Topic: India records another 3,980 convid-19 death in one day - page 2. (Read 293 times)

It's very sad to see what happens in India. It has a too much crowded population, so Corona is very difficult to get rid off.
I hope, India will revover soon. 

But it's also sad to see in more developed countries from Europe and US, some braindead people are still downplaying Corona or Anti-Vaxxers hindering efforts to stop spreading Corona. 

The trend in highly-vaccinated nations does seem to be a dramatic reduction in cases. It's worth noting that in the UK, new cases were dropping significantly prior to the vaccine rollout (due to a strict lockdown after Christmas)... which I think goes some way towards invalidating your 'scare people into taking the vaccine' hypothesis (as does the widespread media hysteria about blood clots).

And then once the lockdown was eased, vaccination was at a sufficient level that case numbers continued to fall. I'm not as familiar with the situation in Israel.


https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/united-kingdom

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/israel

At least you are making a feeble attempt to have an intelligent conversation about this.

I agree about the need to determine if there is a causal relationship, but I am unimpressed with the (very tired) strategy of pointing out that spurious correlations do exist in the real world sometimes.  That observation is pretty much a 'no-shit' to anyone with a brain, and it seems to be reached for by people trying to desperately fight back against Occam's razor.

Granting your assertion of a 'very very low rate' for 'jabs' in India, I would point out that if whatever is being jabbed there is particularly hard on the population it also could (not 'does') help explain the chart features fairly convincingly even given the scales.

For myself, I believe two things to be very probably true  1) a large fraction of the population (in the 50% range most likely) have been infected with SARS-cov-2 over the past 15 months and have cleared it as typical of any coronavirus, and 2) once one has cleared the virus, re-infection with any naturally occurring derivative within the next few years is unlikely.  These two 'very probablys' make me not anticipate a sudden spike.

Now I myself have anticipated, and loudly and publicly so, that we WOULD see a 'sudden spike' because it would be the most effective way to get people to roll up their sleeves (or have them rolled up while pinned to the ground) even in light of increasingly evident damage being caused.

A good test of various hypotheses will be to analyze if the same spike and the same timing of record breaking 'cases' happen in multiple different countries.  It will be amusing to see the contortions that certain 'experts' use to explain that one...if we see it of course...

Oh BTW, thanks for snapping the chart, uploading it, and for a decent assessment of it.  For real.

Stimulus bonuses/money isn't given by the government as a means of controlling the virus, it's a measure used to put money in people's pockets so as to rejuvenate the economy, it's somewhat a post-lockdown measure. What you should be talking about is vaccines, cause basically it's impossible for everyone to stay in their houses, they'll die either way; thus I think if the distribution of covid-19 vaccines gets to India and is effective, it could control this abnormally to a large extent. This second or prolly third wave is pretty serious in India atm, I'm sure the government would be in negotiations with richer/powerful allies to get vaccines to India sooner rather than later.

Here's the image from your video:


Kinda blurry, but weirdly for this sort of video, the chart does seem accurate. Source here with clearer charts and links to data: https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/india

So the data are accurate. But is the conclusion accurate, that vaccination is causing the increase in cases? Well, no.

The reason the conclusion is flawed is because those two lines use different scales. Are cases increasing dramatically in India? Yes. Is vaccination increasing? Yes.
But vaccination is still at a very very low rate, and so is likely to have only a very small impact, and certainly not enough to prevent case numbers from surging. If the vaccination level were considerably higher, then we would expect case numbers to begin to fall - as indeed we see in the UK, where doses administered per 100 people is 75, compared with India's 11.


https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-vaccination-doses-per-capita


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edit: I should add that spurious correlations are everywhere. But we often need to dig deeper to determine whether or not there is a causal relationship...


https://tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations

Looking at the graphic of 'vaccinated' vs. 'covid deaths' in India which appears at about the 1min 30sec mark on this vid shows pretty clearly what is going on in that country:

  https://www.bitchute.com/video/PCi3Wco2AIw0/

Coming soon to a 'developing' (aka, 'indebted') country near you.  I don't have the time and energy to snap a graphic and all that, but the little bit I did seem indicates that the vid is worth the time.  Obviously there will never be a graphic like that which lasts very long on on the controlled media such as Joogle, FuckFuckBlow, etc.

India has had a very severe increase in covid 19 mortality...

Many of the poor in India I see on the news online are not getting proper care because there are no more hospital rooms. hope India can get through this crisis as soon as possible and the number of sufferers who recover can increase.

The fundamental issue is that rich countries are at the front of the queue for the vaccines. Poorer countries such as India are made to wait.
It is always the case that the poor suffer the most. Those countries that are least able to bankroll themselves through lockdowns are the same that have poor healthcare and the same that have very low quantities of the vaccine.

Yes. Urban areas have suffered tremendously, and now the problem is rolling out to rural areas, such as Bihar:

• one doctor per 43,788 people (the WHO guidelines advise one doctor per 1,000 people)
• hospitals sometimes hundreds of miles away
• 207 ventilators have been given to the state, they have been gathering dust because no-one is trained to operate them
• hospital staff were treating Covid patients as social outcasts and did not want to touch them, particularly as they were not being given adequate protective equipment
• medicines and vitamins recommended for Covid treatment have all run out

Poverty is the problem. Rich countries such as the US, the UK and Israel can buy themselves out of it. Countries such as India suffer.

Not sure if 3,980 death in a day is something extraordinary, since India has about 7 death per 1,000 annually. Let's say we use 2018 data (7.237), India's expected annual mortality rate is 0.724% * 1.366 billion = 9,885,742 or 27,084 daily.

That said, if my math is correct, you need to count the annual mortality rate well over 0.724% to make a strong covid case. Old people are going to die anyway, with or without covid. Even if they died with covid, it's difficult to prove if covid causes their death.

I have no idea about the contract for vaccine production but I guess they can't produce Vaccines for India because the orders are to be distributed somewhere else.

Almost 4K death in just a day makes the people panic.  They should be locking down every house in the country for viruses not to spread. It's what should be done as it's been ver y effective in my country.

Different countries are facing the peak of virus at different time period so don't be so ignorant even if you are living in a country where the Covid 19 is under complete control because India was one of the country who dealt the covid spread well in the first wave and they are completely normal couple of months earlier.

I read 1918 flu pandemic in India on wiki.
It says that one might wipe out 5% population of India at that time.

Not surprise the death toll of covid19 reachs 70 million which is 5% of current India population.

Tragic 2nd wave for India. Others are still thinking that there's no pandemic and the virus isn't for real while them having this bad experience which is waking up the world.
Just following the minimum protocol could help others too through wearing your own mask whenever you're in a crowd. I hope that this tragic incident will be stopped soon and they'll be able to recovery asap.

I am afraid that the population density and living conditions in India will make more difficult for her people to prevent this pandemic to scalate there...

Is even India taking economic measures like other countries do?
Like some stimulus money to keep people at their homes?

Horrible! The death toll in India is at a very high level due to the co-vid 19 epidemic. The Indian government has been powerless to control the epidemic here. The number of people infected with co-vid 19 increased. Medical equipment is severely lacking, and hospitals in India are being overloaded. We need to join hands to help the people of India.

The surge in convid-19 death in recent days is quite alarming which calls for the distribution and equipments of medical aids from international bodies.The country reported 412,262 new Covid-19 cases and 3,980 deaths on Thursday alone.

Several countries have sent medical supplies to India which includes oxygen cylinders and tankers to help curb the increase rate of convid-19 infection.

Some states and hospitals in the country have complained that they have received a portion of the foreign aid, while others are yet to receive anything. Inadequate supplies of medical equipments has really enhanced surge in death rate. A lot of person had lost their lives in the recent time which includes 11 Covid-19 patients who died on Wednesday night at a hospital in Chengalpet town in southern India after pressure in the oxygen line dropped suddenly likely due to a faulty valve, according to a Times of India report.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2021/05/06/india-reports-a-record-3980-covid-19-deaths-in-one-day-as-questions-are-raised-about-distribution-of-international-aid/?sh=23f0d6e40c55