashes. Consequently, Xi Jinping's presence would never be seen as a sincere effort by India to resolve the border issues.

China wields significant authority and numerous countries still depend on China. In my opinion, Xi's absence from the meeting in India could be a strategic move to prevent the G20 nations from becoming overly fixated on China. Leadership becomes fragile when it relies solely on one individual.

As you said you do not understand geo-politics! It would have been great if you hadn't replied on this thread. Let me explain to you why it is a big win for India in 3-pointers.

• First country to hold G-20 Summit
• The joint declaration did not talk about the War on Ukrain
• India – Middle East – Europe Economic Corridor (IMEC)

Do a Google search on the above three pointers and you will understand why the G-20 was one of the biggest geo-political success for India. Another thing that I do not understand is, why are you saying India has the highest tax slab. India is not even on any list of the highest-taxed countries. Do your research before any stupid rants that have no logical proof on this thread.

China is being punished by the Western nations, for the help it is providing to Russia during the last few years. Also, the Taiwan issue is getting bumped up again and again. And it is easy to see who is benefitting from all this. A lot of western manufacturers are moving their factories from China to other Asian nations such as India, Vietnam and Philippines. India in particular is benefitting immensely. They are getting cheap hydrocarbons from Russia, and at the same time Western investors are also pouring their money into that country.

The G20 is a platform for the Bretton Woods system, which was created to extend the life of this system. India is the chairing country this year, so they cannot help but participate, and the presidents of China and Russia did not participate because there are no topics to discuss. The old economic system is beginning to collapse, and new models have not yet been provided, except for dividing the world into currency zones.