Topic: Information on ATI 7xxx Series Dec. 5th! - page 4. (Read 15042 times)

I am sorry to say this, but now it is you who sounds like a 14-year old... with an inferiority complex.


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Can you predict btc prices too?
Nope.
6870 is 10% faster than 5850 (in games, as you started talking about games, for sha256 5850 ofc wins)
5770=6770 (same chip)
5770 slightly slower than/same as 4870
5770 is 40% slower than 6870
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/HIS/Radeon_HD_6870/images/perfrel_1920.gif
 
Let's wait and see. The price will be most important if reduced wattage is to be the main change over 5xxx

3 coins a day @ £2 each x7 = 63x4= £252 for 28 days mining. My electric bill is 100-110 a month. THats how i do my maths. Even 2 coins a day or a drop to £1.33($2.08 ill have you know) would give me £168 still leaving a profit. And i invest my BTC and work them so stick that in your pipe and smoke it!

your defo on my ignore list mate, Go into as many details as you like, ill go by hard figures i have in front of me Been good banter, i do love it

btw

slaveindebt - I cant read that, can you explain. Looks german or dutch

Back to the cards.

Fan noise for all your sleeping needs.
http://www.forum-3dcenter.org/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=9089776&postcount=2343

Still havent opened a math book and looked up divisions it seems.

At your stated electricity price of $0.25 (16 pence) per KwH, at your stated $2/BTC price, do the math and tell me how many MH/W you need to achieve break-even even with todays difficulty (which is lower than when you made that claim). Its not rocket science.  Hint: its over 3MH/W.

Your claim of earning 6x your electricity cost was hilariously false when you first made it, and your current claim is just as false today. No GPU based mining rig achieves 3MH/W. Definitely not your overvolted 69x0 cards.
Welcome to my ignore list.

Man, You might be the biggest troll i've ever know. I spoke to the electric company if you read this post and got my bill IN DETAIL OVER THE PHONE. Your quoting me when i was 'guesstimating' with OTT to cover my ass. Turns out it i was always in the + WITH OC'ing them all to 965/300 to get that 400m/hash with ease each. As i say, Even @ $2 i still made a small profit, Not 6x admittedly, but again, i was guesstimating as I DON’T DO THIS SOLELY FOR THE MONEY FOR THE LAST TIME LIKE YOUR SAD ASS! Jesus man. Do you listen or just spurt diarrhoea at me?

Do you realise i was only giving advice on OC'ing cause people were asking also back in them ANCIENT threads, and good advice on OC'ing at that, Better and more helpful than you do. You just like flaming people. But i LOVE banter so i'll just steam roll it back in your face. I've helped and been helped by people on here and even deathandtaxes is becoming interesting, just as long as he doesn’t keep his dik up your ass we'll be ok

I'm making at least 2x what i put in at $4 mate so i exaggerated 6x, but when i started it was 10-15$ ass wipe. I do multiply my bitcoins (your just too dumb to work it out cause your blind sighted or just dumb to the world cause of your trolling) and have just cashed a load in and going away for 2 month before years out. So yes, BTC's are working perfectly fine for me but if your suffering, That's your loss. Not that the cash IS THE POINT FOR ME, IT'S THE PRINCIPLE/IDEA! But i bet that goes over your head! are you 14 or something p4man!

Why am i even replying to this turd. It's gets me nowhere as he just wants to flame and not listen, Thats obvious. Is it me or is it him? I'm sure its him! He's a massive troll isn’t he and i aint seen ANY help to anyone from him! Does he even mine? p4man, I've accepted my few errors but i hate to inform you that they are minor and even less minor to me personally. IF BTC dies (somehow) im in it for principle/idea, so something new will come along with the same principles or even better. It's about removing the 1%er's for me and living my own life my own way out of the system. I got my own mind, How about you?

BTW

@ Holliday - I don't have evidence no, its my opinion. Is all. I'd like see evidence showing that it doesn’t make them money.... i know that alot of 5 series cards would still be around if it wasn't for mining. And 6 series at that. Old 4 series cards still play modern games and 5 & 6 series will run games for the next 3-5 years on max detail. Core2 Chips still run modern and all upcoming software FAST! Why would people upgrade unless they have more money then sense or an enthusiast? A 6870 can run almost all games on ultra, Thats a 5770 equivalent. BF3/Deus EX etc. Only game i found it wont is STALKER:COP with ADD-ONS such as SMRTER/AtmosFear etc as it rwuire 3GB video Ram with add-ons. So why upgrade to a 7 series when 5 & 6 are perfectly fine and 7 WILL have issues initially due to new design. 6 series should have been skipped completely, No need if you ask me. No real improvement over 5 series IMO and often wasnt as fast as the direct related 5 series. Sad.

If the 7970 is as fast as a 6990 thst would be nice for gamers who want to play....... STALKER COP..... haha Good thing with 7 series is die shrink of cause which should make it a nice upgrade for anyone with less than a 5 series. 5-6 series are fine imo. FOR GAMING THAT IS. Mining is 58xx/59xx/68xx/69xx and thats it. 7 will suck.

FPGA for the win anyways, It's obviously the future with lower power requirements, Less heat and lower cooling bills. I use 12" extraction which works but more VGA would require some tinkering.

7 series.... i recon it'll fail to impress, Even gamers if they have a high end 5-6 series, Power saving is the only reasonable thing going for it if you ask me. Personal opinion there again p4man. I caln have them you know, Own mind and all, try it sometime....

Thanks for the info.It looks like we'll still be using HD58xx,HD5970s and the top end HD69xx series cards then for a lot longer than I expect.Looks like the HD79xx and HD78xx won't be the most suitable cards for mining then.Guess I'll have to wait for FPGAs and more previous gen cards to be affordable then. If minings not the HD7xxx strongpoint then what do they work best with?

If it is using CGN then I think it still will suck. Reality right now is that 5870 and 5970 were the best mining cards ever created. All the rest suck for integer heavy operations like Bitcoin and bruteforcing stuff.

I just heard that that the HD7970 is close to the HD6990 in the benchmarks shown on this link:
http://www.fudzilla.com/graphics/item/25259-radeon-hd-7970-close-to-hd-6990

If this is anything to go by,then it may be very good for mining as well.

Overclocking this card would get this even closer to a HD6990 though.I hope this is repeatable for mining as well.

LOL, "Technicalities" as in  first grade math using numbers you supplied for electricity cost and hash rate?  But keep thinking your overvolted cards are somehow 10x more profitable than anyone else's despite you having twice the electricity cost.

Here is a hint: your electricity supplier probably uses moving averages, so you havent paid all your electricity cost yet. But do keep at it, you'll get rich.

For those curious, here is a quote:


As it turns out, your own stated BTC revenue didnt even cover half your stated electricity cost.  But Im the idiot that did learn math. Of course they never taught me your miracle solution :


I should put that in my sig. Its golden.

following this madness

The money spent on mining rigs would just be put into FPGA boards. Yes, twice the price+ but the power savings are IMMENSE! Plus more people design/buy FPGA which WILL happen if the 7800/7700's are screwed up. THen becoming more viable to the average joe who's interested and AMD lose whats basically holding them up above NVIDIA. AMD (or NVIDIA) need to design a dedicated mining card. There missing a trick the size of jupiter by not doing.

p,s, AMD/ATI please, Don't want no bumpgate cheapo nasty oven cookers thank you (personal opinion)

Too early to say and the data from various sites conflicts each other.

We do know AMD has broken the 7000 series into three "groups"
7900 series (7950, 7970, and dual GPU 7990) - This is definately a new architecture (CGN) which doesn't look very SHA friendly.
7700/7800 series  -  THE BIG UNKNOWN.
7600 series - OEM junk low end crap.  This will be die shrink of 6000 series cards.  In theory would have good efficiency but each card is so low powered that likely not very useful.

Some sites say the 7700/7800 series cards will be old architecture.  If they are, then on paper the 7850 looks like a monster hashing cards.  However some newer articles indicate the entire 7700/7800 series will be CGN.  If that is true then likely it will be bad hashing performance.

All depends on who you believe however the future doesn't look bright.

Wait.. so what's the verdict?  Does the 7-series suck for hashing or not?

Yes, I've had his shit when i was only trying help and advice people on OC'ing and what not. Kept telling me i'm a moron. Well who's the moron making money and going on a 2 month vacation now! He is a loser. Deathand taxes at least comes up with some good suggestions. I got 1 thing wrong (i said 5990 not 5970 but i believe its been rebranded or different AIB's using 5990). So i was right i believe on that as well.

I offer my insight and opinion and am willing be corrected and ask questions, not just jump on someone cause your opinion id different. All my stuff comes FROM REAL WORLD KNOWLEDGE, i wonder about p4man myself..... Get the men in white!

Interesting point on the MM^2, It would make it something like 60% less efficient or something if what you say rings true. This would be on par with Nvidia's cards more or less as predicted.

Time will tell i suppose, Not long now

Interesting thing is that the chart is PER MM^2.  There is a die shrink thus each transistor is half as large.  With no architectural changes one would expect SHA256 performance to be (roughly) 2x simply due to the die shrink.  Right?  Isn't the chart indicating (once you factor out the die shrink) that the 7970 architecture is worse @ SHA-256 than a 6970?  (i.e. if the 7970 was manufactured @ 40nm instead of 28nm it would be worse or if the 6970 was manufactured @ 28nm it would be better).

Now if only the SHA bar was the AES one.  It shows what a little optimization can do (performance gain is far beyond what die shrink alone would achieve).  It makes sense AMD would optimize AES performance.  AES is more likely used by everyday users than SHA.  Winzip for example announced new version which is OpenCL accelerated to allow strong encryption/decryption of files much faster than CPU based versions.   I would expect other archive utilities (7zip hopefully) to follow suit.

p4man and deathandtaxes are my favourite people around here don't you know! Sorry i don't know p4man to your superior knowledge... (SARCASM) I have a life too.

And yes, I'm mining fine at a profit and i've had my bill. Even at a lowly $2 i was still in the + so that pisses on yours and deathandtaxes bombfire with all your technicalities. I've just cashed 200 BTC in for £460 with the crimbo NY rush. I expect it go up to the end of the week and then drop to its 2.5 - 3 $ where it stands. Thats until spring season with holidays when it goes up, and next Halloween time and then November the BTC goes down to 25 BTC per block which will cause a bit of madness but Christmas an NY will be bonkers next year

Stick that in your pipe and eat it and i bet i'm right, I know cause i look at it from an outside view. NOT FOR PROFIT as you 2 do. As i've said a million times, I'm off on vacation for 2 months, blab to you later

So what is that chart showing? Utilization or (power?) efficiency?
Either way, doesnt look like a huge improvement for bitcoin. But indeed, nice that they show it.


Lol? Weren't you mining at a few GH/s? SHA256 is the hash algorithm used by bitcoin:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHA-2

SHA256... bit dumb question but whats that? Raw calculating power? And if so, are there PR people saying its better than a 6970 for mining? Be surprising as the 5870 was already better than the 6970 so it would be a step foreward..... again..... lol

PR slides like that mean diddly squat, but still interesting what PR companies come up with. '3 times durable', 'OC Genie' etc etc. What happened to good old jumpers and fiddling

Curious 5870 vs 6970 vs 7970 compare, clock for clock and watt for watt ?